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gently caress, what a lovely snipe, putting the context back in to what i'm responding to:SiKboy posted:
"The sexploitation and victimization are the basis of punk music and cyberpunk." "No mention of punk music in my post but I feel that's unrelated to 'punk' in the sense of cyberpunk," BaldDwarfOnPCP is referring to an origin of both, not claiming a direct relation between the musical genre and the fictional genre. to recast what was said in a different context, BDOPCP said two things you're taking issue with: "wolves are the source of labradors and golden retrievers", "I'm not talking about labradors, I'm talking about how wolves became golden retrievers specifically" you're saying "lmao you're saying golden retrievers aren't descended from labradors? look at this guy!" stringless has a new favorite as of 14:25 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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SiKboy posted:Oh, you see, we thought you believed them to be unrelated because we must have mistakenly got that from when you said My dumb. But tbf most cyberpunk games/movies uses DnB or techno or "dub" rather than old school 80s or 90s punk music. I thought that was a given. Haven't played CP 20yy yet so I don't know if there are any Black Flag or Husker Du slow jams.
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a classic, although i am unsure how real it is
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in any case genres aren't real so who cares the commodification of cyberpunk is cyberpunk and hell iirc before '77 fried my OS drive i'm pretty sure i saw cyberpunk fiction in one of the journal log things written in the context of 2077
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Skwirl posted:That's the insane thing, right wingers never understand that poor people spending their money on dumb poo poo is what makes the economy work. Like why does it matter that someone on SNAP buys the more expensive meat instead of eating nothing but rice and beans, the same amount of money goes into the grocery store allowing them to employee clerks and what not and also buying that expensive beef in the first place giving jobs to cowboys. Do they really think we should eliminate jobs for cowboys? It's like how right wing commentators will bemoan people not being able to live easily on minimum wage by being thrifty. Yet they also reeee at noon essential businesses being closed because of covid/support corporate welfare like the eat out to help out scheme in the UK.
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StillFullyTerrible posted:a classic, although i am unsure how real it is Was the language being spoken Yiddish?
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Cyberpunk never was anything other than a new coat of paint over existing boilerplate concepts, all this purism and talk about the essence of cyberpunk is bullshit. We've swapped all the things from America to take place in Japan instead because we think Japan is the next big deal and isn't going to end up in a thirty year spiral of stagnation, oh wowee.
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Benny Harvey posted:Was the language being spoken Yiddish? yes lol
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FFT posted:doesn't sound as good as Good Omens tbh It wasn’t. Gibson is a way better author than sterling and it was obvious while reading the book
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Benny Harvey posted:It's like how right wing commentators will bemoan people not being able to live easily on minimum wage by being thrifty. Yet they also reeee at noon essential businesses being closed because of covid/support corporate welfare like the eat out to help out scheme in the UK. "it's such a terrible failure of the system that you have to be working here on christmas eve while i'm shopping"
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Not to continue a derail needlessly but now I'm legit wondering where the Deus Ex games fall on the spectrum of Cyberpunk-iness. Granted, I've only played Human Revolution, but an ex-cop cyborg questioning humanity while dealing with a conspiracy between mega-corporations running the world seems to tick a lot of the boxes.
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Deus Ex is cyberpunk pure as long as you take an "I'M NOT A PART OF YOUR SYSTEM" path DX is more just unreasonably prescient what with the twin towers not being included in the backgrounds and a disease that's deliberately not being restrained by The Powers That Be where the Powers have access to the cure imo cyberpunk is a futuristic anarcho-capitalist hellscape where the main character pulls an "i'm mad as hell, and i'm not going to take it anymore!" in whatever realm(s) of control they can manage to do that in. stringless has a new favorite as of 15:07 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Deus Ex is just a loving documentary at this point, I desperately want the Q people to get a hold of it because they would literally just explode if they ever played it.
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Is cyberpunk a setting or not?
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Hihohe posted:Is cyberpunk a setting or not? some settings are cyberpunk. Cyberpunk 2020 is a TTRPG system and setting which is cyberpunk. Cyberpunk 2077 is a videogame based on Cyberpunk 2020 that is questionably cyberpunk.
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What about cybersex?
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Cyberpunk 2020 turned out to be a lot shittier than that game predicted
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No Transhumanist Scotsman
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My favorite part of the game was where I was driving down the street and Johnny Mnemonic sighs and goes "man... I sure am tired of all these cyber punks"
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the existence of the situation is very consistent with cyberpunk; forcing the player to be complicit in the situation is not
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Ah yes the classic girl’s name “Root”
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I've seen this posted twice now but I don't want to let this person's dumbness overshadow their correctness. See https://caroljadams.com/spom-the-book which is really good.
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Is fiberpunk a thing or is that the same as treepunk?
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Libelpunk
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xtal posted:I've seen this posted twice now but I don't want to let this person's dumbness overshadow their correctness. See https://caroljadams.com/spom-the-book which is really good. um only female cows give milk, is the joke
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boar guy posted:um That was the part I said was dumb
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LordSaturn posted:the existence of the situation is very consistent with cyberpunk; forcing the player to be complicit in the situation is not The game doesn't force you to be complicit in the situation. I'm not sure where the idea there are mandatory cop missions came from, but they're not in the game.
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Mokotow posted:Ah yes the classic girl’s name “Root” Maybe they're a huge fan of Person of Interest Is Person of Interest cyberpunk?
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dialhforhero posted:What about cybersex? "cyber-sex" was perfected in 1992's The Lawnmower Man 
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boar guy posted:um Apart from Root 
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Aramoro posted:The game doesn't force you to be complicit in the situation. I'm not sure where the idea there are mandatory cop missions came from, but they're not in the game. Yeah, it’s easier if you get the rewards for going along with the oppressive system, but when isn’t that the case? There’s an item you can get early on the game whose description is basically “you can say anything in Japanese and it sounds fancy”. They knew what they were doing when they pulled the thread of Cyberpunk 2020’s exotic-and-dominant-Japan framing through to 2077. V mocking Jackie’s provincial food tastes near the opening is just another piece of that.
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omg go argue about the bad video game in the games forum
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Pastry of the Year posted:"cyber-sex" was perfected in 1992's The Lawnmower Man I love how they meticulously give the actors picture credit for a frame of pure CGI that doesn't picture the actors in any way. Perhaps they have a policy of crediting voice actors for animated productions, and figured this was close enough to count.
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I'm just going to come out and say that if you didn't build V to look like Bill S Preston you're an absolute fool. This goes for me as well because I didn't even think about that until just now.
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zakharov posted:omg go argue about the bad video game in the games forum
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the IOSM is coming from within the thread
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:My dumb. Are you just totally unfamiliar with post-punk, or making some dumb not-real-punk distinction here? They don't put 80's/90's Black Flag in cyberpunk because by the 80's there was a whole host of electronic and experimental music that was inspired/had spun off of 70's punk. New Wave, industrial, even ska shows up in cyberpunk media a lot.
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Cyberpunk is so last decade, meanwhile I'm sitting over here waiting for someone to make a punkpunk game
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Has anyone done DunkPunk yet or is that just Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden.
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