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Tin Can Hit Man posted:After Than'jit, I really thought the last boss of Eden was going to be some twisted version of Minfilia. Would have made a lot of sense thematically for the setting, having The Warrior of Darkness finish up taking down a twisted version of The Oracle of Light; what with these bosses being broken mirror reflections of already existing entities, and Than'jit being a manifestation of Ryne's own fears and doubts. All in all, I'd say these last four bosses didn't feel nearly as inspired to me as the previous set, save for Than'jit. We knew ascians did it from...before the start of the raid series! This whole deal was about the flood of light and what you could do to reverse it. We knew from like 3.4 when the WoDs talked about how killing the Ascians started it all. Also you already fought an evil twisted version of the Oracle of light in E8 down to the whole Summoning a mini Momma Crystal to start up another flood of light.
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No, it's not surprising at all. And that's my problem. Gaia is an Ascian. Her fairy-demon-voice in her head was an Ascian who also just so happens to be Eden itself and... ugh. At this point I'm almost as fed up with seeing them as I am the Empire. And E8 felt like it was a hint of a bigger fight to come. And THAT fight still feels like the larger emotional/thematical core for me than the actual finale to me. Which is, again, kind of my problem with it.
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Dec 20, 2020 18:09
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I too am tired of the main antagonists being in antagonistic roles
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Dec 20, 2020 18:46
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mitron is at least somewhat interesting because he's given up on the rejoining and just wants to assimilate his ex and be left alone
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Dec 20, 2020 18:50
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Such impudence...
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Dec 20, 2020 20:39
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You weren't really going to escape the Ascians in a quest line about the first Sin Eater because... they were responsible for the flood and thus had to be involved. In retrospect it also makes 100% perfect sense. Eden is clearly a Sin Eater of incredible strength who has the ability to create primals. "It was born from an Ascian" follows perfectly from that knowing what we do of the Ascians post-ShB. They could have introduced a new villain but it would have been mildly pointless when the entire point of the Eden questline is that it's dealing with the consequences from the Ascian's plot.
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Dec 20, 2020 21:03
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The Eden reveal is basically perfect because nobody saw it coming even though it was completely logical given what we know. Sin eaters used to be people; Eden was the first sin eater to appear during the Flood of Light; the Flood of Light started when Ardbert killed Mitron and Loghrif; therefore Eden used to be either Mitron or Loghrif. It even explains why Eden is so big.
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Dec 20, 2020 21:12
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I get the fatigue of being sick of Ascians tbh, since we've had a year and a half of them centerstage in the MSQ story. Even if logically Eden being an Ascian is probably the only way to write it and maintain consistency in the setting, it still is taking one of the ongoing storylines that, up until 5.4, was free of Ascians, and making it about them.
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Dec 20, 2020 21:13
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Rand Brittain posted:The Eden reveal is basically perfect because nobody saw it coming even though it was completely logical given what we know. Yeah I was genuinely impressed with the reveal precisely because it made so much sense despite seemingly nobody managing to call it.
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Dec 20, 2020 21:18
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I don't understand being disappointed with the reveal being again Ascian related because A) We knew that going in and B) The entire expac, especially the stuff on and about the history of the Floor and the first, has always 100% been billed as The Big Reveal and Final Hurrah of the Ascians. The first was screwed up by their gently caress up, which was directly tied to and cause by what made Eden in the first place, which ties into Ardbert's fight and Cyella and all that. The whole point of Shadowbringers is to talk about the ascians and their true plans and histories and where they hosed up and how they were wrong and the problems beyond their understanding they caused. It's like getting into 3.X and complaining about it all being about Ishgard's politics and the dragonsong war still.
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Mitron's already better than most of the Ascians just because he has a clear motivation, dies fast, and the writers know he's a fuckwad you'll hate so he's got a lot of clarity in his presence. Lahabrea and Elidibus could only wish to be that efficient. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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I really can't help it if people choose to interpret "I'm bored of this/didn't like it as much as X" as "I don't get it/understand why this happened" I've said it before that I'm not looking forward to the next expansion seeing as the central focus will be Zenos, the Empire and banana-rama Lahabrea knock-off. I know why they're doing it. I'm most likely still going to play it. I just can't really be arsed to *care* about Zenos, the Empire, or bargain bin Ascians anymore. All in all I've felt a bit underwhelmed with this patch's content. But I'm also not expecting every plot point or story to be genius and make me cry or feel a feeling. They can't all be gold, and that's okay. Sherry Bahm fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Dec 21, 2020 00:02
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Re: Acsians being/not being/sort of being tempered: Either Zodiark just wants to die now, or Fandaniel has figured out how to slip the leash.
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Dec 21, 2020 16:06
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It's possible that Fandaniel, being a sundered soul, isn't tempered like the unsundered are.
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Dec 21, 2020 16:48
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Unless tempering persists through death, which it likely doesn't, only the 3 unsundered would have been tempered. Everyone else has been reborn in new bodies, with brand new memories, and just had some collection of their Ancient's memories pass on to them after the fact.
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Dec 21, 2020 16:54
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Yeah, and judging from what he said in 5.3, it seems like at least this Damndaniel was more into the whole Ascian thing for the power.
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Dec 21, 2020 17:09
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If sundered were tempered then Gaia would be too
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Dec 21, 2020 17:12
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Frankly I really liked the Eden reveal because it was a continuation of the motif here of Ascians becoming more personal in their motivations rather than being just Big Evil Folks
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Itzena posted:Re: Acsians being/not being/sort of being tempered: Either Zodiark just wants to die now, or Fandaniel has figured out how to slip the leash. A thought that occurred to me doing NG+ is that “tempered by Zodiark” might manifest as “required to obey the orders of Elidibus.” Certainty Elidibus took it for granted that his correction would have forced a change on Emet-Selch.
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Dedekind posted:A thought that occurred to me doing NG+ is that “tempered by Zodiark” might manifest as “required to obey the orders of Elidibus.” Certainty Elidibus took it for granted that his correction would have forced a change on Emet-Selch. Elidibus took a lot of stuff for granted.
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Maybe if they take you for a trip to the moon, and you stay there long enough, you get tempered all over again? Even a trapped piece of Zodiark's gotta be pretty drat impressive! And hey, given that Elidibus was essentially a part of Zodiark out on walkabout, all that chilling on the moon might've been a sort of recharge? At any rate, we got some moon in our futures.
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Lol what if there's a part in 6.0 MSQ where you go to the moon and meet Zodiark face to face and it turns out that the echo only protects you from being tempered by normie primals and zodiark gets your rear end for a good stretch of the story Just a stretch of the MSQ where we get to be kain/golbez for a while
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Chillgamesh posted:Lol what if there's a part in 6.0 MSQ where you go to the moon and meet Zodiark face to face and it turns out that the echo only protects you from being tempered by normie primals and zodiark gets your rear end for a good stretch of the story My assumption for 6.0 is that the first five zones will all be Garlemald, with the 5th zone being the capital city. Zenos and/or Fandaniel will be the trial boss at level 89 (like Innocence), then the final zone will be the Moon. The 24-man trial will be the Lunatic Pandora.
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Chillgamesh posted:Lol what if there's a part in 6.0 MSQ where you go to the moon and meet Zodiark face to face and it turns out that the echo only protects you from being tempered by normie primals and zodiark gets your rear end for a good stretch of the story This is brought up earlier by Zenos. The Echo likely doesn't grant immunity to tempering, but lets you contest their will with your own. The PC being tempered would still be dumb as hell.
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Dec 21, 2020 22:34
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It's firmly established that we tower above the gods. You by your gift, I by my might.
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WrightOfWay posted:It's possible that Fandaniel, being a sundered soul, isn't tempered like the unsundered are.
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Mordiceius posted:My assumption for 6.0 is that the first five zones will all be Garlemald, with the 5th zone being the capital city. Zenos and/or Fandaniel will be the trial boss at level 89 (like Innocence), then the final zone will be the Moon. I would love if the endgame hub is just the moon. How the hell did you get up here, Rowena
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Waffleman_ posted:I would love if the endgame hub is just the moon. How the hell did you get up here, Rowena Lol. Just as the end-game hub for Shadowbringers isn’t in the Tempest, I’d assume the same if we go to the moon.
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Turns out the endgame hub is the Hummingway Cave.
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Dec 22, 2020 07:25
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They sent up a ship out of Azys Lla, or as it is more commonly known, the House of Splendors Aerospace Division
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Waffleman_ posted:I would love if the endgame hub is just the moon. How the hell did you get up here, Rowena Someone told her there was a dropped nickel and she created the entire spaceflight program to grab it.
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Yeah I was gonna say that as soon as Rowena catches wind that there is money to be made on the moon, then nothing will stop her from getting there. This is because Rowena is a primal who manifested from the collective belief of Uldahns in the free market.
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Please let us use either the Azys Lla flagship or Nyunkrepf's Hope as a spaceship.
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bewilderment posted:Please let us use either the Azys Lla flagship or Nyunkrepf's Hope as a spaceship. It's gonna be the Lunar Whale, wherever it might be.
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Dec 22, 2020 08:47
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Vermain posted:It's gonna be the Lunar Whale, wherever it might be. Another expansion ends in us getting help from Bismarck.
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Cleretic posted:Another expansion ends in us getting help from Bismarck. 
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The Ragnarok... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ4aa-q2GRg (I would find the Big Whale acceptable as well) Edit: what happened to the void ark, i literally remember none of the cutscenes in that series lol
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The Ragnarok... The Void Ark got looted, but is still flying fine. It's flying so fine, in fact, that you can see it in the Sea of Clouds.
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