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Nov 4, 2009

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Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum
As a lore note, the "X From Guyun" weapon ascension items mention that they're fragments of Zhongli's lances that pierced the bodies of other gods and that the essence of those gods seeped into the lances and animate them.

Divine Body From Guyun posted:

That which lurks within and animates this relic are the divine remains of lamenting gods. They are unrealized ideals, designs for a prosperous humanity that could never be. They may now lie deep within stone and sea, but they will not go quietly into the night.
Some of the gods Zhongli fought were merely exiled, but their power was supposedly from the same source as his own. But the ones he killed or sealed seem to have been different, they were the ones with "designs for a prosperous humanity that could never be." If Celestia's designs are basically to lock down humanity and keep it in a cycle that prevents it from ever developing too far, any would-be gods who wanted to see humanity prosperous couldn't be tolerated and Zhongli had to go massacre or hell-seal them away forever. I don't think "could never be" means their designs were impossible; I think it means they couldn't be permitted because the consequences of doing so would be disastrous (at least as Celestia sees it).

Why would humanity becoming prosperous be disastrous? Well, if advancing too far leads to annihilation from some cosmic force, then a cycle of rise and fall is preferable on a pure survival level. What's interesting is that all the suffering in these cycles is apparently too much to the Cryo Archon, the God of Love, and out of love she's doing whatever it is she's doing. Trying to break the cycle to end the suffering? Trying to get humanity annihilated once and for all so they at least won't constantly be toyed with? The top-tier Cryo gemstone, which may be her words, does imply she'd like to see the world burn. But maybe she just wants to tear down the false world to see what the real one is like, and she might not like what she'll find.

EDIT: Also some hosed up Deep Lore in the gacha currency: Acquaint Fates (for the story banner) state that "No matter the distance apart, guided by the stone's glimmer, the fated will meet under the stars." Intertwined Fates (for the special banners) state "Its glimmers can entwine fates and connect dreams, just as how its glimmer links stars into the shapes of a heart's desires." Notably, "dreams" are a key word whenever the lore discusses Khaen'riah, so the better currency reflects the ability to alter fate (and create new links between the stars) while the normal currency just represents the fates that are preordained.

Archonex posted:

For instance, one likely theory is that dragonspine mountain may be one of the ancient civilizations that preceded Khaen'riah being formed that tried to take out Celestia when they realized they had all been earmarked for death. Everything in Dragonspine we see may actually be an example of what happens when Celestia takes the gloves off and uses their reality warping powers to set the "habitability" button for a given region to negative levels. Cue all sorts of crazy poo poo littering the landscape like crystal plants and the like, along with eventually a batshit insane dragon tearing the place up after the humans are all dead, and generally just misery and carnage all around.
I just wanted to point this little lore detail out even though I don't know where it's going: Nothing can live on Dragonspine. The only things that dwell there, in conditions replicating the primordial ice age, are Fatui on expedition and ancient robots. Humans that travel there need to stay constantly warm and fed or they'll freeze to death in minutes.

Oh, but wait. Something does live on Dragonspine. Something dwells on it and has even fully adapted to it, living there like it's no big deal and even bathing in the energy of Cryo-pulsing relics!

Hilichurls.

Nakar fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Dec 25, 2020

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆
Don't forget the foxes and ferrets too!
There are also birds up there circling some of the peaks, but I've never seen a nest or eggs so they're probably just day visitors.

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum
Presumably the ice ages are survivable, because otherwise no one would be alive for the new cycle (unless, of course, Celestia can just seed new humanity on the planet, which is a distinct possibility). So there are creatures that can adapt to it, but it's implied humanity can't. Hilichurls are a sentient species and they can, and in fact they seem to have done so rather quickly, far too fast for evolution to be an explanation. They can also channel elemental power without Visions, so there's definitely some weird poo poo going on with those guys that we'd probably already know about if people just listened to Ella Musk and tried talking to them.

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

Nakar posted:

As a lore note, the "X From Guyun" weapon ascension items mention that they're fragments of Zhongli's lances that pierced the bodies of other gods and that the essence of those gods seeped into the lances and animate them.

Some of the gods Zhongli fought were merely exiled, but their power was supposedly from the same source as his own. But the ones he killed or sealed seem to have been different, they were the ones with "designs for a prosperous humanity that could never be." If Celestia's designs are basically to lock down humanity and keep it in a cycle that prevents it from ever developing too far, any would-be gods who wanted to see humanity prosperous couldn't be tolerated and Zhongli had to go massacre or hell-seal them away forever. I don't think "could never be" means their designs were impossible; I think it means they couldn't be permitted because the consequences of doing so would be disastrous (at least as Celestia sees it).

Why would humanity becoming prosperous be disastrous? Well, if advancing too far leads to annihilation from some cosmic force, then a cycle of rise and fall is preferable on a pure survival level. What's interesting is that all the suffering in these cycles is apparently too much to the Cryo Archon, the God of Love, and out of love she's doing whatever it is she's doing. Trying to break the cycle to end the suffering? Trying to get humanity annihilated once and for all so they at least won't constantly be toyed with? The top-tier Cryo gemstone, which may be her words, does imply she'd like to see the world burn. But maybe she just wants to tear down the false world to see what the real one is like, and she might not like what she'll find.

EDIT: Also some hosed up Deep Lore in the gacha currency: Acquaint Fates (for the story banner) state that "No matter the distance apart, guided by the stone's glimmer, the fated will meet under the stars." Intertwined Fates (for the special banners) state "Its glimmers can entwine fates and connect dreams, just as how its glimmer links stars into the shapes of a heart's desires." Notably, "dreams" are a key word whenever the lore discusses Khaen'riah, so the better currency reflects the ability to alter fate (and create new links between the stars) while the normal currency just represents the fates that are preordained.

I just wanted to point this little lore detail out even though I don't know where it's going: Nothing can live on Dragonspine. The only things that dwell there, in conditions replicating the primordial ice age, are Fatui on expedition and ancient robots. Humans that travel there need to stay constantly warm and fed or they'll freeze to death in minutes.

Oh, but wait. Something does live on Dragonspine. Something dwells on it and has even fully adapted to it, living there like it's no big deal and even bathing in the energy of Cryo-pulsing relics!

Hilichurls.

As an addendum to this, there is a reference to what may be Hilichurls in the lore of Khaen'riah.

When they tried to cast off the shackles of the gods some of the text talks about how the "darkness" (one of those cosmic forces. The other one sounds like it might be the Honkai Entity/Celestial Emperor that gets talked about in HI3 and Genshin in multiple places. Which if I don't have the two backwards brings up the question of what the darkness is.) swept in and corrupted people, forcing them to hide behind the city walls as barbarians ravaged the land outside.

The latter bit sounds an awful lot like the Hilichurls. Who might just be forcibly devolved humans. It might also explain why the Hilichurls seem to be controlled by the Abyss Order so easily. Either the abyss mages are some part of another cycle or civilization that Celestia previously wrecked and are loving pissed at what Celestia has done or they may be directly a part of that darkness and are controlling the Hilichurls in a very hosed up way.

There's evidence to suggest either one, so neither can be said for sure. For instance, we know for a fact that Hilichurls will happily interact peaceably with humans if approached under the right circumstances (Careful approach, gifts, and such. Notably, no abyss mages are in the encounters i've had so far.). That might suggest that some part of their history/culture remembers that humans aren't necessarily the enemy.

The other possibly is far darker. Y'see, Durin was clearly suffering from something that appears to be a late stage Honkai infection. He thought he was playing, having fun, and such like Dvalin and Venti were! Except when he came out of his hallucinations (Another symptom of a bad infection that is about to go full Herrsher.) he awoke to a land that was awash in his poison. Immersed in madness, he didn't realize that he was spewing his scarlet poison on the land until it drowned in it. By the end even he seems to admit in his poem that it's for the best that he "sleeps forever" under the mountain. Probably he realized something had manipulated him. That same poison that drove him insane would then be transferred on to Dvalin, some 500 years later.

It's also notable that Durin is not the gigantic monster dragon whose remains litter parts of Dragonspine. That's an even older monster, an outlander (A name given to people not of Teyvat, I must add. It's possible he is Dainsleif. Which would explain his guilt over the woman he is implied to have failed.) named Imunlaukr slew with a souped up greatsword. How he did this (It's literally the size of a large town or small city, at least. Way bigger than any dragon.) is anyone's guess. But when he was done he raged at Celestia for just murdering everyone and flying away with their middle fingers in the air while he was trying to stop some apocalyptic threat that may or may not have been part of the cause for Celestia deciding that the ancient civilization had to die in the first place. His lore is detailed further in the Sacrificial Greatsword, and holy poo poo is it dark.

Why is this relevant? Well, I mentioned hallucinations and the like. If the Abyss mages are using one of those cosmic forces then it's possible that the times in the past when the Hilichurls go axe crazy on folks may not have been willing. The poor bastards could think they're still being peaceful towards humanity when in reality they're cleaving skulls and burning and pillaging. :stonk:


Also, their masks are interesting. I suspect they have something to do with the calamities of the past. Though I don't have much proof to go off of that yet.


Nakar posted:

Presumably the ice ages are survivable, because otherwise no one would be alive for the new cycle (unless, of course, Celestia can just seed new humanity on the planet, which is a distinct possibility). So there are creatures that can adapt to it, but it's implied humanity can't. Hilichurls are a sentient species and they can, and in fact they seem to have done so rather quickly, far too fast for evolution to be an explanation. They can also channel elemental power without Visions, so there's definitely some weird poo poo going on with those guys that we'd probably already know about if people just listened to Ella Musk and tried talking to them.

I should mention that this isn't necessarily true. If Teyvat really is a HI3 style Ark then it can just print new humans and animals after the current group is wiped out. Hell, it could hypothetically even copy the memories of a deceased human given how the god keys of HI3 work. Ditto for giving out superpowers since the god keys made from Herrsher's in HI3 could do stuff like create and destroy things ex nihilo. Meaning Celestia is decidedly not requisite to running the planet.

Rather, depending on the scale of the destruction in these calamities it's possible that they're just the rear end in a top hat authoritarians that lucked out into getting insane powers first. And then decided to go full gnostic on everyone else for everyone else's own "good" when they realized that they might be at risk of actually having to die to get to that prosperous future the moral archon's wanted.

As for the creating new humans thing? The wish system may literally be doing just that, creating a copy of an existing human (With all the horrifying implications that it has in terms of these cataclysms and the ultimate expendability of the current cast of characters.) for you to use. A single wish literally shows the imagery of the Ark from Honkai Impact, only blue instead.

This makes Celestia even more vile if this is in fact the case. Since it implies they're okay with a cycle of regional or even planetary omnicide to preserve their own kingdom, assuming that there's an actual group of people up there. And the stuff regarding Vanessa being allowed to have a seat in Celestia implies that there is (or was, at least) a nation or governing body of sorts there.

Essentially that'd mean that Celestia is preserving their super tech and vast prosperity in the face of a recurrent Honkai invasion by keeping the rest of humanity in a state of stagnation that inevitably leads to all of the surface dwelling humans being butchered (or devolved into barbaric monsters if Hilichurls are former humans). And when there's no one left to sacrifice to avoid fighting? They could just start the process over again and fly off while other people contain the threat, settle down to form a nation of their own, and unwittingly prepare to meet the butcher's blade. And of course they won't let anyone actually rise up to fight the local Honkai equivalent to drive them out once and for all, since if they failed that could threaten their survival.

Of course, this system is obviously not perfect. If Durin was infected by something that drove him to madness (and he wasn't just insane in the first place. Though that begs the question of just where the hell a dragon that can induce a regional apocalypse could hang out to avoid being attacked in the earlier days of his life) it's decidedly not working. Honkai/whatever it is in Genshin is still there. It's still leveling entire regions. It's just that Celestia doesn't want to actually do anything to get rid of it for good.


Everything I read about Celestia, all the stuff that's implied about it, and all the possibilities that are presented as to what their motivations are makes me think the culmination of the first arc is going to lead to us just burning Celestia to the loving ground. Everything that is confirmed about them and everything that could be is just selfish, arrogant, and evil in the extreme.

I assume if we do actually get to take them out then these two cosmic forces will become the real antagonist in future arcs.

Archonex fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Dec 25, 2020

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Bussamove posted:

Is there just a set amount of the stuff per day or can I conceivably just not sleep and clear out the shop tonight? :v:
merry christmas

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆
It seems like there are more Crimson Agate in the world than just the 70 you need to get to rank 8 on the frostbearing tree. I've found 3 extras already, besides the 5 you get from doing the weekly Crimson Wish missions.

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
Apparently one of the Dragonspine lore books calls out an adventurer with a distinct name, which happens to be the same name as the Abyss Mage in Diluc's quest. 👀

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum
Durin was born insane by whoever created him (presumably someone tied to the Abyss, since the Abyss Order was able to control a corrupted Dvalin). He was told to show his beauty to Monstadt, and he genuinely believed he was doing that right up until Dvalin bit him in the neck and mortally wounded him (this is how Dvalin got infected). Saying he was "infected" is probably a mistake, because Durin wasn't a normal dragon infected like Dvalin but some sort of Abyss Dragon or whatever and the stuff that "corrupted" Dvalin was just Durin's blood. Even once he saw reality for what it was he slipped back into delusion as he died. He never really had a chance, unlike Dvalin who could be purified.

Also Dainsleif isn't the hero who wielded the Snow-Tombed Starsilver. Other item lore says that guy eventually sought out a country in chaos where he could kill things, and he eventually established a tribe within (Old) Monstadt. Basically the hero who slew the Black Dragon (who can't have been Durin because Dvalin killed Durin) arrived back at Dragonspine to find the entire civilization had died while he was away searching for a way to save them, and he was so embittered by it that he decided to spend the rest of his life shooting the middle finger to the gods by committing murder for their amusement, a sort of spiteful irony. None of that matches Dainsleif's lore, other than maybe failing to save a woman; but that could be a thing that plays out over and over throughout history and Dainsleif is just aware of it and motivated by that.

Also the Abyss is probably the darkness against Celestia's (or the radiance or whatever) light. Both are extremely dangerous and it may be the intention of those who have sided with the Abyss to use its power to fight the gods because the Abyss comes from outside Teyvat and perhaps that's why people believe it can tip the scales and allow for a fair fight. That might be wrong; certainly nothing about "the Abyss" sounds good, Durin was convinced that poisoning Monstadt was just "dancing and singing" happily with them, and Dvalin was in a lot of pain and delusionally attacking people he once considered friends after succumbing to the infection. But if nothing else the Traveler's sibling seems to think it's worth the risk.

Archonex posted:

There's evidence to suggest either one, so neither can be said for sure. For instance, we know for a fact that Hilichurls will happily interact peaceably with humans if approached under the right circumstances (Careful approach, gifts, and such. Notably, no abyss mages are in the encounters i've had so far.). That might suggest that some part of their history/culture remembers that humans aren't necessarily the enemy.
One possibility is that Ella Musk does not have a Vision, and the reason they flip out on us is they detect the ones used by our party (though if the canon is that the Traveler is alone, they shouldn't attack over that, unless the Traveler's power is similarly threatening or scary to them). Or they just rightly see us as heavily-armed murderhobos. They can definitely be motivated to attack the cities but left to their own devices they seem to just hang out in their settlements. The Abyss Order may be able to force them to help do their bidding, or maybe they willingly choose to help because they actually understand what the Abyss Order wants.

Archonex posted:

I should mention that this isn't necessarily true. If Teyvat really is a HI3 style Ark then it can just print new humans after the current group is wiped out. Hell, it could hypothetically even copy the memories of a deceased human given how the god keys of HI3 work. Ditto for giving out superpowers since the god keys made from Herrsher's in HI3 could do stuff like create and destroy things ex nihilo. Meaning Celestia is decidedly not requisite to running the planet.

As for the creating new humans thing? The wish system may literally be doing just that, creating a copy of an existing human (With all the horrifying implications that it has in terms of these cataclysms and the ultimate expendability of the current cast of characters.) for you to use. A single wish literally shows the imagery of the Ark from Honkai Impact, only blue instead.
Celestia could be the administrative system, so its destruction could render it difficult or impossible for Teyvat to function. They can alter the environment, so it's possible they're a management and terraforming system. Their destruction wouldn't be a problem for the humans and creatures already living in Teyvat right now, but if those things die out, it could be the end.

The wish system probably isn't copying humans, but forging new fates for them by manipulating the stars according to the Traveler's, uh, wishes. Essentially breaking characters free of their appointed destinies and roles, which is how Jean can join the party when she's got so much goddamn work to do. Childe also mentions at the end of his quests that he'd like to go adventuring with you, but his duty won't allow it; one could see rolling him as breaking him free of that fate so he can do that after all. This would also make a lot of sense if any playable characters die or turn evil in the future: The wish system represents having changed their destiny on some level.

Nakar fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Dec 25, 2020

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

Nakar posted:

One possibility is that Ella Musk does not have a Vision, and the reason they flip out on us is they detect the ones used by our party (though if the canon is that the Traveler is alone, they shouldn't attack over that, unless the Traveler's power is similarly threatening or scary to them).

What if the traveler (or paimon!) is made from the same material (or comes from the same place) as the visions?

Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
You are receiving this broadcast as a dream...We are transmitting from the year one nine... nine nine ...You are receiving this broadcast in order t

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

It seems like there are more Crimson Agate in the world than just the 70 you need to get to rank 8 on the frostbearing tree. I've found 3 extras already, besides the 5 you get from doing the weekly Crimson Wish missions.

I think someone mentioned here that there are 79, but since you can accrue them in sets of 5 once you reach tree level 8, and levels so far have been increments of 10, once you find 75 there is no real purpose in finding the last 4.

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
Did I miss something or did we not get to play Albedo in what was evidently his story quest?

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

GrandpaPants posted:

What if the traveler (or paimon!) is made from the same material (or comes from the same place) as the visions?
That or the hilichurls know of the Prince/Princess of the Abyss Order and can recognize the same power and fear it because they think they're going to be forced to do his/her bidding, so if the Traveler's powers are too active they can sense it and attack Aether/Lumine because they've confused them for their twin. If that were the case, it would be an honest mistake and imply the hilichurls don't always willingly help the Abyss Order.

There's precedent for this, since most of the Fatui's voice lines suggest they didn't want to become Fatui in the first place and many may be the result of human experimentation. If the Fatui are compelled to fight, the hilichurls might be as well and all the times we're rolling up on them and smashing them to atoms with Diluc's firebird are just them acting in panicked self-defense at the prospect of being conscripted into a war they aren't interested in.

kater
Nov 16, 2010

lol I hit adventure 50 and instantly world leveled and now every zone has a big red Highly Dangerous warning screen.

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

Nakar posted:

Durin was born insane by whoever created him (presumably someone tied to the Abyss, since the Abyss Order was able to control a corrupted Dvalin). He was told to show his beauty to Monstadt, and he genuinely believed he was doing that right up until Dvalin bit him in the neck and mortally wounded him (this is how Dvalin got infected). Saying he was "infected" is probably a mistake, because Durin wasn't a normal dragon infected like Dvalin but some sort of Abyss Dragon or whatever and the stuff that "corrupted" Dvalin was just Durin's blood. Even once he saw reality for what it was he slipped back into delusion as he died. He never really had a chance, unlike Dvalin who could be purified.

Also Dainsleif isn't the hero who wielded the Snow-Tombed Starsilver. Other item lore says that guy eventually sought out a country in chaos where he could kill things, and he eventually established a tribe within (Old) Monstadt. Basically the hero who slew the Black Dragon (who can't have been Durin because Dvalin killed Durin) arrived back at Dragonspine to find the entire civilization had died while he was away searching for a way to save them, and he was so embittered by it that he decided to spend the rest of his life shooting the middle finger to the gods by committing murder for their amusement, a sort of spiteful irony. None of that matches Dainsleif's lore, other than maybe failing to save a woman; but that could be a thing that plays out over and over throughout history and Dainsleif is just aware of it and motivated by that.

Also the Abyss is probably the darkness against Celestia's (or the radiance or whatever) light. Both are extremely dangerous and it may be the intention of those who have sided with the Abyss to use its power to fight the gods because the Abyss comes from outside Teyvat and perhaps that's why people believe it can tip the scales and allow for a fair fight. That might be wrong; certainly nothing about "the Abyss" sounds good, Durin was convinced that poisoning Monstadt was just "dancing and singing" happily with them, and Dvalin was in a lot of pain and delusionally attacking people he once considered friends after succumbing to the infection. But if nothing else the Traveler's sibling seems to think it's worth the risk.

To be fair, Durin being born insane and him being infected are kind of meaningless distinctions given the facts of what the Honkai does to folks. HI3 has a fair share of humans that had Honkai genetics written into their genes. Only a few didn't go batshit insane at some point and just start murdering everything they could reach. Which was a problem, because they tended to be able to spew all sorts of horrifying extradimensional radiation (Which would certainly seem poisonous to some high fantasy person in Genshin, incidentally.) everywhere and were extremely durable and lethal to boot.

Dainsleif may not be that person. But given that he's clearly an older male traveler in appearance (an outlander) and his name is literally a reference to a blade that cannot be sheathed until it has taken a life (Which is very much in line with Imunlaukr's views post fall of the civilization.) there's clearly some similarities there that make me wonder if he might not have some relation to him and his clan.

You're right that it's probable that the Abyss Order may be the opposite of whatever the light is. However, Celestia is shown in some of the lore as being separate from both the light and dark that devour worlds. Which suggests that it's just trying to ape them to keep Teyvat as an "ark". Though maybe that lore is a red herring and they are representing one side. Notably, the one time we've seen the Honkai Entity in person it's been an incomprehensible eldritch abomination that can only really be perceived by it mimicking the appearance of the person it's interacting with. It's white (not as in human white. More like white light shaped into a human form.) in appearance, which is at odds with themes of the abyss.

Notably, it's also given tenuous links to the names divine/celestial emperor (Which Genshin also has. Go read about the shattered halberd and some of the other books. One of them even straight up looks into HI3's universe and other realities.), in both Honkai Impact and possibly Genshin as well. Which is directly at odds with the naming themes of the Abyss Order. If Celestia is related to one side then it seems more likely that Celestia is related to the Honkai equivalent side of things (and that would suggest that the Honkai are Celestia oriented, weirdly enough.), what with Kiana seemingly backing them up.

Assuming Celestia is the local Honkai equivalent, or a pawn of it, one has to wonder just what the Abyss really is then. I wonder if the Abyss might not be somehow related to the weird quantum horrors that are never really explained in Honkai. The term Abyss and many of it's naming themes are very close to the Sea of Quanta, Infinite Abyss, and Dirac Sea Abyss from Honkai Impact. It may also be something akin to death or some universal concept of it given all the links to Seele and the Herrsher of Death in HI3.

GrandpaPants posted:

What if the traveler (or paimon!) is made from the same material (or comes from the same place) as the visions?

I just want to point out that Paimon is literally the E.L.F. version of the Unknown Goddess. And if the Hilichurls are against Celestia and are somehow able to see her or know she's following around the Traveler then that would probably be all the excuse most of them need to try to kill them.

Keep in mind that the Unknown Goddess literally went full apocalypse in a very Honkai sort of way (Literally, she was using the Herrsher of the Void's powers to destroy a good chunk of the surface of Teyvat when the travelers arrived from another world. At which point the travelers realized this world was utterly hosed and tried to flee, only for her to catch them.) on a vast tract of land in the past, which the sibling that is working with the Abyss Order bore witness too. They've got plenty of reasons to try and kill the traveler if they think he's somehow going to set some psychopathic goddess from Celestia loose on the world again.

Archonex fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Dec 25, 2020

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

awesmoe posted:

merry christmas


Exactly one of each item?

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

kater posted:

lol I hit adventure 50 and instantly world leveled and now every zone has a big red Highly Dangerous warning screen.

What are the levels of the mobs? Trying to figure out if I should try to stock up on ascension mats ahead of time.

kater
Nov 16, 2010

Archonex posted:

What are the levels of the mobs? Trying to figure out if I should try to stock up on ascension mats ahead of time.

Most stuff in Dragonspine is 88. Everything is definitely harder to kill but I wouldn't say to any extent I regret it. I did just straight up run away from an Electric Fatui though because my party was mistyped. Actual Resin Bosses are a complete pushover still. Stormterror might've been a bit harder but I 3-cycled it and that was what I was doing before. The teleport bug is still arounddddddddddd.

Oh and the levels of Non-Dragonspine are very varying. 82-89.

OH AND THIS HAPPENED

kater fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Dec 25, 2020

Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
You are receiving this broadcast as a dream...We are transmitting from the year one nine... nine nine ...You are receiving this broadcast in order t
I was concerned that going to WL7 at AR50 would just make the game slower, but after boosting my main DPS to level 85 and maxing out his weapon it seems like stuff dies at a fairly similar rate as the previous WL. It is a touch slower, but really only noticeable for things with cycles such as Stormterror where it takes me 3 cycles to kill him instead of 2.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

gandlethorpe posted:

Did I miss something or did we not get to play Albedo in what was evidently his story quest?

There will be more steps in the story quest added throughout the event.
If you look at the in-game event screen each of the 3 upcoming "acts" lists a (presumably Albedo-themed) story quest that you have to beat before you can access it

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

There will be more steps in the story quest added throughout the event.
If you look at the in-game event screen each of the 3 upcoming "acts" lists a (presumably Albedo-themed) story quest that you have to beat before you can access it

Hopefully we'll get to play him. But it's weird because the quest we had was "Act 1" of his story quest and even appears with the other ones in the completed log. Every other one made the featured character playable.

kater
Nov 16, 2010

I don't think those are story quests. Just event quests like Fischl's? Unless that stuff also got added to the main game as just a questline, that'd be cool.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Some people mentioned destroying the Geo boss's columns at the end with a single Zhongli meteor. How? It's only hitting one when I try, and it's hard to tell exactly where it's being positioned due to the cutscene (is there a way to turn these off? they can be kind of disorienting sometimes).

kater
Nov 16, 2010

oh someone was asking for the third treasure thing, just found it

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:

kater posted:

I don't think those are story quests. Just event quests like Fischl's? Unless that stuff also got added to the main game as just a questline, that'd be cool.

It's his story quest. They just made it free to access (no purple key needed) and lowered the level requirement for the event.

quote:

"The Chalk Prince and the Dragon."
During the event, Travelers can obtain the free sword "Festering Desire," which has magical power. Complete various challenges in Dragonspine to obtain Essences, which can be redeemed for items in the Event Shop.
During the event, Travelers can unlock Princeps Cretaceus Chapter without spending a Story Key. After the event ends, the criteria to unlock the Story Quest "Princeps Cretaceus Chapter" will be restored to the following: Reach Adventure Rank 40 or above, complete Prologue: Act II "For a Tomorrow Without Tears," and spend 1 Story Key.

Avynte
Jun 30, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

kater posted:

I don't think those are story quests. Just event quests like Fischl's? Unless that stuff also got added to the main game as just a questline, that'd be cool.

That's my interpretation as well. I'm sure when his key unlock personal quest comes we'll get to play him.

e; oh, huh, so they removed the key requirement. guess maybe during the last stage then?

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Ytlaya posted:

Some people mentioned destroying the Geo boss's columns at the end with a single Zhongli meteor. How? It's only hitting one when I try, and it's hard to tell exactly where it's being positioned due to the cutscene (is there a way to turn these off? they can be kind of disorienting sometimes).

Use the hold on his skill to kill 2 of the pillars instantly, then use his ult on the third. It will have a sliver of health left.

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013



Snazzy. Shame I don't have Jean. Guess I can chuck it on Qiqi or Bennett after I scrounge up some materials to invest in it. Shame I'm too busy farming cryo set for Ganyu.

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Some Numbers posted:

Exactly one of each item?

6 of the weapon mats and somewhere between 10 and 30 of the money/crystals/xp books - cant remember how much total sorry. it takes about 20ish fights, each fight is a simple 3 stage that doesnt drop any loot except the rewards.

kater
Nov 16, 2010

gandlethorpe posted:

It's his story quest. They just made it free to access (no purple key needed) and lowered the level requirement for the event.

Princeps Cretaceus is just the Albedo story chapter that you do before you can even start the event quest. It is already done. It is a different quest line than the Festering Desire quests, which you get right after. Princeps Certacauze will still be in the game, the event quests presumably wont.

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:

kater posted:

Princeps Cretaceus is just the Albedo story chapter that you do before you can even start the event quest. It is already done. It is a different quest line than the Festering Desire quests, which you get right after. Princeps Certacauze will still be in the game, the event quests presumably wont.

I know that and have been saying that... I'm just bummed we didn't get to play Albedo like we do in everyone else's story quest

kater
Nov 16, 2010

Right yeah okay. It was the other person saying more will be added.

I agree but also don't really mind. Like I don't think Mona's story quest was good because you played as her for thirty seconds in an overworld fight. It'd be one thing if they had a hard rule about always getting a character dungeon, but they've already broken it so I guess thats that there are no rules.

Maybe I don't mind as much because Albedo's trial is actually fairly okay at showing him off.

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

Archonex posted:

Assuming Celestia is the local Honkai equivalent, or a pawn of it, one has to wonder just what the Abyss really is then. I wonder if the Abyss might not be somehow related to the weird quantum horrors that are never really explained in Honkai. The term Abyss and many of it's naming themes are very close to the Sea of Quanta, Infinite Abyss, and Dirac Sea Abyss from Honkai Impact. It may also be something akin to death or some universal concept of it given all the links to Seele and the Herrsher of Death in HI3.
The association of the Abyss with the outer ocean and the underground is pretty strong (and the Spiral Abyss entrance is out on a mostly-sunken island that used to be a mountaintop). The ocean and the things exiled to it or sealed in it seem related to notions, concepts, and rejected ideas. The things underground are the remnants of annihilated civilizations from previous cycles. The Abyss has memory (the Irminsul is deep underground and it remembers everything), it has dreams of possibilities (as Dainsleif says at one point, only by hiding out near or in the Abyss were humans able to "dream of dreaming" outside the watchful eyes of the gods), but it also has some kind of dangerous external power that is not at all benign: Durin was a child told to go play with people unaware he was basically a murder machine, and Dvalin was nearly corrupted beyond the point of no return just from tasting his blood. Either whatever created Durin legitimately does not understand that a poison-spewing dragon isn't beautiful by the standards of Teyvat -- some sort of eldritch or alien intellect that notices there are no noxious dragons in Teyvat and decides that the planet must be worse off for not having one and so creates and sends one into the world as a bizarre friendly gesture -- or it's malicious and perfectly willing to brainwash its creations to think they're doing good while causing untold suffering. Using that sort of power does not sound like a very good idea, even if it's the only thing that can stand up to the gods.

Basically Celestia seems fixated on preserving a status quo cycle of an eternal present while the Abyss represents the forgotten past and the uncertain future. The two forces are in conflict, but either winning isn't necessarily ideal and wouldn't make humanity any better off. As a gnostic narrative that makes sense; time itself might just be an illusion designed to convince human beings that the cause-and-effect of the material world is real. I suspect they won't go that esoteric with the story though and it's more that those things can't define and control human experience or choice. It's okay to dream of the future, but some possibilities need to be avoided not because they're overreaching what humans ought to be able to do (which would be Celestia's position) but because they're just bad ideas, e.g. sending a poison dragon to go play.

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?
I played Mona, I did the big Mona crit, I did the Mona dash, and that was enough Mona.

All quests cleared and rank 8 with 8 rocks waiting on the reset. Free claymore is snazzy but a Razor team is like my last priority on resources. Bring on the farming.

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:

kater posted:

Maybe I don't mind as much because Albedo's trial is actually fairly okay at showing him off.

I wanna play with 3 Geo husbandos though :(

YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

Man the music this patch is so loving good it's unfair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2nAshTxNE

Cattail Prophet
Apr 12, 2014

Lucked into an Albedo at 45 rolls after Tart. Neat, but I was really hoping to hit pity for Ganyu's banner. At least I can tell myself that I wasn't on a guaranteed banner 5*, so there was always a chance I didn't get her.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

S.J. posted:

Use the hold on his skill to kill 2 of the pillars instantly, then use his ult on the third. It will have a sliver of health left.

Whoa, I didn't know his skill hold apparently does so much geo shield damage.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Ytlaya posted:

Whoa, I didn't know his skill hold apparently does so much geo shield damage.

Yeah it's pretty stupid. Even if his ult isn't full I think the energy from the hold there almost fills it up.

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Anora
Feb 16, 2014

I fuckin suck!🪠
I have found 84 Crimson Agates and if I can get another before 3am I'll be at rank 9 with the Crimson wish stuff.

Fake edit: found it, jumping off the top of the mountain in different directions is profitable.

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