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Nutapii posted:There's about 5 lorries a minute, or one each way every 24 seconds, through Dover. It's right up against the cliff so we can't expand it. If we do inspections at Dover we slow the lorries getting off, slowing the ferries turnaround time, reducing the amount of ferries and lorries in a day which isn't ideal given it's where all our stuff comes through*. We'll do it after the port, and create a Kent Access Permit but Kent has 100s of roads out... The UK have already said that they will be "understanding" about inspections on goods coming in, at least for a while. These new rules are complicated you see! What new rules? Well we're not actually sure yet.
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You should probe yourself for the drunkposting Jose, you are abusing your Power I didn't see what you posted though, it's just that the forum should exist in a state of permanent revolution
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Nutapii posted:That reward poster is very British. Oh someone who doesn't have actual power will visit, how exciting! The same way people talk about some middle manager from head office visiting a regional office. It's a person who has done a minor thing within your industry phoning/visiting with some pre-prepared lines, why give a toss? https://twitter.com/thehardmenpath/status/1341418151091855360?s=20
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bessantj posted:There were a few people in this thread that worked hard for Labour, can't see that happening again. I reckon I did about 40 hours of door-knocking over the campaign, all of it in marginals, including of course all loving day in Chingford on election day itself in the pissing rain. Also about the same amount split between Euros and locals in the two years before, and maybe £150 of cash contributions on top of my subs. Cancelled my direct debit when they suspended Corbyn, not even going to bother voting in the locals now and I don't even know what the current leadership could do to even get me to the bottom of my garden let alone out there talking to people. Turns out people aren't willing to give up time, money and emotional labour for bland managerialism, even before you have the entire upper echelons of the party doing every single thing they can to make it clear you're not welcome in the party.
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I only leafleted, but I donated a fairly wince-inducing amount to the 2019 campaign. I'm loving furious at how it was misused and you're drat right I won't be lifting a finger for them next year, even though I've chosen to stay in the party.
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I did several hundred hours at the monitor face (one week I did 50 hours - didn't have any work on that week) setting up the campaign social media pages, making posts, checking videos, getting to grips with fkin whateveritwas called Probate, Prevent, Prolapse or something (wasn't that, but I have completely forgotten what it was called) - the business manager interface which screwed us up numerous times (including 2017) because they kept submitting our stuff through to Welsh Labour who basically completely ignored our CLP and would take 9 days to approve an ad. Also getting a couple of others up to speed on how to do the stuff. (And this was after I had decided I was 90% going to quit the party but didn't once the election was announced. I stuck it out so as not to let people down and you never know, Other party members in our CLP spent 100s of hours trudging the roads and streets (we're a very geographically widespread CLP area so there were several towns, numerous rural areas - our candidate went to many of those and got promises from farmers (!! shock!!) as well. Lefties and righties worked very hard together. Oh and as for the personal donations people made (I didn't make any, I figured I was doing enough already). Don't get me started. To know that the election was thrown - and I said right back immediately after the Euro elections that they were making a huge mistake going into panic mode for second referendum - Wales heavily leave, people filmed after the referendum standing outside buildings in Ebbw Vales etc with signs saying 'funded by EU' on them going 'what have the EU ever done for us'. :smdh: Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Meanwhile in other news, the Israeli government has collapsed. New elections in March. Sadly I think it will get even more right wing.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Meanwhile in other news, the Israeli government has collapsed. New elections in March. Sadly I think it will get even more right wing. at this point "the israeli government has collapsed" is basically Monday morning news, it's like even more evil Belgium
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Given some of the other "lovely" people who have got in, why has whoever is responsible for these things got it in for Tom Watson? https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1341494257501302785?s=20
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Given some of the other "lovely" people who have got in, why has whoever is responsible for these things got it in for Tom Watson? Presumably, if the Lords Appointments Commission gives a big thumbsdown to Tom Watson, and Boris Johnson doesn't feel he's been as useful to the neoliberal agenda as - say - John Mann, then Boris Johnson isn't obliged to go against tradition to give him a spot in the cherished upper chamber. Maybe Tom Watson should have agreed to stand down and poo poo-talk Corbyn prior to the 2019 election; that seems to have been the threshold for Soviet Penis to consider someone worthy of ennobling.
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Entirely due to great budgeting, and not at all to do with anything going on about a year ago in the world of political reporting, or anything happening a day ago in the literary world, I find myself exactly £157.50 a year better off! Someone name a couple of charidees to which I can contribute, autism or transfolk for preference? I know there's at least one really bad autism one.
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bessantj posted:There were a few people in this thread that worked hard for Labour, can't see that happening again. I went and doorknocked with the local party in our new neighbourhood. loving dreadful experience. First the official emails had two different meeting points, so half the people went to the wrong place. Then they wasted like 30 minutes just nattering about previous elections. When we went knocking it was immediately "Hello my name is Brian oval office from you local Labour party, how do you feel about issue X? Ok, how do you feel about issue Y? Ok, how do you feel about issue Z?" without any follow-up or commentary on "this is how the Labour manifesto will help someone who feels like you". To top it all off, at the end we had a big "we did what we can but it's hopeless because of Corbyn" session at the end. In the end the Tories increased their share in our area. Big surprise. Never again. Doorknocking really didn't seem like the answer, especially first thing on a Sunday morning, most people seemed hung over and pissed off at having someone bother them at home. I kept thinking, maybe we should be in the parking lot of a big grocery store or in a mall or something, somewhere that we could be doing little social good deeds like helping people carry their groceries, in return for listening our rhetoric. Showing people "hey this is what society could be like, people helping people, instead of just helping themselves". Not now though, bloody Kiev Abstarmer's useless. I've said since the beginning: I'm all about policies. If he came with the exact manifesto that Corbyn did, I'd back him in a second. But I've got no idea what the man stands for (other than purges), so how can I support him?
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Only Kindness posted:Entirely due to great budgeting, and not at all to do with anything going on about a year ago in the world of political reporting, or anything happening a day ago in the literary world, I find myself exactly £157.50 a year better off! Just in case anyone doesn't get it, they cancelled their TV license, probably due to BBC stuff with JKR. I believe Mermaids is good, they help trans kids.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Ok then give people jobs you loving numpty I just got round to finishing the MMT book I started ages ago (love reading non fiction books on Kindle when they suddenly end at 75% because the last quarter of the book is footnotes!), which leans heavily on the Univseral Jobs Guarantee as a way of distributing money. I know we've talked about that in the thread before, and the downsides of that, but it seems like the most palatable approach for the US. It's a very good explanation of how money works and why a country doesn't have a national credit card. And it makes clear that MMT is not a political or economic philosophy like capitalism or socialism, but a framework that can be used in various ways. I think this is useful for the many people who have been convinced that There Is No Alternative to this specific form of neoliberalism - obviously we want them to vote for The book is US-centric, and while it explains how the federal gov is the currency issuer and can never run out of money, it doesn't really talk about how the smaller entities (states, counties, cities), who are currency users who are limited in what they can spend by their income (tax, federal money, borrowing), can benefit from MMT. If the feds still hold the purse strings, how does the City of Flimpington, IL, get more money to upgrade its roads? I wonder the same thing about over here. Scotland would like more tax raising powers, but that still constrains them as a currency user to balance the budget, and relies on the generosity of Westminster (lol). Ditto the Eurozone (which she mentions in passing as countries who have consciously ceded some monetary sovereignty) - I guess you need the EU and the ECB to start believing in MMT and dishing out Euros at that level? Still a good Christmas gift for your friend or relative who still brings up the "No Money Left" note any time you suggest improving society somewhat.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55349395 Reading through this before work to give myself a mirgrane first thing, laughed then got mad at number 6. "Combustible insulation was energy efficient" YEA NO poo poo. I'm not surprised but still so angry that there has been no justice for Grenfell, I guess Tories are going to Tory.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Given some of the other "lovely" people who have got in, why has whoever is responsible for these things got it in for Tom Watson? He led the charge against the Murdoch press re: phone hacking.
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I'm not a green (well not since 2011), good with trains in general and getting electricity from loving round with atoms is fine with me, but...  That 300 year old tree isn't important because it's 300 years old, it's important because it's genetically quite diverse from other tree populations around of the same family and might just hold the key to population survival in case of something like the next dutch elm disease.  It's not just the tree but the habitat it provides- potentially hundreds of other species of plant, insect and animal, many of which are struggling quite bitterly already in terms of numbers, will be living in, on or around that tree. Each with their own wealth of genetic information which won't exist exactly like it anywhere else.  And it's very rarely a single tree- often it's a copse or small woodland with a whole diverse, unique and complex system that gets eliminated. And not just woodland- scrub and hedgerow etc are equally important to maintain diversity but subject to the same treatment and even less outcry.  It can be done properly, with limited damage if needed. But it involves experts and a lot of time/money to properly reproduce- so instead a developer razes an area, then plants a few hundred cheap saplings (with some serious hapsburg genetics going on) in an old field and calls it fine.  Then they don't tend or water them and a bunch die or get eaten, or they have bright ideas like "oh hey plant all pine trees because they grow fast and thats great for carbon capture" which then leads to "Oh poo poo, we made a total monoculture and pretty much everything else is dead and the soil is acid now".  It's not just HS2, the entire ecosystem is taking a serious kicking and thanks to extensive greenwashing efforts many people think it's all fine and dandy because the number of trees went up and it really loving isn't.  Okay I'm gonna put my soapbox away and go order some more trees now
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I reckon I did about 40 hours of door-knocking over the campaign, all of it in marginals, including of course all loving day in Chingford on election day itself in the pissing rain. Also about the same amount split between Euros and locals in the two years before, and maybe £150 of cash contributions on top of my subs. Cancelled my direct debit when they suspended Corbyn, not even going to bother voting in the locals now and I don't even know what the current leadership could do to even get me to the bottom of my garden let alone out there talking to people. Mourning Due posted:I went and doorknocked with the local party in our new neighbourhood. loving dreadful experience. First the official emails had two different meeting points, so half the people went to the wrong place. Then they wasted like 30 minutes just nattering about previous elections. When we went knocking it was immediately "Hello my name is Brian oval office from you local Labour party, how do you feel about issue X? Ok, how do you feel about issue Y? Ok, how do you feel about issue Z?" without any follow-up or commentary on "this is how the Labour manifesto will help someone who feels like you". To top it all off, at the end we had a big "we did what we can but it's hopeless because of Corbyn" session at the end. It's sad really because if you asked Starmer off the record what he thinks about losing all those subs & hard workers he'd probably think it's a good thing and a break from the past.
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Yeah, the huge elimination of hedgerow to make big fields to pantomime American style mechanized plains farming of corn has likely done more ecological damage than any attack on tree.
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DesperateDan posted:I'm not a green (well not since 2011), good with trains in general and getting electricity from loving round with atoms is fine with me, but...  (E: & well informed)
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bessantj posted:It's sad really because if you asked Starmer off the record what he thinks about losing all those subs & hard workers he'd probably think it's a good thing and a break from the past. Guavanaut posted:Yeah, the huge elimination of hedgerow to make big fields to pantomime American style mechanized plains farming of corn has likely done more ecological damage than any attack on tree. Cool how these two posts together could get describing the same thing.
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Not So Fast posted:I don't know why the Greens hate HS2 so much. Sorry a 300 year old tree got cut down because it was in the way?) Is it not for the same reason most people don’t like HS2 i.e. they think it’s the wrong direction for public spending on railways? I had a little look at their website. They call it “pointless”, “expensive” and “a train line for the 1%, not the 99% of rail users”.
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ReActor posted:Is it not for the same reason most people don’t like HS2 i.e. they think it’s the wrong direction for public spending on railways? I had a little look at their website. They call it “pointless”, “expensive” and “a train line for the 1%, not the 99% of rail users”. Pretty much. HS2 isn't necessarily a bad thing, but neglecting the rail infrastructure of the entire country so that businessmen can get from London to Birmingham 40 minutes faster is.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:You should probe yourself for the drunkposting Jose, you are abusing your Power This forum is, will be and always has been revolting.
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Jedit posted:Pretty much. HS2 isn't necessarily a bad thing, but neglecting the rail infrastructure of the entire country so that businessmen can get from London to Birmingham 40 minutes faster is. But that’s not what HS2 will allow, it will create a huge amount of capacity for intra-city travel that’s currently bottenecked?
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Is there a way to create a new high-speed rail service in the UK that doesn't destroy irreplaceable ancient forests?
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Borrovan posted:Thank you, I must have made a half dozen "actually destroying irreplaceable natural resources is bad" arguments wrt HS2 itt & am getting pretty bored of it, yours is much more memorable
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Necrothatcher posted:Is there a way to create a new high-speed rail service in the UK that doesn't destroy irreplaceable ancient forests? Cue pages of debate about whether it's too curvy because of old locomotives.
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Necrothatcher posted:Is there a way to create a new high-speed rail service in the UK that doesn't destroy irreplaceable ancient forests? *boris johnson careers through the wall* Bridges! Bridges everywhere! The greatest bridge network ever conceived by man! Britain in the sky! Brits aloft! Huzzah!
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Jedit posted:Pretty much. HS2 isn't necessarily a bad thing, but neglecting the rail infrastructure of the entire country so that businessmen can get from London to Birmingham 40 minutes faster is. Some lines could really use it. I was on a relay a couple of weeks back and some of the wooden sleepers were so rotten that when the machine picked them up they just fell apart. All new concrete sleepers now though.
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Necrothatcher posted:Is there a way to create a new high-speed rail service in the UK that doesn't destroy irreplaceable ancient forests? There are better ways to increase rail capacity, in ways that would do more to regenerate northern and midlands towns, like rehabilitating the lines that were cut by Beeching; but they would not be high speed.
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Our local country park has taken 25 years to turn from a former opencast site to a massively diverse habitat used by hundreds of people every day. Now it's getting a "northern spur" rammed through the middle of it. This year has led to lots of people discovering the great countryside around us just in time to see it destroyed. Just about to start Disco Elysium after hearing you guys talk about it; is there anything I should know before I begin? I'm just thinking of Planescape: Torment and the whole "put your points in Wisdom/Intelligence or you'll miss half the game" thing. Thanks to whoever pointed out you could get it for a tenner from Epic Games!
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Sanford posted:Our local country park has taken 25 years to turn from a former opencast site to a massively diverse habitat used by hundreds of people every day. Now it's getting a "northern spur" rammed through the middle of it. This year has led to lots of people discovering the great countryside around us just in time to see it destroyed. I strongly recommend that you do not lower any starting stat to 1.
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Sanford posted:Our local country park has taken 25 years to turn from a former opencast site to a massively diverse habitat used by hundreds of people every day. Now it's getting a "northern spur" rammed through the middle of it. This year has led to lots of people discovering the great countryside around us just in time to see it destroyed. There's no wrong way, it depends on what you want your character to be. If you want a Sherlock type mindpalace super detective you want points in conceptulisation, visual calculus, logic and so on. Do you want a stressed out artist type? Points in conceptulisation, electrochemistry, shivers. Dale Cooper? Inland Empire, Espirit de corps, Shivers. It's not really about winning, it's about what you want out of the game. If you want lots of Lynch style magical realism then pick the related skills. So there's no way to make a bad build but you could make a personally disappointing one.
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