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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Jordan Peterson died for REAL this time not making it up!!!
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Wark Say posted:Wait, is the bolded one really all that common? I mean, people tell me I have it but I dunno
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Dec 22, 2020 06:27
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Wark Say posted:Wait, is the bolded one really all that common? it is among academics. you get over it once you realize all the PhDs are full of poo poo too
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Dec 22, 2020 06:29
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I was kidding btw Impostor Syndrome is very common.
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Dec 22, 2020 06:35
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The way I hear it, most people get into psych either because they want to manipulate people or they want to fix their own loose screws, probably with some overlap. IIRC, Jorps specifically specialises in Jungian psychiatry... which is completely obsolete and discredited along the lines of phlogiston. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Dec 22, 2020 |
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Dec 22, 2020 07:38
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Who What Now posted:I don't believe for a second that Jorp felt bad for those kids. That's a straight up lie because even he knows that refusing to feel pity for toddlers in bad situations is unacceptable to normal people. Look at another excerpt that he writes, and keep in mind that he is writing about a two year old I don't understand, isn't bullying actually supposed to be good for his daughter? The kid was trying to form her character and cure her of her weak and effeminate tendencies?
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Dec 22, 2020 14:45
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DickParasite posted:No only you have it 
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Dec 22, 2020 15:23
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I actually decided to look up "Impostor Syndrome" and I think I got it confused with Capgras Syndrome/Capgras Delusion, which a friend does suffer from.
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Dec 22, 2020 16:19
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Tarkus posted:Actually, I've always had this pet theory that a major component of some people becoming phycologists is so that they can diagnose themselves. Frankly, I've never seen it work, most psychologists are crazy as gently caress. Hi, I dated a psychologist and she admitted got into it because she had a weird childhood and wanted to figure poo poo out. She also saw various other psychologists over the years for therapy who were all various flavours of crazy including the guy who did 'shamanic journeying' in order to help patients figure their poo poo out.
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Dec 22, 2020 16:26
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Wark Say posted:I actually decided to look up "Impostor Syndrome" and I think I got it confused with Capgras Syndrome/Capgras Delusion, which a friend does suffer from. Did they always have it or did it develop after a certain point? EDIT: I’m sorry—I got it confused with Cotard Delusion. If it’s personal, please don’t answer.
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Dec 22, 2020 16:37
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Did they always have it or did it develop after a certain point? So they think they're a pie? EDIT: My bad, I was thinking of Custard Delusion.
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Dec 22, 2020 16:41
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Who What Now posted:So they think they're a pie? Custard Delusion is when you think you lost the battle of Little Bighorn
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Dec 22, 2020 17:28
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https://www.42rulesforlife.com/a-brief-proof-for-the-existence-of-god/ Peterson has taken a break from promoting his book to prove the existence of god
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Dec 24, 2020 13:38
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Hamburger Sandwich posted:https://www.42rulesforlife.com/a-brief-proof-for-the-existence-of-god/ It's up to 42 rules already? Man, I can't keep up with all these rules. Maybe some kind of police could help people keep them. Beat me a little with a stick, hack off my hand, etc. if I forget to follow them, stuff like that
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Dec 24, 2020 14:10
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Hamburger Sandwich posted:https://www.42rulesforlife.com/a-brief-proof-for-the-existence-of-god/ quote:It is by no means a meaningless historical fact that the ancient Israelites decreed that the name of the single God was to remain unspeakable, and that no graven image was to be made of the absolute. Guess what bitch? It's a meaningless historical fact. Suck my dick. QED.
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Dec 24, 2020 14:18
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Honestly if someone is going to prove god based on historical religions at least bring a religion older than loving judaism. What about African religions? What about native American religions? What about Indian religions? What about European religions (remember The West that you love so much petey?)?
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Dec 24, 2020 14:20
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The way I hear it, most people get into psych either because they want to manipulate people or they want to fix their own loose screws, probably with some overlap. Didn't concepts like transferrence come from Jung
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Dec 24, 2020 14:21
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Hamburger Sandwich posted:https://www.42rulesforlife.com/a-brief-proof-for-the-existence-of-god/ lol "God exists because Socrates had multiple personality disorder" an interesting hot-take from a psychologist
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Dec 24, 2020 14:32
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Shageletic posted:Didn't concepts like transferrence come from Jung Nope; transference comes from Freud.
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Dec 24, 2020 14:55
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The only reason Freud and Jung have any cachet is because the whole concept of mental illness being a thing and that talking to people about their problems could be helpful rather than just abusing them into submission was revolutionary at the time.
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Dec 24, 2020 15:45
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I may have said this before but I have a friend who's a psychiatrist (studied at UofToronto even) and one night when we were drunk after a soccer game I asked him if he was into Freud or Jung and he totally scoffed at me. According to this legit doctor, nobody in the field reads or uses Freud or Jung anymore. 95% of his job is 20 minute check ins with patients and renewing or adjusting prescriptions were started by their family doctor. It was kind of devastating.
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Dec 24, 2020 16:09
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Another Bill posted:I may have said this before but I have a friend who's a psychiatrist (studied at UofToronto even) and one night when we were drunk after a soccer game I asked him if he was into Freud or Jung and he totally scoffed at me. According to this legit doctor, nobody in the field reads or uses Freud or Jung anymore. 95% of his job is 20 minute check ins with patients and renewing or adjusting prescriptions were started by their family doctor. thats like asking a physicist if they read newtons Principia Mathematica
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Dec 24, 2020 16:13
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Workaday Wizard posted:Honestly if someone is going to prove god based on historical religions at least bring a religion older than loving judaism. What about African religions? What about native American religions? What about Indian religions? What about European religions (remember The West that you love so much petey?)? uh history only started at white people times
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Dec 24, 2020 16:19
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Rutibex posted:lol "God exists because Socrates had multiple personality disorder" Thanks for putting into words what my heart was screaming.
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Another Bill posted:I may have said this before but I have a friend who's a psychiatrist (studied at UofToronto even) and one night when we were drunk after a soccer game I asked him if he was into Freud or Jung and he totally scoffed at me. According to this legit doctor, nobody in the field reads or uses Freud or Jung anymore. 95% of his job is 20 minute check ins with patients and renewing or adjusting prescriptions were started by their family doctor. According to my buddy's psychiatrist girlfriend there actually still is exactly one dude in the Toronto psychiatry community who is really into Freud but everyone thinks he's a weirdo.
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Another Bill posted:I may have said this before but I have a friend who's a psychiatrist (studied at UofToronto even) and one night when we were drunk after a soccer game I asked him if he was into Freud or Jung and he totally scoffed at me. According to this legit doctor, nobody in the field reads or uses Freud or Jung anymore. 95% of his job is 20 minute check ins with patients and renewing or adjusting prescriptions were started by their family doctor.
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Another Bill posted:I may have said this before but I have a friend who's a psychiatrist (studied at UofToronto even) and one night when we were drunk after a soccer game I asked him if he was into Freud or Jung and he totally scoffed at me. According to this legit doctor, nobody in the field reads or uses Freud or Jung anymore. That is a scoff because it’s like asking a present-day botanist if their work is based on the writings of Issac Newton or one of Newton’s mystical contemporaries. The job of a psychiatrist is to treat medical disorders, which is why your friend mainly just writes prescriptions. Psychologists are a different thing. In that realm, Freud is a notable historical figure because he said “hey we should examine how people’s minds work”, but only his basic tenets remain relevant today. You’d be better off asking if a psychotherapist is more Kleinian or Lacanian, or something.
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Another Bill posted:I may have said this before but I have a friend who's a psychiatrist (studied at UofToronto even) and one night when we were drunk after a soccer game I asked him if he was into Freud or Jung and he totally scoffed at me. According to this legit doctor, nobody in the field reads or uses Freud or Jung anymore. 95% of his job is 20 minute check ins with patients and renewing or adjusting prescriptions were started by their family doctor. It's a sad fact of life that modern psychiatry relies so heavily on medication and the demand for such care leaves little if any time for patient interaction. My own psychiatrist lamented in one of my last sessions that he missed the counseling aspect of his career. But the division of treatment between psychiatrists prescribing medication and therapists providing assessment and guided advice is ultimately better for both patient and provider. Also lol being a Freudian or Jungian Psychiatrist is like a physics major being a Newtonian Alchemist.
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Dec 24, 2020 16:53
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:What the gently caress?! peterson's advice on children is so warped that i'm not surprised his chaos dragon daughter turned out the way she did. Hamburger Sandwich posted:https://www.42rulesforlife.com/a-brief-proof-for-the-existence-of-god/ aside from just being a bigoted disphit, i just really REALLY hate the way peterson speaks in general. but if i'm reading this correctly, jorp's argument is basically that god exists cause otherwise why would socrates be willing to die for his beliefs?
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Dec 26, 2020 22:51
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Jung especially veered off into weird occultism and bizarre theories by the end of his career.
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Dec 26, 2020 23:01
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we should have a separate subforum for this outrage stuff imo it could have like a 150 character limit
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Dec 27, 2020 06:16
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Jung especially veered off into weird occultism and bizarre theories by the end of his career. Alcoholic's Anonymous founder Bill W was really into Jung's ideas on spirituality and that's why almost all addiction treatment relies on finding a higher power. Thanks Carl!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWXxlYzBCno
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Dec 27, 2020 18:26
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For a second I thought Jordi was a VTuber now
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Dec 27, 2020 18:41
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jesus christ this rules
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Dec 27, 2020 18:47
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 this is brilliant. proclick
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I've been staying out of this thread because everything I've wanted to say was already said more eloquently than I would. But I feel like I need to clarify a few things from the last few pages I'm both a clinical psychologist and a psychiatry registrar; I went back to school to study medicine after working as a psychologist for several years. I own a private psychology practice and work as a psychiatrist in a hospital quote:may have said this before but I have a friend who's a psychiatrist (studied at UofToronto even) and one night when we were drunk after a soccer game I asked him if he was into Freud or Jung and he totally scoffed at me. According to this legit doctor, nobody in the field reads or uses Freud or Jung anymore. I would argue (strongly) that all mental health professionals are "Freudian" but you don't become aware of it because so many of Freud's concepts are so broadly assimilated into the culture of psychology and psychotherapy that they're no longer attributed to him (and what remains attributed to him is the weirder, fringe beliefs that have fallen out of favour). The idea that trauma can cause emotional and physical symptoms, that our developmental experiences in our early years affects our adult lives, that people have complex and often contradictory motives to their behaviour, and that emotional difficulties can be treated by talking about them are all "Freudian" concepts. Even the idea of attending psychological therapy on a regular basis originated from Freud's writings. The application of Freud's theories and models has, obviously, developed and advanced over the last century and he basic models have been subsumed enough into normal psychological practice that many practitioners lose touch as to what is "Freudian" vs "not-Freudian" about their practice. But any suitably trained therapist would be aware of the historical tradition of their field and I don't know anyone who would scoff at the idea of being called a Freudian. Whether a psychoanalyst calls themselves a "Freudian psychotherapist" is a meaningless distinction because even those who practice closer to the model he proposed is still practicing a contemporary model that has evolved radially since Freud's day. Very few people who accept the label of "Freudian" or "Jungian" actually practice anything close to what Freud or Jung would call faithful to their models. quote:Most psych majors I know got into the field explicitly to gain a measure of control over the various things haunting them, which usually turned out to be the standard cocktail of impostor syndrome, general anxiety, depression and sundry similar ills that plague any reasonable 21st century adult. The ones who seem to enter psychology to learn about themselves don't usually appear to go on to post graduate study or end up practicing therapy. I'd argue that delivering therapy is hard work and people who didn't go into the field specifically to do it would quickly burn out... It's one of those things where, if you're not getting into it for altruistic aims, you're not very effective and the training programs tend to weed you out before you graduate. I found, in undergrad, my cohort was filled with some of the most diverse and interesting people I've ever met. My cohort in graduate school were honestly very boring people by comparison, high achieving and very smart but lacking a lot of the extroversion, odd behaviours, and dynamic beliefs of the undergrads... the training program sort of required this, if you have a lot of "stuff" going on yourself, it's very hard to take on the struggles and difficulties of your patients when you practice. quote:Lol, can someone from TCC chime in and tell us what the prognosis for benzos withdrawal is using accepted standard medical procedures? I mean, he only got brain damage cause they flew him to Russia for some quack science experimental treatment, right? He would have been ok if he just got into a regular hospital? You're 100% correct, he got brain damage because he went to Russia and did experimental treatments. It's my understanding (as outlined here) that he was placed in an induced coma as his treatment. The logic is that the weaning program for benzos is so long and unpleasant that you can just be put to sleep instead. That way you suffer your withdrawal effects while you're asleep and you're awoken when they've passed... except it doesn't work like that and you still have withdrawal symptoms when you wake up. Also being put into a coma is really really dangerous and is banned in most countries, hence the trip to Russia. His daughter's blog posts suggests that he went into seizures and developed pneumonia; the seizures could be from weaning from the benzos too fast (perhaps because they put him in a coma and just stopped the benzos, which is bad to do) and the pneumonia is a common side effect from the ventilators they use while people are in comas. The actual treatment is very boring but very safe. It's best done under medical supervision but you don't need medical training to understand what you do; it involves converting the benzo you use to a "safer" benzo, starting a regular dosing regiment, and then, over weeks and months, gradually reducing the amount you're giving in the regular dosing regiment. The guidelines used by most health services are outlined in a good called "the Maudsley prescribing guidelines in psychiatry" which provides advice on conversion and then proposed medication regiments. In Peterson's case, you would determine how much clonazepam he's taking (lets pretend he was taking 8mg per day which is a hefty dose). You would convert that amount to an equivalent amount of a safer benzo, we use diazepam for this purpose for a number of reasons... 8mg of clonazepam is equivalent to 80mg of diazepam per day. You convert that to a three or four times per day dosing schedule, so in this case I would recommend he take 20mg at 6am, 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm and you now have him on a dose that will ensure his body does not go into withdrawal. You would then seek to taper the dose between 5 and 25% every one to four weeks as tolerated. 5% of 80mg would be 4mg, you could round that up to 5mg and you could seek to reduce one of his four-daily 20mg doses by 5mg starting from week 2... so his week 2 regiment might be 20mg, 20mg, 15mg, 20mg... reduce it by 5mg more on week 3 so it's 20mg, 15mg, 15mg, 20mg and so on. It's very simple but uncomfortable. But perfectly medically safe and doesn't even need to be done in hospital. This is pretty much the gold standard of how this is done and you won't find much variation from hospital to hospital (unless you go to Russia) Serrath fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Dec 28, 2020 |
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Serrath posted:In Peterson's case, you would determine how much clonazepam he's taking (lets pretend he was taking 8mg per day which is a hefty dose). You would convert that amount to an equivalent amount of a safer benzo, we use diazepam for this purpose for a number of reasons... 8mg of clonazepam is equivalent to 80mg of diazepam per day. You convert that to a three or four times per day dosing schedule, so in this case I would recommend he take 20mg at 6am, 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm and you now have him on a dose that will ensure his body does not go into withdrawal. how do you stop them from popping extra pills when its uncomfortable?
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loving impressive!
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There’s utility in understandings of psychodynamics that aren’t immediately applicable to clinical practice. Like if you were, say, a forest pathologist and you needed to stop all the oak trees in an area from dying. There’s a lot of true information and valid analytic frameworks from biology, chemistry, geology, ecology that all apply to the forest. You aren’t going to use all of that info in order to choose a practical and effective path forward. That extra info doesn’t stop being true or interesting.
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- hi