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Victory Position posted:sometimes I think about the standing armies that Coca-Cola and Nestlé have are they internal standing armies or just standing contracts with specialists like Securitas or Pinkertons?
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corporate standing armies were promised and are another factor that the future has not delivered, cyberpunk is retro then again capital is mediocre in competence and imagination in this age
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i think i might try to re-read capital this coming year. last time i tried to read it was ages ago and i only got thru the first volume. i read it alongside the david harvey lectures on youtube. it anyone has any other good resources for reading/studying capital please post them here, thanks
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dead gay comedy forums posted:corporate standing armies were promised and are another factor that the future has not delivered, cyberpunk is retro Shadowrun accurately predicted that corporate standing armies would generally be contracted out, with a few rare exceptions Still no contemporary analog of the Renraku Red Samurai, who were conditioned from childhood to be elite bodyguards for the C Suite of their company. Give Bezos a couple of decades and we'll see, though
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I mean this stuff was less a prediction than just a reflection and amplification of concerns that "corporations are getting too powerful" by giving them effectively sovereign power, an exaggeration for effect.
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i don't actually think corporations can simply replace the repressive functions of the state with hired muscle, though. in fact the opposite process is what gave us modern government police forces
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:are they internal standing armies or just standing contracts with specialists like Securitas or Pinkertons? from what I remember, they're basically mercenaries on contract with them, as in India, but at this point in time, I couldn't tell you if they're non-official divisions of their regional offices or not Ferrinus posted:i don't actually think corporations can simply replace the repressive functions of the state with hired muscle, though. in fact the opposite process is what gave us modern government police forces and it's mainly because of this. if you're a gun-for-hire, where do your loyalties lie except to the pay that you're given or promised? there always might be someone out there that can offer more or can cut you off for less than nothing Victory Position fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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unbutthurtable posted:And yeah, I don't think it's part of some master plan of Xi's for the imposition of the next phase of communism or whatever...but it's absolutely the smart move given how fickle and unpredictable American administrations are going to be on trade to develop their own consumer base. One thing is makes me wonder is what the implications of having a, basically, less globalized economy will be. When I was in poli sci classes in college it was like a shibboleth (not 100% sure i'm using that term right) that two countries with a significant economic interdependence would go to war. I think the example that was used was that no two countries with McDonald's ever went to war. The PRC moving in a more consumer-focused direction might reduce that interdependence. Could be bullshit, who knows. Xi is still a dengist, with everything that comes with it, but at the same time, the post-Deng Chinese state relates to its capitalists in a different fashion than a traditional neoliberal state. I could see China moving its own syncretic direction where a Leninist state structure is mixed with elements of social democracy, fordism, and neoliberalism together to get the result it wants (GDP growth and eventually becoming the prime reserve currency). I do think there is a clear lineage that goes from Xi to Deng to Mao which is anti-imperialism and that the central debate in the CPC since 1949 has been which cobbled together economic model is able to achieve that goal the most effectively. That said, it does also offer a dilemma for Western leftists, what is more important: domestic reformism, class equality for Westerners, or anti-imperialism. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Victory Position posted:and it's mainly because of this. if you're a gun-for-hire, where do your loyalties lie except to the pay that you're given or promised? there always might be someone out there that can offer more or can cut you off for less than nothing and cooperation between different companies' merc forces is less efficient and more expensive, and having to pay directly out of pocket for your mercs means you also have to raise your prices, and fundamentally your mercs have less legitimacy and therefore less ability to pacify or go ignored by the proles the shadowrun situation is believable only insofar as individual corps become so enormous and all-encompassing that they effectively ARE states unto themselves (and then, it'd be similarly stupid for aztechnology r&d to rely entirely on private mercenaries in its attempts to compete with aztechnology sales)
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Ardennes posted:That said, it does also offer a dilemma for Western leftists, what is more important: domestic reformism, class equality for Westerners, or anti-imperialism. What do you mean by this?
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Centrist Committee posted:What do you mean by this? Is it more important for Western leftists to try to reform the West while retaining its hegemony or to make it the priority to fight its hegemony. You can’t do both. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Finicums Wake posted:i think i might try to re-read capital this coming year. last time i tried to read it was ages ago and i only got thru the first volume. i read it alongside the david harvey lectures on youtube. it anyone has any other good resources for reading/studying capital please post them here, thanks Verso has the book version of Harvey's lectures if that works better for you. I'm reading it for the first time and the book works better for my attention span.
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you can never alienate a goon from the means of producing bad takes
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T-man posted:you can never alienate a goon from the means of producing bad takes 
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T-man posted:you can never alienate a goon from the means of producing bad takes Looking at the geopolitical mechanics of the situation: as long as the West is hegemonic it is doubtful any leftist cause will actually be successful in any serious sense. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Ardennes posted:Is it more important for Western leftists to try to reform the West while retaining its hegemony or to make it the priority to fight its hegemony. You can’t do both. oh cool yeah I just assumed the communist position was that the west as a concept needs to be completely eradicated
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Centrist Committee posted:oh cool yeah I just assumed the communist position was that the west as a concept needs to be completely eradicated western leftists' greatest contribution will be to gum up the treads of the tanks when the time comes
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oh neat i found this thread. read settlers. during covid lockdown i read settlers and sakai is cool and good. read settlers.
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Merry Christmas Eve, officer
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https://twitter.com/comradetoguro/status/1342014217860378626?s=21 lmao
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nearly everyone here
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Flavius Aetass posted:nearly everyone here my muzzle part is blond, I'm unique
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I don’t like stalin and think it’s bad that he killed a bunch of the bolsheviks. I don’t know who the other guy is. cyber bullying also seems not very nice
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stalin did a lot of bad stuff but do you think you would have done a better job given the circumstances
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THS posted:stalin did a lot of bad stuff but do you think you would have done a better job given the circumstances yes
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THS posted:stalin did a lot of bad stuff but do you think you would have done a better job given the circumstances lol
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Trash Ops posted:mao's 70/30 stance on stalin is the most correct one Ah the cowards ratio. Comments like that are worthless unless you say what is in the 30% wrong.
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apropos to nothing posted:I don’t like stalin and think it’s bad that he killed a bunch of the bolsheviks. I don’t know who the other guy is. cyber bullying also seems not very nice its what happens when you let short people into power. take it as a lesson
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Flavius Aetass posted:nearly everyone here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p-lDYPR2P8
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THS posted:stalin did a lot of bad stuff but do you think you would have done a better job given the circumstances I submit my hoi4 USSR playthroughs as evidence that I could in fact win ww2 while not purging and fighting a civil war
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namesake posted:Ah the cowards ratio. if stalin was 100% right i would never have had to see yr fuckin posts 
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Stalin was wrong to stop at the Elbe
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Flavius Aetass posted:nearly everyone here i'm skinny and clean shaven tyvm
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Lady Militant posted:i'm skinny and clean shaven tyvm this is an op
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