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Dec 10, 2020 15:57
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At least Rika is doing something now! It's been a while since I played through the sound novels, but I recall the "Teppei comes back" scenario being the one Rika found the most hopeless, so that kinda explains why she's been so passive this chapter until she realised Keiichi remembered killing Teppei. Not sure why Ooishi got the cicada treatment, but I did very much think they were going to pan to either Satoko's dead body, or Teppei having been pushed out of a window. also it's definitely Bern's origin story and I cannot wait for Featherine to show up
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Dec 10, 2020 17:09
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just toss Erika in there next arc to confuse everyone and really gently caress things up
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Dec 10, 2020 17:23
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Regarding the Bernkastel talk, if I haven't played Umineko yet, but plan to, should I stop watching this? Very pleased to see characters being more proactive this time, even if it just means we get alt-Minagoroshi instead of alt-Tatarigoroshi. At least it means the assumption that arcs will be handled differently after this one seems to be correct.
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Dec 10, 2020 17:33
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Sinteres posted:Regarding the Bernkastel talk, if I haven't played Umineko yet, but plan to, should I stop watching this? Very pleased to see characters being more proactive this time, even if it just means we get alt-Minagoroshi instead of alt-Tatarigoroshi. At least it means the assumption that arcs will be handled differently after this one seems to be correct. Hm. No, I think you should be fine. There are a few characters in Umineko who physically resemble Higurashi characters, but there are very few actual references, it's mostly easter eggs for people who've played both. Spoiler for people who have played Umineko: it's been a while but Featherine is definitely suspicious from the get go, right? She only goes full villain towards the end, but she's never really presented as trustworthy IIRC, so I think "Featherine is an rear end in a top hat" doesn't really spoil Umineko as such. Please correct me if I'm misremembering though.
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Dec 10, 2020 17:52
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mycelia posted:Not sure why Ooishi got the cicada treatment, but I did very much think they were going to pan to either Satoko's dead body, or Teppei having been pushed out of a window. Oishi is really good at making Keiichi paranoid, and a paranoid Keiichi is the last thing they'd want if they want to finish this route with no murders
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Dec 10, 2020 22:09
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Ignis posted:Oishi is really good at making Keiichi paranoid, and a paranoid Keiichi is the last thing they'd want if they want to finish this route with no murders ah gently caress good point
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Dec 10, 2020 22:18
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Since first three arcs will take half of the whole run, does that mean that they'll skip some in the future or that the arcs after that are shorter? I'm asking because I'm reading the novel more or less simultaneously with anime and I wonder if I should pick up the pace
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Dec 10, 2020 23:22
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mycelia posted:also it's definitely Bern's origin story and I cannot wait for Featherine to show up macabresca posted:Since first three arcs will take half of the whole run, does that mean that they'll skip some in the future or that the arcs after that are shorter? I'm asking because I'm reading the novel more or less simultaneously with anime and I wonder if I should pick up the pace
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Dec 10, 2020 23:43
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Nate RFB posted:I have literally no idea why people are coming to this conclusion after this episode. Not just this episode, people have been speculating that since episode 2's opening. It doesn't make much sense for Featherine to be in the intro otherwise. It doesn't mean it 100% is - I was exaggerating - but it seems likely. That or Featherine is just loving around with Showa 58 again for Reasons, which isn't impossible. To me it's more interesting if it is. That's all I meant by it.
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Dec 11, 2020 01:20
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if this all just turned out to be some auxiliary story connecting the When They Cry Universe without actually saying anything on its own as a story that would be the most boring thing possible to me
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Dec 11, 2020 01:31
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The Colonel posted:if this all just turned out to be some auxiliary story connecting the When They Cry Universe without actually saying anything on its own as a story that would be the most boring thing possible to me aren't there already like two Higurashi OVAs that are exactly that
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Dec 11, 2020 01:34
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macabresca posted:Since first three arcs will take half of the whole run, does that mean that they'll skip some in the future or that the arcs after that are shorter? I'm asking because I'm reading the novel more or less simultaneously with anime and I wonder if I should pick up the pace A lot of the stuff in today's episode is from the 7th VN arc. The current assumption is that this will be the last arc that follows close parallels, and once that's out the window, pretty much anything from the original series could be spoiled at any time. I'd really just put this on pause until you finish the VNs.
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Dec 11, 2020 01:43
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:aren't there already like two Higurashi OVAs that are exactly that i only watched rei and the killing dice arc is like. kinda something that works into that i guess. but it's also an adaptation of a short story released on a fandisc a bit after the original vns ended and isn't really built as an umineko prequel or anything. besides that i, also do in fact have mixed feelings on lots of the extended higurashi material after the original vns including things like the console arcs
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Dec 11, 2020 01:49
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mycelia posted:Not just this episode, people have been speculating that since episode 2's opening. It doesn't make much sense for Featherine to be in the intro otherwise. It doesn't mean it 100% is - I was exaggerating - but it seems likely. That or Featherine is just loving around with Showa 58 again for Reasons, which isn't impossible. Tuxedo Catfish posted:aren't there already like two Higurashi OVAs that are exactly that
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Dec 11, 2020 02:20
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It's nice to see Rika being more proactive but I have no idea what is going on with her if she remembers things from OG Higurashi why is she only now attempting to overturn fate and utilise the power of friendship? Other than that is how it went in Minagoroshi-hen. If she doesn't remember anything from OG Higurashi we haven't had anything akin to Tsumihoroboshi to y'know inspire her to believe that fate can be overturned and friendship is magic Anyhoo, my current theory is that there is a Witch of TV Tropes or something loving about undermining Friendship and Miracles, because they hate good storytelling
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Dec 11, 2020 17:55
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Just gonna spitball some thoughts - So far in Gou the arcs are playing out exactly as the surface level interpretation of events during a first read of Higurashi: Rena is out to kill Keiichi Mion is the killer Even though initially 'the true nature of everything' is not as it would appear. Chapter 3 can't really follow this pattern with Keiichi not off to murderize a mahou Hojou, so what would I expect? The obvious is despair and Rika's hopes getting crushed. That's a given. I want Ryukishi07's involvement to continue to subvert expectations at this point but nah, not going to happen. prove me wrong motherfucker I''m still not cool with how Onikakushi concluded this season. If Featherine is involved, which yeah that silhouette in the OP looks like her, then it jumps into a convoluted web of meta nonsense into Bernkastel Begins. I'd still love it but have a lingering doubt that's the case. Following the pattern of 'poo poo plays out as it seems' now with Satoko, I'm anticipating a 'twist' in that she's either dead by the time anyone can do anything, or she kills Teppei herself. First time reading I totally expected an arc of death traps from her eventually, which is a really stupid take but Gou seems to be running with those.
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Dec 12, 2020 08:51
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While a cameo or two would be cute, I really hope the series isn't going to jump whole-hog into Umineko's metaworld. It was awesome in the context of the kind of story Umineko was telling, but Higurashi neither needs nor benefits from going to much into the metanarrative that Uminkeo's arcs were built on. (Which followed a very different logic from Higurashi even if there are connections between them.)
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Dec 12, 2020 19:07
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mycelia posted:Spoiler for people who have played Umineko: it's been a while but Featherine is definitely suspicious from the get go, right? She only goes full villain towards the end, but she's never really presented as trustworthy IIRC, so I think "Featherine is an rear end in a top hat" doesn't really spoil Umineko as such. Please correct me if I'm misremembering though. What? Featherine never goes "full villain." She's just a sort of "neutral/amoral" figure due to being fundamentally "separate" from the events transpiring as an author (since she's basically "higher level" relative to folks like Bernkastel/Lambdadelta in the same way they're "higher level" than people like meta-Battler/Beato, though all of this is also only in relation to the "meta" events; there isn't really a straight-forward plot arc in Umineko with a villain in the same vein as Higurashi. That being said, it's true that there's no real risk of spoilers there. Anything potentially mentioned about that character in this isn't really going to spoil anything in Umineko since none of the core mysteries are really related to that.
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Dec 13, 2020 07:21
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Seemed to be the convincing of the elders played straight. If there's going to be any major twist beyond a shift to Minagoroshi, it's happening in the last episode, again.
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Dec 17, 2020 15:59
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Nothing really new there, but it was still fun to see one of the most satisfying moments of the whole series animated since I've only read the VNs before. I wouldn't be shocked if the twist here is that one or both of Satoko or Teppei are dead by the time our heroes are ready to save her. We might be ready to get a first real hint about what's going on in the big picture too, since that's basically how the third arc of the original series ended.
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Dec 17, 2020 17:21
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Satoko and Teppei didn't even show up this episode, I have no faith that they'll be ok in the next one edit: keiichi, present your rear end to the screen: 
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Dec 17, 2020 17:29
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It's a little funny how "I hope the show will do right by the pacing and not go through the question and answer arcs in two cours" has turned into "let's just speed run the question and answer arcs simultaneously in one cour".
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Dec 18, 2020 04:11
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I dunno what the narrative goal is yet but its certainly the only logical progression for a rika with memories in this world
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Dec 18, 2020 04:33
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Nate RFB posted:It's a little funny how "I hope the show will do right by the pacing and not go through the question and answer arcs in two cours" has turned into "let's just speed run the question and answer arcs simultaneously in one cour". I think it's pretty reasonable for people's expectations to change once we knew it was a sequel, and to be impatient even with the pace we're getting. I do think people would have been more bored with a straight remake that took more time than a lot of us realized at the time, though my perspective may be biased by having read the VNs very recently, whereas a lot of people's experience with the series could have been a number of years ago. Still, expanding on the arcs would have probably required a bigger focus on the slice of life stuff, and that seems to be one of the most divisive things about the series. I think it adds meaning to the rest, but a lot of people seem to view it as boring homework before getting to the good stuff.
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Dec 18, 2020 11:01
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i think that view is just born out of how much the original anime skips in favor of portraying the story as a bloody slasher flick until like, chapter 6. i think there are definitely ways you could shave down higurashi's pacing, ryukishi's writing always kinda lingers on some things longer than it needs to, but the original anime's approach didn't so much pare things down as it did chop out everything important those scenes established and give a weird impression of what the story is about, and that approach ultimately just kind of put them in an extra awkward position for s2 when they actually had to go back and adapt a lot of the things they skipped over ultimately though i have just kind of accepted that basically nothing past the original release of the vn can recapture the way that first half comes off, its horror is too reliant on how vague its presentation is and the moment you go beyond just describing things in text things always get a bit uneven to me. even some of the cgs added in console releases of the vn end up just looking, weird. so i'll just be happy that the old anime's covering of chapters 7 and 8 is like the best animated treatment those parts could ever get in contrast The Colonel fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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Dec 18, 2020 17:27
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I mostly just think it's weird how we're just in this more or less straight up Minagoroshi arc, a story that was entirely notable because of its juxtaposition to not only to Tatarigoroshi but all of the other arcs as well. So we've skipped basically of the reasons Keiichi giving Oryou poo poo would've been such a big deal. Like ostensibly the idea with all of these arcs is that they are the Question arc issues presented with the "solutions" gleaned from the Answer arcs except, surprise they didn't actually solve anything this time around for ~reasons~ which may or may not pay off but until then it makes episodes like this feel largely wasteful.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:51
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Nate RFB posted:I mostly just think it's weird how we're just in this more or less straight up Minagoroshi arc, a story that was entirely notable because of its juxtaposition to not only to Tatarigoroshi but all of the other arcs as well. So we've skipped basically of the reasons Keiichi giving Oryou poo poo would've been such a big deal. Yeah that's the worst of both worlds aspect of the way they handled this. None of this is going to mean anything or come off as coherent to people who haven't experienced the original, and it's super repetitive for people who have. Like I said before, I enjoyed this specific episode because there's novelty in seeing arguably the highpoint of the series animated after having only read the VNs before, but there have been others that have been pretty boring because the expectation has been set that this is different and many episodes are basically straight retellings. On the plus side, I think this is the last episode of the series that'll be that way. I could be wrong, but I expect next week's episode to diverge even more than the other arc endings have, and then to be in new territory from there.
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Dec 18, 2020 18:52
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I feel the biggest weakness is that it is hewing too close to the original arcs by having almost exclusively having Keiichi as the point of view character, episode 2 opens with Rika going "Dang I gotta solve and escape this new puzzle" followed by 11 episodes of seeing very little of what she's thinking or doing, why was she so passive in the first arc? Why was she a doomer in the second? What changed that lead her to being so confident in this arc, while seemingly doing little to confront the over-arching threat?
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Dec 19, 2020 19:25
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Congratulations! Satoko comes to Watanagashi just fine! And then serious spoilers TEPPEI(?) TRIES TO KILL KEIICHI!? BUT KEIICHI KILLS HIM BACK IN DEFENSE!? AND NOW EVERYONE IS DEAD BESIDES HIM AND RENA? IS IT AUTUMN? WHAT JUST HAPPENED!? Oh well, Nekodamashi next, have fun~
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Dec 24, 2020 16:07
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WTF HAPPENED WHY NEKODAMASHI???
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Dec 24, 2020 18:00
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That was odd.
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Dec 24, 2020 19:47
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Big Scary Owl posted:WTF HAPPENED WHY
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Dec 24, 2020 20:39
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I completely forgot about the existence of Nekogoroshi when I made that post, wonder if it'll be a spin on that or just change into something completely different
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Dec 24, 2020 20:42
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Big Scary Owl posted:I completely forgot about the existence of Nekogoroshi when I made that post, wonder if it'll be a spin on that or just change into something completely different
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Dec 24, 2020 20:46
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Elephant Parade posted:Huh. I only played the VN, so I didn't even know about it Additionally it was never licensed for the US so there’s another barrier to access for a lot of people.
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Dec 24, 2020 20:59
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Dec 24, 2020 23:10
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Man these arc endings keep falling completely flat for me. Like instead of feeling like a tragic ending or even a mysterious one or whatever, the last five episodes just feel like a total waste of time now.
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Dec 25, 2020 01:54
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So are the scenes with that flickering effect actually happening, or just Keiichi going crazy? Because Teppei coming back and killing Keiichi with the bat (that should have been at the school?) makes even less sense than Satoko doing it, and that first swing looked like it came from below Keiichi,  while Teppei is huge and should have hit him from above like this 
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Dec 25, 2020 01:59
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Elephant Parade posted:Huh. I only played the VN, so I didn't even know about it  Thanks When They Cry Wiki...
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