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sebmojo posted:PRNZ propose PROJECT FALX, a crash course to upgrade our space combat readiness. This should have a goal of achieving a practical (taking into account current or readily achievable technology) but effective space fighting force, under the jurisdiction of XCOM, within two years, comprising at least ten craft capable of engaging and defeating a similar size force of the crashed Grey ships. This is exactly what BLUE WARHOUND was designed for. We need to raise the readiness levels of all available ship crews and have them trained before we enter any meaningful combat. In essence, BLUE WARHOUND is to act as a compliment to FALX and should be considered secondary to FALX’s priority in terms of training (ie. BLUE WARHOUND should, ideally, be taught as the last course of general training or offered as an Advanced Officer’s Training Course for those headhunted/slated for command positions aboard flagships). The Delmarva Commonality seconds Project FALX and once again proposes Protocol VH-2387-BLUE-WARHOUND in conjunction with FALX, though is willing to table BLUE WARHOUND should it be deemed appropriate.
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We need to make a public announcement about this as soon as possible, to minimize media speculation. An emergency session is not something that goes unnoticed.
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Fletcher somehow looks even more tired than usual; the scene behind him is the set of a minor Berlin news network's main stage, commandeered in haste. Comrades, please. This is all also based on assumptions of hostility we do not have in the immediate. Which is to say we are not actively under fire from ray guns. We DO, however, have a very immediate humanitarian crisis on our hands. While whichever Martians may have abducted these people may have been immediately hostile, it also seems possible they are no longer involved--or maybe even know the facility is still there. The presence of a "zeppelin" is troubling but if people in cryostasis have been waking up and moving about a secure facility for a year, well... I would have expected a response. At least a technician! And this is all hypothetical. Starvation is NOT hypothetical. Shipping repeated food supplies for hundreds if not thousands of people out to Mars would be a colossal endeavor, far more than it was for Lunagrad, due to the economy of distance. It would be far more effective and efficient to bring them back home, especially as our comrades in the Lunar Republic are perfectly placed to act as temporary hosting. More to the point, we MUST bring them back home. These souls did not volunteer to go to space; they have made no choice to embark on the frontier. They were taken from Earth against their will (though it may well have saved their lives) and have every right to return back, even if the planet is no longer as they remember. To keep them on Mars any longer than strictly necessary would be highly unjust, especially as we have the means to bring them back! A phone rings somewhere off camera--Fletcher looks over in that direction as someone answers it and a single word is spoken: Hanover. Fletcher's face tightens, but he turns back to the camera. There has been informal discussion of establishing temporary housing on the Moon for the Martian abductees; I would like to make it formal. The DVR proposes that an expedition be immediately mounted to retrieve the awakened abductees from Mars and bring them, if not home, then closer to it. Immediate housing would be established under the jurisdiction of Luna, and the priority would be to ensure that the abductees are safe, healthy, not at any risk or threat (though I think it unlikely), and then be brought up to speed enough to be allowed to return to Earth where and how they choose. Additionally, the DVR would like to request that the Barsoom outpost immediately establish a small monitoring team at the Face facility. Not necessarily permanent, perhaps in shifts, but this would serve two purposes. One would be to observe in case said Martians return to finally check up on the facility; the other would be to monitor the remaining sleeper tubes in case further parts of the population "wake up" before we can arrange a full-scale X-COM expedition. Finally, speaking of said larger population... Mister Bates posted:The Hawaiians contribute one ship to the Luna-Earth passenger route to keep the link operational in the absence of the Tranquility; the other is laid up in drydock being modified to use banks of Vasilyev tubes, for long range transport. How is this proceeding? As this information is going public at some point or another anyway, I think contacting the Hawaiians about using one of their Queens for this would be extremely prudent.
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I'd like to propose the Face of Mars Act. The basic aim of the FMA is to ensure that the rescue, debriefing, caretaking, and exploration process are kept under civilian jurisdiction and be focused on scientific study and humanitarian aid. There are incredible implications behind the abductions, the working cryogenic technology, the apparent proof of past and current extraterrestrial interference in human life.. but the heart of the matter is there are a lot of stranded human beings down there that have up to 70 years of lost time and are going through an unprecedented and likely traumatic experience. This is a humanitarian crisis first and foremost. We need food, shelter, doctors. Translators as well, we don't know how many people are there and what backgrounds they have. Engineers and scientists to study the cryo process so we can avoid any accidental harm from this unknown technology. People who can answer the abductee's questions on what the hell happened to them and what's happened back on Earth while they've been gone. Mental health services to help these people to cope with what they're going through, and with the loss of everyone and everything they knew. And we need to eventually let the population back home know. I'm not saying we must share literally every detail, but this is too important to the fate of our entire species to keep hidden. There will of course still be need for security services. The mention of this 'zeppelin' is worrying in the extreme. But the last thing we should be focusing on right now is a military coverup. Get down there, help them out, find out what happened to them, and figure out what we're going to tell the rest of humanity once we know more.
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While I'm here, the UAWR would like to propose the Comintern Digital Communications Forum. This act would found a space for up to the minute public communications between comintern members using newly-available digital technologies, perfectly suited for situations such as this. (That is to say, create a discord channel for the LP.)
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NewMars posted:While I'm here, the UAWR would like to propose the Comintern Digital Communications Forum. This act would found a space for up to the minute public communications between comintern members using newly-available digital technologies, perfectly suited for situations such as this. (That is to say, create a discord channel for the LP.) Seconding this proposal!
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NewMars posted:While I'm here, the UAWR would like to propose the Comintern Digital Communications Forum. This act would found a space for up to the minute public communications between comintern members using newly-available digital technologies, perfectly suited for situations such as this. (That is to say, create a discord channel for the LP.) Thirding. The Protectorate of the Outer Banks also supports bringing our people home. How fast can we get the Hawaiians there?
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zanni posted:I'd like to propose the Face of Mars Act. The basic aim of the FMA is to ensure that the rescue, debriefing, caretaking, and exploration process are kept under civilian jurisdiction and be focused on scientific study and humanitarian aid. Seconded Right now we aren't under a bigger threat than before. We know that extraterrestrial life is out there. We know multiple factions to exist and engage in conflict. We have some kind of idea about the level of technology they possessed several decades ago. Studying the installation on Mars, rescuing the abductees and trying to integrate them back into modern society should be our immediate concern. We should make efforts into preparing the technological means of defending ourselfs, but right now the immediate humanitarian and political problems back on earth have a priority over engaging in an double-blind armsrace with an enemy we know basically nothing about.
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Our analysts theorize these "Zeppelins" are some sort of autonomous drones, likely a surveillance system, probably resembling the object from the Barsoom footage (a specimen blown off course by the dust storm most likely). They appear slow-moving and not immediately hostile if the abductees tried to get their attention and weren't shot on sight. All the same, we recommend sending some security forces to accompany any extraction teams, at least capable of hitting big slow targets. As for what to do with the abductees, we need them out of there. Separate from any humanitarian concerns, they've been living for a year among alien ruins, and even without formal xenoarchaeological training, their insights will be invaluable and could hugely advance the field. Get them to at least the Barsoom outpost, preferably Luna, and start interviewing like mad. Might also be prudent to grab one of the empty stasis tubes while we're at it, try and figure out how to interface with it and safely defrost the others when we get the chance. Asterite34 fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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Redeye Flight posted:Fletcher somehow looks even more tired than usual; the scene behind him is the set of a minor Berlin news network's main stage, commandeered in haste. Seconded
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The Kalmar Union agrees with the Face of Mars Act, for the following reasons. 1) The Earth they were taken from has changed greatly while they were gone. If we take them straight to Earth they'll face dead loved ones, likely their entire family dead in the various wars and disasters, the devastation of multiple World Wars, the likelihood of their country of origin no longer existing as they remember it, and the significant changes from even just a few years of TNE-driven upgrades to buildings and technologies. Better they get brought up to speed in a controlled environment by specialists while support staff search out any possible family they have left. 2) They have spent a year in an alien facility on Mars, we cannot discount the chance of martian/alien bugs or diseases, nor the possibility that something was deliberately done to them as part of the abduction process. It would be foolhardy in the extreme to send them somewhere with a significant human population before they've undergone extensive medical screening. 3) We'll have to build a facility near the alien ruins sooner or later, why not build one now and then in three+ years when we're ready to begin xenoarchaeological studies and we've hopefully extracted all humans from the alien facility we can repurpose the rescue base into a research base? As an addendum to these plans, I would like to formalize Operation Lifeline, whereby Electron and Proton are ordered to remain in stationary orbit to maintain a communication link to the abductees, and just in case something unforeseen happens that incurs a delay in whatever plan we go with, make a plan to gather up all the supplies they can spare, land outside the alien ruins and carry them by foot to resupply the abductees. They would have to remain fully suited up during this operation and afterwards, when they launch back into orbit and do a hard burn back to Earth for resupply and quarantine procedures.
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Barsoom is on the wrong side of the planet and can do approximately nothing to help the people trapped in the Face, how exactly is the Barsoom outpost supposed to monitor the Face? They can't just take a rover out to the nearest highway on-ramp and drive over, there's thousands and thousands of kilometers of unsurveyed broken terrain in the way, maybe in 50 years it'll be possible to easily travel across the surface of Mars but right now Barsoom and the Face might as well be on two different planets for all that they can interact with each other. At the moment it's easier to get from Earth to the Face via spaceship than to get from Barsoom to the Face via ground travel. But we also can't leave the Face unattended, even if we evac'd everyone awake right now there are still untold thousands of humans on ice in alien cryotubes that are waking up apparently at random, we need people on-site 24/7 not just to study the ruins but also to help any newly awakened prisoners. Since Barsoom is too far away to meaningfully contribute, we need a permanent base near the Face, and that permanent base we need to build regardless is a far better debriefing and quarantine location than a bustling city of a million people with a wildly different culture from everything the prisoners are used to. Immediately evac'ing to Luna might be emotionally resonant but it's a terrible idea from a scientific and logistical perspective, they'd just have to be held de facto prisoner in quarantine on Luna for months as the nerds go over them to make sure they aren't full of crazy Space Diseases or alien rectal probes or whatever. They need to be quarantined and debriefed over a few months, we can't just turn them loose in the general population next week, better to do that somewhere isolated and purpose-built. I think people are severely underestimating the psychological shock these guys are going to suffer as we bring them up to speed on the state of the world, they need to be in a controlled environment under expert medical and psychiatric care, for everyone's safety. And these are people from just a few decades ago who at least understand the concepts of industrial civilization and modern(ish) political/economic structures. What the gently caress are we supposed to do if the next people that wake up are a cohort of kidnapped Roman Legionaries or something? Sure as hell can't take them to Luna and just hope they figure it out. As such, I propose that the COMINTERN establish a permanent outpost within easy travel distance of the Face, initially geared towards humanitarian relief and debriefing for the currently awake prisoners, and a long-term mission of studying the ruins and waking/debriefing the prisoners that remain on ice. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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Crazycryodude posted:As such, I propose that the COMINTERN establish a permanent outpost within easy travel distance of the Face, initially geared towards humanitarian relief and debriefing for the currently awake prisoners, and a long-term mission of studying the ruins and waking/debriefing the prisoners that remain on ice. Seconded, at the moment our technology more easily allows transporting inert supplies vast distances than large numbers of people, it would be faster and more economical to just put up some prefab housing infrastructure (possibly diverted from developing Lunagrad, sorry Lunar Soviet Republic but this is an emergency) and give them a temporary home away from home while we help them get to grips with things. It's not like Earth at this point would be much LESS alien to what they're familiar with. Plus we're gonna need a forward base to more easily monitor goings-on at the Face anyway, and somewhere to act as a research base in future. Kinda leaves Barsoom out in the cold, but gently caress it, we put it on the opposite side of Mars for a reason, they can focus on planetary science. Also in keeping with the Edgar Rice Burroughs theme, I propose this base be named Camp Helium
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zanni posted:I'd like to propose the Face of Mars Act. I second this proposal. While there are definite concerns about potential military conflict in the coming years, right now we have thousands of people who will find themselves out of place and out of time. This is an unprecedented humanitarian disaster and we need immediate action to secure and help every single person who's found themselves taken to the facility on Mars. Crazycryodude posted:As such, I propose that the COMINTERN establish a permanent outpost within easy travel distance of the Face, initially geared towards humanitarian relief and debriefing for the currently awake prisoners, and a long-term mission of studying the ruins and waking/debriefing the prisoners that remain on ice. I second this as well, and believe implementing the two proposals as a single initiative together would be highly complimentary. Kitfox88 fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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The NOMAD Collective applauds the rescue intiatives on Mars and fully support them, as well as keeping the projects on civilian hands for peaceful purposes. The idea of abductions is troubling but we must treat the individual aliens as fellow sentinents with the potentional to overthrow whatever forces commanded the study of our planet, specially that they are now probably stranded. We must also consider that these "zepellins" could be our own ships and the Cyclops technicians are confused regarding their origins But on the rescue mission, the NOMAD collective proposes the EarthWorld Park a large island on earth were we can set up villages that mimic the historical aesthetics of the cryogen-preserved humans on Mars. The purpose is not deceiving them but creating a soothing enviroment for proper debriefing, avoiding the shock of seeing decades or even centuries of human development at once. These "worlds" would be staffed by our best psychologists and historians to ease the transition process of these people into our modern world. Once the process is complete, these villages could be used for educational purposes for all the Commintern
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The People's Republic of California commends our comrades focusing on the humanitarian issue. Defense may be a concern soon, but is not required at the emergency session. While in full support of the Face of Mars Act and the creation of Camp Helium, I must emphasize the importance of providing food as quickly as possible. They can make their current food sources stretch, but they are likely nutritionally deficient and unpleasant to eat. By providing a supply of fresh food we will not just better ensure their health while we wait on permanent solutions, but ensure they feel receptive to us which will aid in all further work. Also, that joke about eventually needing to crack sleeping tubes is disquieting and makes me worry about just what their alternative food source might be.
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idhrendur posted:The People's Republic of California commends our comrades focusing on the humanitarian issue. Defense may be a concern soon, but is not required at the emergency session. A will to survive enables many unpleasantries, but yes let’s not let it reach that stage.
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Kitfox88 posted:A will to survive enables many unpleasantries, but yes let’s not let it reach that stage. I'm hopeful it was just gallows humor, but nevertheless it indicates their frame of mind.
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Fellow members have reached us with sensible concerns. The purpose of EathWorld Park is not to be a zoo or to deceive the abductees but to create a safe place for debriefing. The wake up on a place they are familiar with and they are informed that X time happened and the world has changed; then they are eased into the modern world. While I believe most people on the Cyclops will understand skipping some decades, there are thousands of people in cryo stasis of unknown geographical and temporal origin. We must also consider that these Worlds might provide a working place and living arrangements for those Wakers that find it too difficult to live in modern cities. They can live there as experts, teachers, antropologists and historians or in any job they like. If you have any suggestions, we are all ears
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Creating an environment that would ease the transition for abductees to modern life is important, of course, but I doubt our ability to make it work in this specific form. Even our best-intentioned and expert-advised attempts at recreating a facsimile of past societies is going to be filtered through however many centuries of academic guesswork, biases, and incomplete/misunderstood archaeological evidence. I doubt we could do anything more than build theme parks that look cool to modern eyes but would be incredibly disorienting and creepy to live in for someone actually from that time period. Personally at least, I know that if I got abducted by aliens and teleported centuries/millennia into the future I really wouldn't trust the weird Walt Disney Presents: Our Modern And Very Incorrect Caricature Of Your Time Period zoo my "rescuers" stuffed me in
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Bear in mind that while potentially anything could be up there, our current sample size consists solely of the Cyclops an an unidentified German sub, presumably from a similar timeframe. We have no way of anticipating what anachronistic setting would be most reassuring to whatever group of Hoplites or Conquistadores or what have you happens to pop out of the cryotubes. We will look a bit silly if it turns out all the captives are Bermuda Triangle disappearances like Flight 19 or the Carroll A. Deering and the Cyclops crew are actually the earliest abductees and we already went to the effort of re-building Roanoke for them. We can hypothesize the Cydonia ruins have been there for millennia, but the earliest we can firmly date them without going down there is 1918, after all.
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The UAWR is against the earthworld park idea for several reasons. Not only do we not have a chance in hell of making a reasonable environment for such an endeavour, we also oppose the idea of trying to do so: it'll just delay and worsen the transition, not aid it, and incline them against us to boot, people hate being lied to! Third, we're against it because what island do you think would be used for something like that? Probably one in the pacific, belonging to us or one of our neighbours.
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idhrendur posted:The People's Republic of California commends our comrades focusing on the humanitarian issue. Defense may be a concern soon, but is not required at the emergency session. Hence my suggestion of Operation Lifeline, should they be in danger of running out of food. I don't know how much food and water Electron and Proton can spare, but it should buy us a little extra time at least.
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I would support a combination of the Camp Helium and FMA proposals into one if Cryodude also supports that idea. I felt the debrief camp would make a good starting point for a xenoarcheological base in the future as it was already, formalizing that approach seems apt. We also definitely should not fast track a return to Earth for the abductees, there are much too many variables and possible dangers. This whole process should be taken at a deliberate pace and given the proper care necessary to avoid any disasters, and to make the transition for the abductees as easy as possible. I am also in full support of Operation Lifeline. I do not think the Earthworld Park proposal is a good approach, however. I share the same concerns as the other delegates in how we would achieve it's goals and what good would come of it. We can't send these people back to their time, we need to adapt them to the current reality so they can eventually rejoin human society. Making a flawed fantasy of their past goes against this process.
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After copius debating with our fellow delegates, the NOMADs retire the EarthWorld bill and instead present the more sensible Humane Reacclimatation and Transition Bureau Bill, which will create an organization, in principle under XCOM, composed of psychologists, doctors and other needed professionals, tasked with reintroducing the cryogenically sleeping population to our modern world in a humane way after they are rescued from the Mars facility. This Bureau's mandate is for the Mars "Wakers" but could be potentially expanded if other similar facilities exist in the Solar System or in the potential (although unlikely) scenario that some of these Grey/Martian aliens decide to Pacho fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Pacho posted:After copius debating with our fellow delegates, the NOMADs retire the EarthWorld bill and instead present the more sensible Humane Reacclimatation and Transition Bureau Bill, which will create an organization, in principle under XCOM, composed of psychologists, doctors and other needed professionals, tasked with reintroducing the cryogenically sleeping population to our modern world in a humane way after they are rescued from the Mars facility. This Bureau's mandate is for the Mars "Wakers" but could be potentially expanded if other similar facilities exist in the Solar System or in the potential (although unlikely) scenario that some of these Grey/Martian aliens decide to I would support the HRTB initiative. Having an agency ready to welcome the abductees to Earth and to help them get resettled into their new lives once we have moved forward on the Mars situation is an excellent idea.
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Logistics! - Proton-B/Electron-B have design deployment times of 3 years with a crew of 12/10. So 432 person-months of food for Proton-B and 360 for Electron-B - Proton-B/Electron-B one-way trip time is less than a week - Luna and Tranquility are 2-3 weeks each way - Luna is designed as cargo+crew only - Tranquility is designed to move 250 passengers - Luna & Tranquility both have shuttlebays for surface access - Hawaiian ships are probably unsuitable since they are fluffed as not being peoplefreezers (maybe? how did we move colonists to mars?) - We've got 337 people with 2 months of food at most to move Plan: - Land the Proton-B, have the crew take a look around, and unload most of its food/supplies. That should buy us an extra backup month of full meals - Proton-B heads back to Earth to resupply, then loops back. Electron-B stays in orbit to keep talking and be friendly - Luna heads over with more supplies and stuff to start supporting an outpost/supply dump, then remains in orbit - Tranquility fetches the awake people back to Earth in two trips. It's 2-3 months total, but supplies should be fine by that point and there'll be lots of nearby activity so people don't feel abandoned - Shuttles off of Luna ferry people between Barsoom and the site as needed for initial exploration. (Don't move the sailors to Barstoom) - Don't mess with the peopletubes immediately since we don't know how they work
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Foxfire_ posted:Logistics! I think canonically we only have 250 people (One Tranquility's worth) in Barsoom as a science outpost, like what the Moon was supposed to have until its population exploded. quote:Plan: Seconded as a possible addendum to Operation Life Line, Proton-B has largely finished its mission of thermal imaging the site, it doesn't need to sit there for years using up all its food. It'll be a nice test of that near-jury-rigged landing apparatus the engineers are so proud of to drop off a grocery run so those poor buggers ground-side don't have to subsist on Martian Mummy Jerky anymore. quote:- Tranquility fetches the awake people back to Earth in two trips. It's 2-3 months total, but supplies should be fine by that point and there'll be lots of nearby activity so people don't feel abandoned THIS however I object to in the short term, they need to be quarantined away from larger human populations for a while and examined to make sure they don't have a chestburster infection or something (does the movie Alien exist in this continuity? Given the state of modern tech, while still science fiction, it must feel about as fantastical as, say Jaws to space colonists)
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Asterite34 posted:THIS however I object to in the short term, they need to be quarantined away from larger human populations for a while and examined to make sure they don't have a chestburster infection or something
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Nice, good to see Operation Lifeline is both plausible and would give us significant breathing room in regards to supplies if necessary. I would however remind folks if we did this the crew would have to undergo quarantine for much the same reason we want to quarantine the abductees. If they could stay sealed in their spacesuits the entire journey home it would be better, but if the trip's a week then that's asking a bit much. I guess mechanically we could represent it as Proton-B being unavailable for a month after returning to spacedock? Foxfire_ posted:Agree on quarantine/debrief, but where should we put them? I guess they're a minimum of a month back to earth, which is long enough to run off a unit of infrastructure if we want to set up an isolation ward on the Moon. Luna would have to stay back awhile to move that though. Or we have Earth-side people set up facilities on some island in that month. The suggestion I favor is that infrastructure be brought from Earth to represent setting up a facility near the alien ruins. This facility will handle quarantine, medical checkups, debriefings and bringing the abductees up to speed, however long that takes. Once that's done the facility will be converted to a xenoarchaeological base when that team's been set up. Antilles fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Foxfire_ posted:Agree on quarantine/debrief, but where should we put them? I guess they're a minimum of a month back to earth, which is long enough to run off a unit of infrastructure if we want to set up an isolation ward on the Moon. Luna would have to stay back awhile to move that though. Or we have Earth-side people set up facilities on some island in that month. Mars? They're already there and it's very far away from any population centers. Send over a freighter load or two of Infrastructure and we've got ourselves a base that can support thousands of people, the logistics aren't hard if you want to just set up a small outpost instead of a city of millions.
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Since clearly any Comintern citizen, soldier or politician could potentially be kidnapped by aliens at any moment, as we've now learned, and be subjected to mysterious iniquities and incomprehensible tortures, I submit that all citizens be implanted with a cyanide tooth that they may destroy themselves at will to spite the alien invaders.
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Foxfire_ posted:Agree on quarantine/debrief, but where should we put them? As the FMA and Camp Helium proposals have stated, the best course of action seems to be to set up a scientific and humanitarian aid facility near the Face of Mars site, which will eventually transition into the main xenoarcheological hub once we have debriefed and examined the abductees and cleared them for return to Earth. That's the going consensus at least, near as I can tell.
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Crazycryodude posted:Mars? They're already there and it's very far away from any population centers. Send over a freighter load or two of Infrastructure and we've got ourselves a base that can support thousands of people, the logistics aren't hard if you want to just set up a small outpost instead of a city of millions.
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As long as they stay in their spacesuits for the couple hours they're exposed to the Martian surface and the abductees they'll probably be fine with a couple-week quarantine once they get back to Earth? Good enough for the Apollo missions. We're more worried about the guys who've been living for a year breathing and eating and stuff in a derelict alien habitat.
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Asterite34 posted:As long as they stay in their spacesuits for the couple hours they're exposed to the Martian surface and the abductees they'll probably be fine with a couple-week quarantine once they get back to Earth? Good enough for the Apollo missions. We're more worried about the guys who've been living for a year breathing and eating and stuff in a derelict alien habitat. Pretty sure our sensor-station-with-engines-strapped-on do not, themselves, have sufficient facilities to ensure 100% sterilization when the crew embarks on it again after delivering the food. And if it ever was a time to not gently caress Around And Find Out, this seems it. Besides, are they urgently needed elsewhere for that month?
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Taxi service, maybe? If the new base wants some personnel-scale equipment or we want to get a new specialist on site, a Proton can do that loop in a weekish instead of months. The crew also doesn't really need to disembark earthside, they're only a couple of days into mission and would only be coming back at all to restock rations.
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Foxfire_ posted:Taxi service, maybe? If the new base wants some personnel-scale equipment or we want to get a new specialist on site, a Proton can do that loop in a weekish instead of months. The crew also doesn't really need to disembark earthside, they're only a couple of days into mission and would only be coming back at all to restock rations. Wait, do resupply and such happen planetside? I figured one of the space stations handled all that?
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Game mechanically they happen unspecifiedly (they really only consider R&R, not food). But by 'earthside' I just meant the Earth-Luna end vs the Mars end of their trip, not on the ground on Earth. The Proton can roll up to either one of the space stations or land on Luna, someone drops off boxes of SpaceSnacks, then the Proton+crew takes off again and the person who dropped off the stuff goes into decontamination. (Mechanically, food doesn't make sense in Aurora. Even dehydrated, food for one person for a year is about a quarter ton) Foxfire_ fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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