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ARMBAR A COP posted:When was the Ciclope unmasking? Malenko as Ciclope was Slamboree 1998.
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Tony also seems to genuinely love modern wrestling as much as the old stuff, so that makes his work ring as an actual enthusiast who commentates. That also contrasts with modern JR who, at times, audibly sounds like he’d rather be anywhere else in the world.
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This made me think. Did WWE have to pay for the use of those T-Shirts? Did they have to pay for having John Tenta carry a Cartman doll to/in the ring? (especially as it was mentioned and an important part of the gimmick) Did Raven/WCW have to pay Suicidal Tendancies and the other 'edgy' bands that he wore T-Shirts of? Coz I know Disney will sue the arse hairs off of you if you show their stuff/logos without paying. So I am wondering if other licensees are as litigious. Because on TV I know I have seen instances where corporate logos blacked out with tape, or blurred post production.
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BrigadierSensible posted:This made me think. You can wear and use that stuff in shows, but some shows don't want to risk possible litigation (however remote) and blur or don't want to promote something on their TV and blur. The WWF stuff with Cartman probably gets closer to the line if you are constantly referencing it but wearing a band shirt is not going to get you sued unless you do something to make it seem like the band is promoting something they don't want to be associated with.
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I have a 71 year old father in law who I have gotten into professional wrestling the last few years. Hes mostly watched WWE content since it's easier to access without cable television. I had him watch some AEW and he really enjoys it. He also reads a lot. Would the Young Bucks book be a good gift? Hes pretty conservative but does watch R movies. I dont want him to read any stories that could turn him off of AEW since they are such big parts. I'm not sure what it would take to offend him I'm just worried it could. I mean he watches SmackDown every Friday and has only recently said it's bad so it takes a lot.
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Part of the Tony story in WCW is that he felt passed over in favour of Bischoff for the job as Executive Producer after Bill Watts left. Jim Ross was also gunning for that job, and Bischoff getting it was what made JR leave for WWF.
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Blankspot posted:I have a 71 year old father in law who I have gotten into professional wrestling the last few years. Hes mostly watched WWE content since it's easier to access without cable television. My understanding is that the Young Bucks come across in their book as Good Christian Boys, and there isn't much objectionable behaviour, but I'll let someone who has read it confirm.
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Sometimes I feel the urge to apologize to Tony on Twitter for thinking he was a crappy announcer for the last 20 years until AEW. Actually it started with Tony tweeting 'It (The Yeti) was a dumb gimmick so I made a dumb call'
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Blankspot posted:I have a 71 year old father in law who I have gotten into professional wrestling the last few years. Hes mostly watched WWE content since it's easier to access without cable television. The Young Bucks are conservative Christians with a strong sense of personal and religious ethics but basically accepting of other people's differences, there's nothing in the book that's likely to offend.
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MassRafTer posted:You can wear and use that stuff in shows, but some shows don't want to risk possible litigation (however remote) and blur or don't want to promote something on their TV and blur. The WWF stuff with Cartman probably gets closer to the line if you are constantly referencing it but wearing a band shirt is not going to get you sued unless you do something to make it seem like the band is promoting something they don't want to be associated with.
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who's the most successful/most-loved shooter/MMA fighter who pivoted into pro-wrestling? I don't count people like Minoru Suzuki or Katsuyori Shibata, who are more wrestlers than shoot fighters.
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Thanks guys on the Young Bucks book info. I think he will enjoy it. I also thought the Christian AF thing was just a funny BTE skit. My wife caught an episode and was dying laughing over it. She is a Christian who also happens to have the initials AF. She had me buy the shirt for her. Blankspot fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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Dec 19, 2020 17:37
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Schneider Heim posted:who's the most successful/most-loved shooter/MMA fighter who pivoted into pro-wrestling? I don't count people like Minoru Suzuki or Katsuyori Shibata, who are more wrestlers than shoot fighters. bob sapp and dan severn both deserve a decent shout also.
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Blankspot posted:Thanks guys on the Young Bucks book info. I think he will enjoy it. i havent read their book but from their promotional interviews it sounded more like they were in a cult as kids, talking about 6 hour church services and poo poo. but now they dont attend at all so
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Schneider Heim posted:who's the most successful/most-loved shooter/MMA fighter who pivoted into pro-wrestling? I don't count people like Minoru Suzuki or Katsuyori Shibata, who are more wrestlers than shoot fighters. I dunno. If we're not including Suzuki who started in pro wrestling & went on to found Pancrase with Masakatsu Funaki after leaving Pro Wrestling Fujiwara Gumi then you surely can't count Ken Shamrock, who also started in pro wrestling, and had a spell in Newborn UWF & then PWFG before appearing on the first Pancrase show. And there's also guys like Yoshihiro Takayama & Kazuyuki Fujita who started in UWF-I & New Japan respectively. The next obvious name to me would be Kazushi Sakuraba, who started in wrestling (UWFI-I & then following Takada to Kingdom), became the biggest MMA star in what was at that point the biggest MMA promotion in the world, then went back to wrestling. But of course he was never as big in wrestling. The GHC Tag Titles he won this year was the first wrestling title he's held. Strictly looking at guys who didn't have a start in pro-wrestling I'd say the first name that comes to mind is Don Frye, going from one of the biggest stars in the early UFC to joining New Japan & quickly establishing himself as a top heel act there. But the answer is probably Ronda Rousey.
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Schneider Heim posted:who's the most successful/most-loved shooter/MMA fighter who pivoted into pro-wrestling? I don't count people like Minoru Suzuki or Katsuyori Shibata, who are more wrestlers than shoot fighters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAdWcfpM_Y
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Looks like you all forgot about Tank Abbott https://youtu.be/6tsAW8jGukY
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FakePoet posted:Uranage: how do you (personally, and definitionally) pronounce this, what are its origins, and why is the one Jay White does so much better than all the others? Is anyone else even close? hiroshi hase's is the original (in pro wrestling) and best. the version where it's just a slam like bray wyatt and akitoshi saito and others do is a different move and only called a uranage by english speaking announcers. japanese announcers call it an ura otoshi
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shamrock and sakuraba were both pro wrestlers before they were mma guys edit betean
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Spermgod posted:shamrock and sakuraba were both pro wrestlers before they were mma guys Sure but the op didn't say that they had to have done mma first, only that they were more shoot guys than pro wrestlers and personally i would say that shamrock and sakuraba made their names primarily in mma.
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Spermgod posted:hiroshi hase's is the original (in pro wrestling) and best. the version where it's just a slam like bray wyatt and akitoshi saito and others do is a different move and only called a uranage by english speaking announcers. japanese announcers call it an ura otoshi Omega has used a Uranage now and again, I remember it in the G1 match where he accidentally concussed EVIL
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Yeah what I meant was "is more well-known as an MMA fighter than a pro wrestler" in spirit, I looked up Sakuraba's career and guy did start as a wrestler in high school, but from what I understand his pro-wrestling stuff is more of a thing he does out of love rather than an actual job. Ronda Rousey checks out, I guess. Her being a good wrestler, though..... I'm just curious because a lot of shooters who go into wrestling are known to, well, shoot on their opponents.
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This just sort of popped in my head, but what happened to sour Rene Dupree on working for WWE? Before I stopped watching I thought he was really gonna be a star but then nope.
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He had some kind of falling out with Sylvan Grenier. I think both wanted to be pushed as singles wrestlers, even though Grenier was nowhere near as talented as Dupree. Rob Conway was the real casualty in this as he was a better wrestler than both and got lumped in as the replacement in La Resistance. Dupree had that short run on WWECW where he looked gold but was promptly jobbed to CM Punk and disappeared. Dupree also got punched by Bob Holly on a house show and WWE didn't do anything to discipline that jerk Holly. Imagine pulling that kind of poo poo in a real job - that probably pissed Dupree off.
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God what a toxic business. I live in the same town as Bob Holly and see him around sometimes and he's just a tremendous rear end in a top hat. I knew all the other stories about him but never knew he personally assaulted Dupree. When it's this late at night I get a bit wistful about how WWE in the future will really be seen as a place where lots of talented wrestlers went to do almost nothing. It's incredibly sad from an artistic standpoint. Then again I might just be quite stoned currently.
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my favorite bob holly story is the time he sandbagged brock on a powerbomb so brock just shoot powerbombed him and broke his back.
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Attitude Era Podcast's review of Bob Holly's documentary is really good imo. While he's a dick and tries to act like his being a bully is more a myth he has interesting stories about his interactions with Vince. He talks about how Vince legit bought him somewhere in the park of 250k in race car poo poo for the Sparky Plug gimmick since Holly was actually into stock car racing. Claims he tried to help Vince resell the stuff when the gimmick didn't get over and Vince literally gave all of it to him for 20 bucks.
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Yeah I enjoyed listening to their book review, Holly's book was quite well received. I have a question: Paul Heyman quit WWE in 2006 when Vince McMahon made changes to the December 2 Dismember PPV. Has Heyman ever said what his original plans were?
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ItohRespectArmy posted:my favorite bob holly story is the time he sandbagged brock on a powerbomb so brock just shoot powerbombed him and broke his back. Yeah, apparently this is a myth. Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Yeah I enjoyed listening to their book review, Holly's book was quite well received. The main one I've heard revolves around the main event. Heyman basically could read the room with the ECW fanbase, and his plan was basically something along the lines of - start with Punk vs Big Show in the Elimination Chamber. Punk taps out Big Show in a couple of minutes, taking the defending champion out, and then outlasts the rest of the competitors (I'm assuming RVD would have had a bigger role to play, and Sabu, well, would have had a role to play). Big Show as apparently all for it, but then Vince basically I'M VINCE loving MCMAHON'd all over it, and we ended up with Punk going out first, Sabu getting taken out of the match for Test or Hardcore Holly, RVD doing gently caress all before getting eliminated by Test, and Big Show being the final boss of the match for Bobby Lashley to overcome. The event sucked poo poo, as did the rest of the event, Heyman got blamed for it, and ECW basically became the red-headed step-child brand until it became a prototype for what NXT was before it became its own brand. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Vagabundo posted:Yeah, apparently this is a myth. we live in a post truth society and I choose to believe it.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:we live in a post truth society and I choose to believe it. It honestly adds to the Bob Holly mythos so much that it takes him from "bullying dickhead" to "oh he's just very dumb" so I'm inclined to agree with your reality.
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TheKingslayer posted:This just sort of popped in my head, but what happened to sour Rene Dupree on working for WWE? Before I stopped watching I thought he was really gonna be a star but then nope. Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:He had some kind of falling out with Sylvan Grenier. I think both wanted to be pushed as singles wrestlers, even though Grenier was nowhere near as talented as Dupree. Rob Conway was the real casualty in this as he was a better wrestler than both and got lumped in as the replacement in La Resistance. quote:Dupree had that short run on WWECW where he looked gold but was promptly jobbed to CM Punk and disappeared. September 11 2006: Squashes Balls Mahoney in 3m24s October 3 2006: Jobs to CM Punk in 3m26s October 10 2006: Jobs to CM Punk in 2m12s December 19 2006: Jobs to Bobby Lashley in 2m35 February 20, 2007: La Resistance squashes local jobbers in 47s So I'm not really sure what (besides steroids) made him look golden in this run.
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karmicknight posted:It honestly adds to the Bob Holly mythos so much that it takes him from "bullying dickhead" to "oh he's just very dumb" so I'm inclined to agree with your reality. For what it's worth, Bob Holly's book confirms he didn't intentionally sandbag Brock but also confirms that he agreed to not sue WWE over his near-death experience because Vince promised him that he'd be a major part of the Vince vs Trump Wrestlemania match, so there's the same amount of Bob Holly being a loving dumbass in the world. EDIT: Not the near-death experience from getting his neck broke, the later near-death experience from having an infection be ignored by WWE's doctors. Lurks With Wolves fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Does Bob explain whether he was happy in his book about tagging with Crash and/or Cody? I mean, those things kept him on TV, but I can't imagine he enjoyed either (for different reasons, obviously).
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Tagging with Crash was the closest he ever got to being really over, what wouldn’t he have liked about it?
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TheKingslayer posted:God what a toxic business. The Holly/Dupree thing was a really weird situation. From what I understand, Dupree was driving a rental that was in Holly's name (possibly to just return it) and ran a red light or something illegal. Because it was in Holly's name, he was the one who had to deal with it, which was a tremendous pain in the rear end because it meant having to go back to that town and spending several days there to sit through the legal poo poo. It was brought into wrestler's court and the judgment was that the two would have a house show match where Holly was allowed to go hog wild. He messed Dupree up hard and Dupree ended up escaping to the back. It's still an extremely hosed up situation, but I can at least understand where Holly was coming from. It wasn't like he was being a dick for the sake of it like Dynamite Kid punching Jacques in the back of the head for laughs.
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TheKingslayer posted:God what a toxic business. Well, drat. I thought I remembered hearing stories about how he had softened over the years and wasn't a big rear end in a top hat anymore. Maybe I'm thinking of a different rear end in a top hat.
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