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a fatguy baldspot
Aug 29, 2018

is he the guy who lied about having an Asian gf

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/banalplay/status/1342150795165364224?s=19

0 rows returned
Apr 9, 2007

a fatguy baldspot posted:

is he the guy who lied about having an Asian gf

no thats the other fat white youtuber

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

a fatguy baldspot posted:

is he the guy who lied about having an Asian gf

whom amongst us

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

a Loving Dog posted:

taintrunner either give me money or stfu for once

solidarity, now pay me Taintrunner

Protagorean
May 19, 2013

by Azathoth
is it too late to swap taintrunner for taint reaper

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


lmao

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Varinn posted:

you should have to pay fifty dollars to anyone you post at, so they can spend it on more important poo poo than alienware gaming gear and vr headsets. this would do more for leftism than the entirety of everything you've ever posted, you hack

cry more lib

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Judakel posted:

cry more lib

you owe me $2500 bitch

THS
Sep 15, 2017

im pro taintrunner but also pro him giving me $2000

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

THS posted:

im pro taintrunner but also pro him giving me $2000

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

taintrunner and vaush are the same

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Trash Ops posted:

taintrunner and vaush are the same

which one will give me 2000 dollars

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

trash ops, give me 100 dolalrs

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

This made me depressed https://yasha.substack.com/p/a-perfect-end-to-2020-for-the-left

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

it's very funny because looking at our pandemic response and the looming threat of a climate apocalypse wiping out civilization as we know it, he's basically saying to just give up

also jimmy has explicitly said to not give him money at the end of every video, lol.

Taintrunner has issued a correction as of 21:41 on Dec 24, 2020

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Taintrunner posted:

it's very funny because looking at our pandemic response and the looming threat of a climate apocalypse wiping out civilization as we know it, he's basically saying to just give up

no he's saying to build the revolution and treat electoral politics as the secondary drama that it is, or are you telling people VOTE now

the point is that this is largely just a weird internecine media war by irrelevant left podcasts that have no influence to leverage. i would be as happy as anyone if dore and his audience were an actual political constituency right now though

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


I agree but hoo boy making hay out of patreon couch change is dumb

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Yossarian-22 posted:

no he's saying to build the revolution and treat electoral politics as the secondary drama that it is, or are you telling people VOTE now

the problem is that it's so generic and frankly, toothless and intangible that sure, it's easy enough to actually say without actually committing to it. and that he, as well, has a substack, so it's like the pot calling the kettle black here. he also fails to understand that what jimmy is doing is delegitimizing the government through spotlighting the squad's inaction and pushing people towards revolution, and over the past week has made explicit calls for it on his show. it's actually kinda hard to critique jimmy when you don't actually watch his loving show.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Taintrunner posted:

the problem is that it's so generic and frankly, toothless and intangible that sure, it's easy enough to actually say without actually committing to it. and that he, as well, has a substack, so it's like the pot calling the kettle black here. he also fails to understand that what jimmy is doing is delegitimizing the government through spotlighting the squad's inaction and pushing people towards revolution, and over the past week has made explicit calls for it on his show. it's actually kinda hard to critique jimmy when you don't actually watch his loving show.

what is dore doing on a concrete level beyond radicalizing people that the current congress is useless? i don't disagree and it's cool that he's reading lenin but i feel like podcasts have the same problem that the daily show did where they're just ways for people who have the "correct" views to feel self-satisfied in the absence of actually doing anything

i am aware that i am posting in the podcast thread and i still like chapo et. al

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

We Have to Do The Work

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007




like a lot of his writing lately, this makes me alternatively nod in agreement and stare amazed at how he just blows it out his rear end

any attention paid to the patreon poo poo is a distraction a best, willfully misleading at worse. oh my goodness, an astounding EIGHT THOUSAND people chip in a few bucks a month to some podcast hosts, this surely spells the doom of the left!

and while noting that local and state elections and politics are important is good, suggesting a full scale retreat from federal politics sounds like loving suicide. ever heard of federal loving supremacy? enjoy watching all the meager gains you scrape together be bulldozed by some ghouls in dc.

Lady Militant
Apr 8, 2020

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

yasha's probably one of the best writers on the left by a long shot. huge lol @ people getting mad for him correctly identifying that bernie campaign staffers have done very well for themselves post campaign where the majority of people who support bernie are eating poo poo

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



I think the argument to build power locally vs. media that focuses on DC politics is a false dichotomy. Do your local building, etc., but also relentlessly message that the current political establishment is incapable of governing. Having an alternative media ecosystem to the corporate bullshit seems important. I also think it's good for people to know there are other people in the world who feel the way they do, especially in the face of the atomization that Yasha is talking about.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

writing a substack to complain about patreon is pretty funny as gently caress imo

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


Ben and Max also did a pretty great 2 part series about this same topic.

https://soundcloud.com/moderaterebels/bernie-sanders-campaign-failure-part-1

https://soundcloud.com/moderaterebels/bernie-sanders-brooklyn-media-left-part-2

Protagorean
May 19, 2013

by Azathoth

quote:

So the Bernie “revolution” was a dud and disappeared right in front of our very eyes, while spawning a new prog-left media ecosystem that is very profitable for a few key influencers. Listening to their streams and podcasts — with their entrepreneurial hosts and pundits and panels filled with the same left celebs and climbers and NGO-funded left-liberal experts — it’s like they’ve recreated their own national-level media bubble, a low-rent MSNBC with the same sort of imperatives driving their output: revenue, celebrity, marketing, and the constant need for fear and conflict and hero and evildoer narratives to drive eyeballs and subs.

you can split hairs about how much of a boon or hindrance to building socialism democracy the emergence of the Blogosphere 2.0 is but the fact of the matter's that for all the poo poo Obummer and the Pod Jons and all their ilk have been rightly given from the left for taking all the grassroots progressive energy of the late aughts and burning it off pursuing clout and personal enrichment, it's looking like Bernie's legacy is going to be just that (well I doubt Bernie personally is any richer but you know what I mean) but even smaller and more farcical

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018


quote:

Just a humble media op run by Sanders’ press secretary and a guy who started his media career as a servile member of Glenn Greenwald’s Twitter troll army. Let them eat podcasts!

What does that even mean? You guys like this stuff? You guys read that and thing, "yeah this is good political commentary"? You let that stuff make you sad? What's wrong with you people?

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
This is the big thing I take issue with:

quote:

and the constant need for fear and conflict and hero and evildoer narratives to drive eyeballs and subs.

People are rightfully afraid and in conflict against a ruling class that is actively murdering them. There is no sham in pointing out that reality and providing actual context to it, instead of surrendering it to the neoliberal status quo of republican austerity bad, liberal austerity good.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I love to read about how podcasts are destroying the left.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Gripweed posted:

What does that even mean? You guys like this stuff? You guys read that and thing, "yeah this is good political commentary"? You let that stuff make you sad? What's wrong with you people?

No ex-Exile writer can resist taking cheap shots at their posting enemies; you just gotta let it roll over you

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
Vaush is the guy who made me offically hate debatelords.

a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001

more like a Barking Dog, woof!

Gripweed posted:

I love to read about how podcasts are destroying the left.

yeah I read the thread too

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Gripweed posted:

I love to read about how podcasts are destroying the left.

it's so threadbare that it's true lmao :shepicide:

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

If podcasts could destroy the left then the left was never strong enough to accomplish anything even if podcasts didn't exist.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Gripweed posted:

If podcasts could destroy the left then the left was never strong enough to accomplish anything even if podcasts didn't exist.

it is called "Amber's Dilemma"

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
Podcasts added people to the left too...

Lady Militant
Apr 8, 2020

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Gripweed posted:

I love to read about how podcasts are destroying the left.

how stupid do you need to be to read yasha's entire piece and come away with that lol

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

lmfao

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Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Taintrunner posted:

This is the big thing I take issue with:


People are rightfully afraid and in conflict against a ruling class that is actively murdering them. There is no sham in pointing out that reality and providing actual context to it, instead of surrendering it to the neoliberal status quo of republican austerity bad, liberal austerity good.

the hero/evildoer narrative he's condemning is quite literally the one you're describing but on the left. good squad/bernie vs. evil liberals if you're the typical podcaster, good anti-establishment/third party efforts against everyone else (including bernie/squad) if you are jimmy or brie. now it's good podcasts against bad ones depending on who you stan. felix pointed out cth the other day that this is mostly a media conflict even though he's open to the idea of voting out pelosi

but yeah yasha has tons of beef with glenn greenwald so that more or less explains his bitterness with virgil. his substack has lots of axe grinding. he does good work though

it's hard for me to look at this moment objectively and conclude anything other than that bernie, the squad, and now the online movement to pressure them are all big wet farts that will ultimately amount to nothing and that'swhy i found the piece resonant in spite of his obvious beefs. hopefully that will change if occupy 2.0 happens

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