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Wonder Woman abandoning the world is good because then you don't have to ask "where was Diana during WW2" or "why didn't Diana stop 9/11" or whatever also the basic thematic parallel with Batman in BvS and so on
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I'm ten minutes into WW84 and this long action scene that's been the entire movie so far could have been done in less than three, is the whole movie this bloated?
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Arist posted:I'm ten minutes into WW84 and this long action scene that's been the entire movie so far could have been done in less than three, is the whole movie this bloated? Good news you won't have to worry about action for a while.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Good news you won't have to worry about action for a while. oh noooooooooo
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Arist posted:I'm ten minutes into WW84 and this long action scene that's been the entire movie so far could have been done in less than three, is the whole movie this bloated?
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Dec 26, 2020 01:02
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The problem is that it's spending so much time not pushing the narrative forward. It wasn't even clear why we were seeing this at all until she takes the shortcut, and it's much longer than it needs to be even ignoring all that. If it had more interesting character beats it'd be more forgivable, but I honestly found it pretty boring personally 
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Arist posted:The problem is that it's spending so much time not pushing the narrative forward. It wasn't even clear why we were seeing this at all until she takes the shortcut "K nbd" Hm, weird. Something about how her natural skill and abilities ... and taking shortcuts.. to get what she wants but losing sight of the goal... bring overconfident... yeah totally indecipherable. Steve in 80swear is absolutely hilarious. Costuming must have had a field day.
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I got that part. I'm saying the relevant character moments are at the beginning and at the shortcut, with a lot of fluff in between, jeez.
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Meh, I liked the spectacle of the games and athleticism. It was a fun way to start. I'll agree that the action beats run together with the mall scene and heroics afterwards though.
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WW84 was loving great and the mid-credits scene had me smiling from ear to ear.
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Yeah. I'm about 30 minutes from the end but asking what cost the 80s extracted on our national psyche is fun. Iono how it would have been received in theatres following the protests this summer. This is a real good Christmas present, though. Oh poo poo it's a Christmas miracle, Christmas movie!!! FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Dec 26, 2020 |
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The most 80s thing about Wonder Woman 84 is that it made me realise you could pick pretty much any meathead action lead from that era and they would do a better job of playing Wonder Woman than Gal Gadot.
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I'm watching it now and its fine so far. Watching her flip around still looks weird though. I do like that Diana was friends with Etta Candy her whole life Cartoon 80s is right though. Feels very much someone who knows the 80s though ads, tv and the movies of the era rather than experienced it.
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I dunno if the Christmas finale was tacked on but it was really on the nose for 2020. Nice way to close out the year. I'm assuming any funky timeline stuff is resolved with Max rescinding his wish just wipes a lot of that from memory for people and it just becomes that godawful tense few days with the nuke crisis FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Dec 26, 2020 |
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Shirkelton posted:The most 80s thing about Wonder Woman 84 is that it made me realise you could pick pretty much any meathead action lead from that era and they would do a better job of playing Wonder Woman than Gal Gadot. Ya know, I was thinking about how her swinging around the mall was similar to Commando...
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Steve's joy at being in the future is pretty great i have to admit. Though it is kind of lovely they basically stole a guys life to bring Steve back.
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The CGI on those "WW using lasso on clouds to fly" shots they just kept doing was so bad I'd 100% believe you if you told me it looked sloppy because Gadot was sporting a moustache she is contractually obligated to have for another role that they had to edit out
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Wait, WW84 takes place in July? I've been to DC in July and it was swamp rear end city. No way anyone would be wearing long pants or layers.
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Retrowave Joe posted:Ya know, I was thinking about how her swinging around the mall was similar to Commando... Comparing anything in this film to Commando is deeply insulting to Commando. I'm choosing to believe the incredibly awkward and stiff CGI swinging when she's trying to save the kids and stuff is just a result of Gal Gadot's personal beliefs shining through and Patty Jenkins hasn't just received some kind of cognitive injury in the last few years.
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WW84 is bad. I'm glad I didn't pay for it in a theater. Too long, too boring. Looks and feels super cheap.
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twistedmentat posted:Steve's joy at being in the future is pretty great i have to admit. That part seemed really weird and unnecessary seeing as the magic wishing rock had no problem creating other stuff out of nothing.
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WW84 is kind of a weird movie, and I don't really know what to think of the weird...moral?...of like. I dunno. "Don't wish for things, I guess? Be happy with what you have, because it's the truth? Or you'll ruin the world?" I feel the only relevant message at the end of the day is to not use magic stone made by trickster gods that have massive drawbacks. The mid-credits scene is absolutely not necessary. I love Lynda Carter but that was bizarrely forced. Still, it's nowhere as bad a film as people here are saying, and all the hyperbole is doing the thing where it just kinda makes me like it more. So  Pedro Pascal pretty much steals the film, and I think they did a great job on Cheetah as well. I love the whole Invisible Jet scene, and the fact that they added in her being able to glide on currents and did it pretty well.
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Pedro Pascal is pretty great. That's about the one positive takeaway I have from the movie. But you could rewatch like, 3 episodes of the Mandalorian in the same time to watch this movie, and that's a much better use of time to get your Pedro Pascal fix.
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Or his stunt double, anyway.
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Aphrodite posted:Hawkeye has always been considered a punchline, even when depicted as competent. I like to think of classic Hawkeye as "Wolverine, except not unkillable, and written by writers with less skill". Although to be honest, he's less like comics Wolverine and more exaggerated adaption "YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!" Wolverine anyway the best version of the character is in EMH because he's both the sassiest avenger and the most frequently dunked on avenger
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OnimaruXLR posted:anyway the best version of the character is in EMH You could write this for basically every character featured on that show though
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Why are the SFX in this movie so bad? They had like two years of post-production and this is what they made?
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Blockhouse posted:Why are the SFX in this movie so bad? They had like two years of post-production and this is what they made? They figured no one would see it.
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Blockhouse posted:Why are the SFX in this movie so bad? I know it's not for everyone but I really like her floaty slidey action scenes. BrianWilly posted:WW84 is kind of a weird movie, and I don't really know what to think of the weird...moral?...of like. I dunno. Or on a more practical level everyone's concerned with what they're owed that they don't realize how that affects others?
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Incidentally, the movie reads alternately very queer but also uncomfortably heteronormative. I'm sure there will be valid readings for Barbara and Diana being sisterly or friendly to each other and Barbara only thinks Diana is strong and sexy in an envious way but like. Nah. Them's gay. They are pretty gay here. This is the "if they were opposite-gender characters this would be a romcom" theme writ large. Also Diana sees Max Lord joking around with Barbara and she just. loving despises him. From moment one. There's really no reason for it, at this point he's done zero things wrong that she knows of and still she's just incredibly rude and patronizing to him. Honestly, the only way to read this is that Diana is blisteringly jealous that Barbara has found herself a boyfriend. Max himself is a single father and we're given no information about his relationship with the mother of his son, except that she has another boyfriend. He struggles to perform masculinity, and his greatest wish is for his son to be proud of him by becoming someone more powerful and beloved than ever. It's not queer, exactly, but there's something decidedly non-normative about it. Unfortunately, while the Steve sections develop Diana's character most coherently, they also run smack dab into the implication that she would be happy if only she could either A) have her boyfriend alive again, or B) find a way to move on from him...to another man. It's the issue that the other Steve runs into, at the end of Endgame...like, there's a hundred thousand things out there that you could want, there's a bajillion reasons to love the world and to fight for it. But nah, the one true thing that will give you happiness is if you were able to reclaim that one straight romance that you had years and years and years ago. I mean, Diana does choose to let that go instead of risking the fabric of reality over it, which at least gives her a leg up on Steve Rogers, but still...  FilthyImp posted:I know it's not for everyone but I really like her floaty slidey action scenes. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Dec 26, 2020 |
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BrianWilly posted:Incidentally, the movie reads alternately very queer but also uncomfortably heteronormative. Though I took Diana's hatred of Max from the onset as recognizing he's a sleazy scam artist with some kind of agenda, or possibly is just super done with the rich-donor bullshit that permeates her job
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What a deeply cowardly waste of the seven hours this movie takes to get going to position your story at the climax of the 80s, against the back-drop of the war in the middle east and the politics of the united states and have nothing but some children's show 'lying is bad' bullshit to show for it. Gutsy when considered next to it's other thesis, though, which is 'Gal Gadot is a good enough actress to carry this story'.
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Give Diana another 70 years and she'll crack the mystery of reincarnation just like she figured out two more major superpowers in WW84 after discovering energy blasts in WW1. There are entire superheroes whose powers are things Diana just decides to try on a whim at age 300. This character is not Wonder Woman anymore.
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If you want an actual queer Christmas film there are options for that, if you want to pretend a movie is queer, you can do that without spending thirty bucks on this blank reel of celluloid.
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Shirkelton posted:If you want an actual queer Christmas film there are options for that, if you want to pretend a movie is queer, you can do that without spending thirty bucks on this blank reel of celluloid. Chickening out by not doing Ronnie was some bullshit tho
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FilthyImp posted:My man you are really mad at Wonder Woman. I know you are, but what am I?
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Shirkelton posted:I know you are, but what am I?
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FilthyImp posted:Misogynistic? I can't believe I briefly thought I was being too cruel by implying your posting was childish a moment ago.
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I don't know if you notice this but from an outsider's perspective neither of you are looking particularly great right now
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WW84 - It's not going to blow your socks off. The stuff below is stuff that kind of stuck out to me, mostly negative, but it is not major stuff. For the umpteenth time technically a blue beam shooting out into space is the thing that the heroes need to overcome. I'm joking, but really only about half. Max is broadcasting to EVERYONE ON THE PLANET - in English. and we see people around the world, who we assume do not speak English because they are subtitled, responding to him and making wishes. So the broadcast is techno-magic in that not only does it broadcast to any and every electronic sound and video displaying device, but also translates the message to every spoken language. And it's nitpicky, but this is also assuming that it is, if not daytime, generally waking hours for everywhere on the planet at the same time. (OK, it's nighttime at the secret broadcast base, but daytime in DC, and in the middle east and in the UK. It could be nighttime in China and the broadcast base, but I kind of think the base is on the East coast. Why, when Max is using his magic TV powers, doesn't he get teleported to his son when his son says "I wish you were here daddy"? Max mentioned that you can get multiple wishes out of him because the stone was choosing to only grant one turn per user. Max steps into the blue beam because the camera is broken, but he doesn't need the camera because science magic allows him to broadcast directly using that beam. OK, fine. While he's there, WW cannot hit him with the lasso. We see her fail multiple times. Then she monologues about how wishes hid the truth and they are cheating and bad and wrong and everyone should give up their wishes, and at some point during this, she manages to snare Max's leg, so she manages to hijack the broadcast, because the lasso also can magically broadcast the truth. Okay, I guess. Taking the classic comic book angle of "If he didn't die on camera he's still alive", is Cheetah completely depowered, or is she just back down to Diana levels of strong? Presumably, Max rescinding his wish undid the wishes he granted (maybe), but all we get out of her is "I - I ...." and then we cut away. Speaking of Cheetah, I actually liked the way she looked in full Cheetah form. I also liked the white house fight. I disagree that the heel turn for Cheetah is completely out of nowhere. For the first time in her life, she feels strong, and sexy and in control, and before she can even get a grasp on what that entails, here steps in this literal goddess, who has had these powers for her entire life, and says "That's not you. You didn't earn that confidence, or that strength. For the good of everyone else, listen to me and give that up." What I didn't like is as soon as she is introduced we get Electro from ASM2 all over again. Clumsy, nerdy, awkward and desperate for attention and or affection from anyone. And our hero, being genuinely good, tries to include them and not be a dick. And since this is the only positive feedback or social interaction this person has ever received, they get a little clingy. I'm sick to death of this stereotype. I liked the joke about learning how to make things invisible and losing the coffee mug. That was great. I like the nod to the invisible jet, that's fun. But, the jet isn't invisible because of Diana's magic "make things invisible" powers. It just is invisible. It would be invisible if Dick Grayson were sitting in it. I'm cool with WW not knowing how to fly - I'm cool with her learning how to fly. What bothers me is Steve explaining (mansplaining?) to her how to fly. "Oh, well you just catch the wind and ride the current and glide through the air." Motherfucker, you are a pilot, flying a plane, don't try to explain the concept of flight like you are Superman. For all Diana knows she has no way to fly under her own power. Also, Steve, you were a WW1 pilot. You had never even seen a Jet Plane before, but somehow you are able to fly one. Now, I'm sure mechanically, keeping a jet in the air and keeping a prop plane in the air use a lot of the same rules. And we do see him mess up a couple of switches/buttons when first starting. But this is a technological leap of 70-ish years. Flying might be OK, but I imagine takeoff and landing are a very different beast. It was nice to see a low body count in a superhero movie and solving the problem with talking about Truth and Love feels very on brand for Wonder Woman. But what becomes of Max? Is he incarcerated? Again, most of these are minor quibbles, but I don't know that I'll go back for a rewatch anytime soon.
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