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Natural 20 posted:Spoilers for Azure Moon. The issue isn't with Dimitri but with Byleth and the rest of the supporting cast who do jack poo poo to reign him in.
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Dec 24, 2020 18:50
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Hunt11 posted:The issue isn't with Dimitri but with Byleth and the rest of the supporting cast who do jack poo poo to reign him in. Faerghus needs its king.
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Dec 24, 2020 18:57
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I'm going with the assumption that the war was the more pressing issue, nobody was getting through talking to him, and regicide would have been detrimental to the push forward.
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Dec 24, 2020 19:26
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The issue with that route is that in the end once you’ve put down Thales without knowing who he was, it becomes a clash of ideologies, where Dimitri’s position is that Edelgard’s revolution is unnecessary because the people already have the power to overthrow an unjust ruler. This is kind of undermined by the death cult half of the campaign. If the Blue Lions had actually managed to restrain him in any way, the case might be made, but Edelgard isn’t even wrong in the storyline where she turns into a literal monster to stop you.
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Dec 24, 2020 19:50
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After burning out hard on my third route for months, I finally went back and finished Verdant Wind. I think I'm done with the game for a long time, maybe I'll come back and do Silver Snow at some point or do a second Crimson Flower run, but overall I'm happy to be done with the Monastery. I feel like I'd go CF > VW > AM. I like Verdant Wind a lot but there are quite a few unsolved bits at the end, and I got pretty tired of hearing 'javelins of light'. Also probably my least favourite final map of the three. CF is also the shortest which was a bit of a welcome after getting tired of the monastery runs. Other bits that happened over my three playthroughs: * As far as students go, I always ended up recruiting Ferdinand, Bernadetta, Dorothea, Sylvain, Ingrid, Ignatz and Raphael. Sylvain and Ingrid though weren't because I especially liked them but because they had really easy requirements. * Marriages were to Dorothea (CF), Dedue (AM) and Raphael (VW). Probably should have done Claude in VW and then Raphael in SS, but I was burned out enough. * My dancers were Petra (CF), Dorothea (AM) and Raphael (VW). * Caspar was the only character other than Jeritza that never got an A support by the end. Probably because I never recruited him outside of CF and didn't use him much even in CF. * I got Manuela to Bolting exactly once. Decent results but not sure if it was worth the slog and she's just not a great character either way.
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Dec 28, 2020 04:44
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ApplesandOranges posted:After burning out hard on my third route for months, I finally went back and finished Verdant Wind. I think I'm done with the game for a long time, maybe I'll come back and do Silver Snow at some point or do a second Crimson Flower run, but overall I'm happy to be done with the Monastery. Manuela is great as a Trickster, but it requires the DLC. Also, Raph as a dancer, lol.
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Dec 28, 2020 18:04
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Manuela has warp access, nuff said.
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Dec 28, 2020 18:09
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Rochallor posted:I think it works a lot better than Flayn than with any of the other dragons simply because Flayn is so terrible at pretending to be one of the teens. On the subject of Flayn end cards, Flayn/Byleth in Silver Snow is great, because they basically look at each other and go "We need to name a successor, because we're both going to live forever and we don't want to cause another Rhea situation." Then they gently caress off and live in a villa on the west coast fish till the end of time.
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Dec 28, 2020 20:18
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Jade Mage posted:On the subject of Flayn end cards, Flayn/Byleth in Silver Snow is great, because they basically look at each other and go "We need to name a successor, because we're both going to live forever and we don't want to cause another Rhea situation." That sounds like how I want to finish my playthrough I've been avoiding because I don't want to take the Crimson Flower route quite yet. Good looking out!
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Dec 29, 2020 06:46
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Does the DLC for this game ever go on sale? $24.99 seems a little steep for what you get.
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Dec 29, 2020 20:03
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Ogmius815 posted:Does the DLC for this game ever go on sale? $24.99 seems a little steep for what you get. You get four new characters with their own supports, a whole slew of missions, more story, more free equipment, an accessory that lets Byleth counter from any range, regardless of class, and access to four strong classes that cover the weakness of the prior classes they're made up of? Besides, it's rare that first party Nintendo titles and DLC's ever go on sale.
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Dec 30, 2020 02:16
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Doc Dee posted:an accessory that lets Byleth counter from any range, regardless of class That thing applies to anyone
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Dec 30, 2020 02:42
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Most of the DLC stuff is pretty minor, or things I don't use to keep the difficulty tuned how I like. However the side story maps are very fun if you are interested in a challenge. That was definitely time well spent, and I am glad I bought the DLC for that alone. The price is pretty steep though-- anyone who is on a tight videogame budget would be better off putting that money towards another game. The classes are a lot of fun to play around with too. I liked the characters okay but there's so many students already that I don't really care about them, especially because of that map where your house units are automatically deployed. It makes it hard to use them all and if you don't use them all, their supports are very limited. I used all four on CF to avoid that issue.
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Dec 30, 2020 03:31
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I like the stuff in the DLC but I think its legitimate to feel its not worth the price over all. I think the main thing in trying to figure out is to calculate how many replays you think its likely to encourage you to play because the thing about game prices and value is always how many hours of entertainment you're getting per dollar. If you think the four classes and characters will be enough to get another full replay of one of the main routes on top of playing the DLC story itself at least once it can be worth getting but if its not going to even do that for you I think its probably not worth it.
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Dec 30, 2020 03:51
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You'd think that by the time I started my NG+ Maddening run I'd remember to get mission assistance early on when my house can only fill up 9/10 unit spots. Apparently not.
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Dec 30, 2020 05:21
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Doc Dee posted:You get four new characters with their own supports, a whole slew of missions, more story, more free equipment, an accessory that lets Byleth counter from any range, regardless of class, and access to four strong classes that cover the weakness of the prior classes they're made up of? $24.99 is almost half a whole other game dude. I’m not stingy either I gladly paid out for the BotW DLC pass. But $24.99 for a short bonus campaign, four characters (when there are already so many I can’t use them all), and some lose items? I think pass. Maybe if I find myself actually replaying the game for a third or fourth time I’ll feel differently.
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Dec 30, 2020 08:41
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Poor Anna. Not even worth a mention.
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Dec 30, 2020 09:37
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AlternateNu posted:Manuela is great as a Trickster, but it requires the DLC. He's got more than enough bulk to stand in the frontline and use Sword Avo or just his natural fists. Probably not the worst Dancer ever as long as you accept that he's never gonna heal well.
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Dec 30, 2020 09:45
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Personally I really like the DLC (bought it after my first playthrough so I think I'll squeak 3 whole playthroughs out of the DLC characters and classes before I'm done with the game) but yeah 25 bucks is quite steep. It helps that I adore Yuri, Balthus and Constance and can't imagine playing the game without them now, and the war cleric allows you to do some goofy poo poo with f!Byleth's and other ladies' proficiency in brawling that you otherwise don't get much use of, but yeah.
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Dec 30, 2020 10:31
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Ogmius815 posted:$24.99 is almost half a whole other game dude. I’m not stingy either I gladly paid out for the BotW DLC pass. But $24.99 for a short bonus campaign, four characters (when there are already so many I can’t use them all), and some lose items? I think pass. Maybe if I find myself actually replaying the game for a third or fourth time I’ll feel differently. The pricing is pretty balls for what it is, yes. But that has been an accurate description of it ever since intsys started doing DLC. It probably won't change while people still buy the stuff 
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Dec 30, 2020 11:34
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the three houses dlc is the best dlc theyve ever done, in that the gameplay is actually fun for its own sake rather than a thing you go through to unlock whatever the rewards are, or to see dialogue
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Dec 30, 2020 12:00
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:The issue with that route is that in the end once you’ve put down Thales without knowing who he was, it becomes a clash of ideologies, where Dimitri’s position is that Edelgard’s revolution is unnecessary because the people already have the power to overthrow an unjust ruler. This is kind of undermined by the death cult half of the campaign. If the Blue Lions had actually managed to restrain him in any way, the case might be made, but Edelgard isn’t even wrong in the storyline where she turns into a literal monster to stop you. That's not really what the idealogical conflict is about. The central conflict is "Is an ideal worth killing a shitload of people for?". It's hammered home repeatedly that Dmitri is sickened by needless death, and he sees war as the ultimate expression of getting a lot of uninvolved people killed, because it's literally impossible to wage a war without needless death. Edelgard on the other hand can best be summed up by that Mark Twain quote. Their fundamental difference is that of deaths now vs future death's if the status quo continues. Their character flaws that they have to overcome on their respective routes are only thinking about the future vs only thinking about the now.
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Dec 31, 2020 01:10
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It is possible that I'm reading a bit too much into Dimitri's closing line of "Do you not believe in the power of people to join together and rise up? Humans are weak creatures. But they are also creatures who help each other, support each other, and together, find the right path," since most of the rest of the chat focuses on active vs. passive suffering, but that line is a real stinker.
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Dec 31, 2020 01:29
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And I would add that Edelgard's flaw isn't really focusing too much on the future, but being afraid to trust anyone. She's afraid to ask for help because she understands if she trusts the wrong person, she will be betrayed and killed. So the big character growth moment is when, despite being lied to and having every reason to think Edelgard is the villain, Byleth reaches out her hand and joins her side.
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Dec 31, 2020 01:44
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Eimi posted:And I would add that Edelgard's flaw isn't really focusing too much on the future, but being afraid to trust anyone. She's afraid to ask for help because she understands if she trusts the wrong person, she will be betrayed and killed. So the big character growth moment is when, despite being lied to and having every reason to think Edelgard is the villain, Byleth reaches out her hand and joins her side. Even that can be read as her focusing so much on what she needs to accomplish in the future she can't bring herself to take certain kinds of risks (like trusting others in the present) that would have saved her a lot of grief. Her moniker in FEH is "The Future" after all. I think her (well-justified) paranoia and future focused tunnel vision are two halves of the same coin. The same experiences that make her so secretive and untrusting are the same that make her care so much about long term radical change.
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Dec 31, 2020 03:23
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galagazombie posted:Even that can be read as her focusing so much on what she needs to accomplish in the future she can't bring herself to take certain kinds of risks (like trusting others in the present) that would have saved her a lot of grief. Her moniker in FEH is "The Future" after all. I think her (well-justified) paranoia and future focused tunnel vision are two halves of the same coin. The same experiences that make her so secretive and untrusting are the same that make her care so much about long term radical change. Perhaps! Though I think her moniker being The Future is a direct reference to Sothis, as The Beginning. I will always be sad we lost out on part 2 Sothis because I really want to hear her commentary on CF, if only to confirm or debunk my own personal theory that CF is the route she would have wanted.
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Dec 31, 2020 03:31
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It's also funny that Claude is lauded as a schemer and looking to ferret out secrets but he has no issues with trusting Byleth and his own allies. You'd think that if an emotionless robot his own age suddenly became his teacher replacement he'd be looking into it immediately. Honestly, I like the Verdant Wind route but Claude always just feels like a speedbump on the other two routes.
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Dec 31, 2020 03:51
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He lacked a good third position to oppose Edelgard and Dimitri. I think it would've been better if instead of having to deal with him, you'd recruit him on your route, and his route would just be choosing between El and Dimitri or something. It's a shame cause Claude has a lot potential but he never lives up to. Even Yuri does the untrustworthy schemer much better.
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Dec 31, 2020 03:54
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Claude's route should have been about him dealing with foreign shenanigans. Like he's got a cousin or half-brother back home in Almyra aiming to take the throne and conquer Fodlan now that it's distracted and spent. And you have to zip around the other continents like Morfis, Sreng and Dagda to keep them from getting any funny ideas. It even let's him be the "schemer" since you can write him as playing all these places off each other to keep them from pouncing on Fodlan.
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Dec 31, 2020 10:09
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Ultimately I feel like Claude would have worked better as a genuine third party in a three-way war. Not just a target for Edelgard and collateral damage for Dimitri, but somebody who sees Edelgard pull of her plan and say "well, if not now, when?" and invade both the Empire and the Kingdom to achieve his own goals (possibly pressured by outside forces such as a temporary truce with Almyra which forces him to commit to his plan before he is fully ready). It would require some rewriting of his motivations but I still think it could have worked, and would have avoided the weirdness surrounding the battle of Gronder Field where there needs to be a contrived misunderstanding to pull off the three-way battle.
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Dec 31, 2020 10:55
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yeah the big issue is claude feels entirely tertiary to both characters. despite his status as a schemer and planner, and 'untrustworthy,' in terms of his actual actions he comes across as the one most concerned with upholding the status quo. you'd either have to rewrite his route completely or rewrite claude completely to make it work. in general i think two routes is plenty to work with and every misstep both fates and three houses makes comes down to the workload and complexities of writing three instead. even if you look at the central concept of three houses, its inspiration from fe4, edelgard is arvis, demitri is sigurd, and claude is... ???
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Dec 31, 2020 11:00
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Frankly I think Dimitri is ultimately more "superfluous" than Claude ends up being. It's just AM is so laser-focused on him and his issues that it spills over and becomes easy to forget that he is utterly irrelevant on two of the routes and on CF Rhea is still way more important and he's just a stepping stone. Claude may vanish on SS but he at least drops off troops via Judith, shows up twice on AM, and on CF has the same amount of maps compared to where Dimitri is. His route's just more muddled because it's a more sensible copy of SS.
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Dec 31, 2020 13:40
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Sure, he shows up more in CF, but that's more wasted potential and ultimately feels like filler. even in that very short route. You never feel like theres a good reason to fight, especially when hes perfectly happy to gently caress off and see how Els war pans out. Like if Claudes stuff was cut and instead rewritten for more focus on Faerghus nothing of value would be lost.
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Dec 31, 2020 16:47
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Ok but claude is the hot one E: vvvvv yeah exactly it's good QuickbreathFinisher fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Dec 31, 2020 |
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Dec 31, 2020 17:12
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His route entirely gets by on the fact that he's charismatic and fun, yes.
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Dec 31, 2020 18:09
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McTimmy posted:Frankly I think Dimitri is ultimately more "superfluous" than Claude ends up being. It's just AM is so laser-focused on him and his issues that it spills over and becomes easy to forget that he is utterly irrelevant on two of the routes and on CF Rhea is still way more important and he's just a stepping stone. Claude may vanish on SS but he at least drops off troops via Judith, shows up twice on AM, and on CF has the same amount of maps compared to where Dimitri is. His route's just more muddled because it's a more sensible copy of SS. like if you want to make this comparison: dimitri gets his character fully and completely explored on his own route. claude? ehhh, kinda?
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Jan 1, 2021 00:28
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The real problem is that Claude doesn't actually have a route. They ran out of time and were forced to have him run through a hastily and barely reworked Silver Snow. I can believe the devs totally had an actual route and story that actually made him important in the way Dimitri and Edelgard are planned out in broad strokes, but crunch time came and it turns out 4 routes takes a lot of work. We know SS was in development first and CF only became a full route when they realized that they had accidentally made their sympathetic villain so correct people would prefer siding with her than against her. I hypothesize that suddenly having to put resources onto CF was what made the Deer the "extra" route. tl;dr: Edelgard killed Claude.
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Jan 1, 2021 01:22
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Three Houses got split into three / four routes precisely because some staff at Koei Tecmo thought it'd be cool if you could side with Edelgard in the first place and it snowballed from there. I think its perfectly feasible to have done all of the routes if they were cohesively planned out from the start but that's not really what happened its definitely a tangled mess in ways because of this. Claude's route is mostly missing internal Alliance politics, not grand set pieces or continent hopping. I'd much rather see his route be one where his Almyran heritage is revealed during the timeskip and he gets voted out as head of the Alliance due to racism but is still heir to his family holdings, and has to navigate the internal politics of the Alliance alongside his old classmates over Edelgard's war and relations with Almyra before working up to confronting her directly and even still facing off against resurrected Nemesis
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Jan 1, 2021 01:46
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Amppelix posted:ok but who cares how superfluous anything is or how many appearances they make or whatever when the point people are trying to make is that it feels like the story doesn't really give claude the time of day while it extremely does give that time to dimitri and edelgard Me. I care. That's why I posted it.
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Should have kicked out the worthless church route.
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