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Jeff Fatwood posted:AAAaaaaAAAaaaaaAAAAaaaAAAAaaaaaaAAARGIATIC! I still don't understand this one. Does it go in your nose or something? If so, why? If not, where, and also why?
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KillHour posted:Given that about 80-90% of the world is cis-hetero, you're probably never going to have mass media depict gay content at the same rate. It would feel weird and artificial, especially in a game whose main thesis is "This is an uncomfortable, hosed up world and OH BOY are we going to make you experience that." Probably yeah. It would look forced and stunted if you gave it a 50/50 distribution. I also get your point of view on this. I’m just sympathizing with the fact that being gay and wanting video games to cater to you is equivalent to going to a steakhouse or southern style bbq restaurant and ordering the one vegetarian item on the menu that consists of garnishes and side dishes on some cheap bread. You still gotta go to the fancy asian vegetarian food place to get the good stuff.
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Dec 28, 2020 09:22
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Kraftwerk posted:Probably yeah. It would look forced and stunted if you gave it a 50/50 distribution. I also get your point of view on this. I’m just sympathizing with the fact that being gay and wanting video games to cater to you is equivalent to going to a steakhouse or southern style bbq restaurant and ordering the one vegetarian item on the menu that consists of garnishes and side dishes on some cheap bread. And when we go to the vegan place with my one vegan friend, I'm really sad because the bread is terrible and I can't get real honey for my tea. But I put up with it when we go because 4/5 times, she has to put up with the rest of us eating a burger in front of her. Gay stuff in media is kind of in the same place right now - there's stuff made specifically for gay people and stuff made for everyone else. This game was clearly made to sell a bajillion copies, so there's cow milk in the lattes by default. Is there a better way to handle that? Probably. But it's not something CDPR did way worse than the average. I think some people were really hoping this game would somehow handle this better than everyone else like some people were hoping it would be a better GTA or whatever, based on some of the marketing. Turns out, it's kind of mediocre at both. That being said, it's kind of an indictment of how we treat sexuality compared to violence as a society that there are 100x more complaints about the dick/vag ratio than about the actually hosed up stuff the game decides you NEED to experience. This is a game that really, really, really needs a trigger warning. I can't imagine playing this game if you've been a victim of rape or violence or like a million other things. Edit: The thing with the ambiguously named Joy Toys is funny because it happened to me too and I decided to roll with it because who cares - but it actually made me uncomfortable not because it was with a guy, but because it was legitimately sensual. Like you're staring into their eyes and having a deep conversation and it feels just real enough to hit that part of your brain that says "I'm opening up to a real person" and the cognitive dissonance straight up made my skin crawl. It's a great scene and well acted and probably the closest I've felt to "feeling" a connection with a fictional character in any media. If you have that experience with a character that isn't your normal preference, I can see it being scary to some people who haven't ever had that kind of introspection. Probably the highlight of the game for me, TBH. KillHour fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Dec 28, 2020 |
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Dec 28, 2020 09:32
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smoobles posted:lol, finally decided to play again (PC) after a 10 day hiatus thinking 1.06 had fixed it. loaded my game and spawned inside of Panam's head while she drives a car. I had that happen too and now I can only think of Johnny as a Russian nesting doll
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Dec 28, 2020 09:37
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Sachant posted:I still don't understand this one. Does it go in your nose or something? If so, why? If not, where, and also why? I think its supposed to sound like orgasmic, its loving catchy though along with the mix it up one
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Dec 28, 2020 09:43
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KillHour posted:I think some people were really hoping this would be a game for LGBTQ people like some people were hoping it would be GTA or whatever, based on some of the marketing. Did the marketing really show some kind of LGBT tolerance/awareness to warrant that? I don't blame people for expecting a bit more robust open world experience based on the marketing but I don't remember seeing anything that was trying to cater to anyone outside of cishet (male) gamers. Not even counting the "mix it up" controversy.
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Dec 28, 2020 09:43
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Can you murk Rachel (from Sinnerman)?
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Dec 28, 2020 09:47
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Jeff Fatwood posted:Did the marketing really show some kind of LGBT tolerance/awareness to warrant that? I don't blame people for expecting a bit more robust open world experience based on the marketing but I don't remember seeing anything that was trying to cater to anyone outside of cishet (male) gamers. Not even counting the "mix it up" controversy. I updated my verbiage there to be a little more clear on what I meant and yeah, I remember them talking about how they were going to handle sexuality much more maturely than typical media. And they did... kind of. They did come right out and say that characters have preferences. The way they chose to actually implement that was kind of weird, but it's a hard problem. You can't have a game that completely accurately simulates sexual preferences because you'll have characters locked out of relationships for having the wrong nose size or skin color or piercings or.... The problem was less with the implementation and more with setting expectations. They were vague enough that people who care a lot about portrayal of sexuality in the media could imagine their idealized implementation and latch onto that. Edit: Like, could you imagine the poo poo show that would happen if the game was just like "Panam [isn't into / is only into] black guys, sorry." Either you make everyone playersexual and it's trivially shallow to the point of hurting characterization, or you pick a line that hopefully doesn't upset too many people. KillHour fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Dec 28, 2020 |
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Dec 28, 2020 09:50
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KillHour posted:I updated my verbiage there to be a little more clear on what I meant and yeah, I remember them talking about how they were going to handle sexuality much more maturely than typical media. And they did... kind of. They did come right out and say that characters have preferences. The way they chose to actually implement that was kind of weird, but it's a hard problem. You have a game that completely accurately simulates sexual preferences because you'll have characters locked out of relationships for having the wrong nose size or skin color or piercings or.... The problem was less with the implementation and more with setting expectations. They were vague enough that people who care a lot about portrayal of sexuality in the media could imagine their idealized implementation and latch onto that. Fair. I had to legitimately ask because most marketing for me is "sure, I'll believe it when I see it" and promptly forget most about it.
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Dec 28, 2020 09:53
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Jeff Fatwood posted:Fair. I had to legitimately ask because most marketing for me is "sure, I'll believe it when I see it" and promptly forget most about it. This game had Star Citizen levels of hype and people are really bad at being objective consumers of media. KillHour fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Dec 28, 2020 |
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Dec 28, 2020 09:56
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KillHour posted:This game had Star Citizen levels of hype and people are really bad at being objective consumers of media. I know. That's why I had to ask because I realize I might have trouble seeing the marketing/targeting that's outside my segment as a cishet male regardless of the hype. Plus a very selective memory because the internet likes to see things that aren't there. It's more a defense mechanism against marketing than objectivity, I guess.
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Dec 28, 2020 10:04
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Seymour Buttz posted:It would be nice if the civilians you saved from being held up realized that they‘ve been saved and maybe said thanks instead of just remaining scared with their hands up forever until you go far enough away for them to disappear. They do, but sometimes they bug out. Or maybe not all of them are scripted to do so. Rinkles posted:Can you murk Rachel (from Sinnerman)? Maybe when they're all in the car?
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Dec 28, 2020 10:07
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It's telling that this game still manages to be this absorbing despite how much of a broken mess it is. Makes me kinda sad that they didn't delay it for six months or however long it would have taken to get it into a good state. People would have gone ape poo poo for this. Oh well, no regrets, the writing is phenomenal, and what works, works well.
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Dec 28, 2020 10:08
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The game is very zealous about garbage collecting panicked civilians and most of my saved civilians have just disappeared the moment I looked away from them without a word. I guess the panic from the fighting overrides whatever "thanks" routine they have most of the time for me.
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Dec 28, 2020 10:10
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This universe doesn't really make sense. Population in Night City has fallen 30%. Wouldn't it be the other way around? People flocking to the city people of a combination overpopulation / dustbowl / depression / global warming situation? Despite poverty supposedly being rampant, it seems like most people still have their own cars, can go out for dinner or drinks, wear nice clothes, and most of all - afford crazy cybermod customization. Even the most destitute have crazy robot limbs for some reason. International shipping has been mostly shut down. Sure doesn't seem to affect the importing of cars, or building materials, or tech. The USA find a supply of rare earth materials in Utah? At one of the corps, a forced work week of only 80 hours is considered good. Is there really that much work? Even after robotics and AI? Doing what? I dunno I just can't help but compare this to Deus Ex Mankind Divided, where everything there was a lot more logical and foreseeable.
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Dec 28, 2020 10:20
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KillHour posted:This game had Star Citizen levels of hype and people are really bad at being objective consumers of media. has star citizen ever actually had any legitimate, sustained hype beyond neckbeards with $50k in disposable income? iirc it became a punchline almost immediately when they started promising drink mixing minigames
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Dec 28, 2020 10:22
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stratdax posted:Population in Night City has fallen 30%. This might be a reference/side effect to how one of NC's mayors stopped counting Pacifica as part of Night City in order to polish up the crime rate reports. stratdax posted:Despite poverty supposedly being rampant, it seems like most people still have their own cars, can go out for dinner or drinks, wear nice clothes, and most of all - afford crazy cybermod customization. Even the most destitute have crazy robot limbs for some reason. This is realistic. Just look at the corona breadlines in the US and what kind of cars were piling up on highways. It's just a reflection on what's being overproduced and being sold to anyone who can afford it (or can't but for that there's loan sharking and credit). stratdax posted:At one of the corps, a forced work week of only 80 hours is considered good. Is there really that much work? Even after robotics and AI? Doing what? Also very realistic. It's not about work. Jeff Fatwood fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Dec 28, 2020 |
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Dec 28, 2020 10:22
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stratdax posted:Population in Night City has fallen 30%. Isn't that because they stopped including Pacifica in official statistics? (Which is why the city boasts about a much reduced murder rate)
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Dec 28, 2020 10:22
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stratdax posted:This universe doesn't really make sense. If you get an eyeball implant, you can shoot people in the head with a shotgun and it won't kill them. If the game stole anything from GTA, it's their style of parody.
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Dec 28, 2020 10:27
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KillHour posted:If you get an eyeball implant, you can shoot people in the head with a shotgun and it won't kill them. I assume the cybereye mod photoshops heads back onto people and adds scan result: definitely alive. Jeff Fatwood posted:AAAaaaaAAAaaaaaAAAAaaaAAAAaaaaaaAAARGIATIC!
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Dec 28, 2020 10:30
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The Lone Badger posted:I assume the cybereye mod photoshops heads back onto people and adds scan result: definitely alive. This fits perfectly into the universe and is now canon.
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Dec 28, 2020 10:33
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Sachant posted:I still don't understand this one. Does it go in your nose or something? If so, why? If not, where, and also why? It's a tube of food paste that you add your preferred condiment to by squeezing one of the side bulbs ( there's a poster that shows the different sauces/flavours you can add )
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Dec 28, 2020 10:37
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Talorat posted:It's telling that this game still manages to be this absorbing despite how much of a broken mess it is. Makes me kinda sad that they didn't delay it for six months or however long it would have taken to get it into a good state. People would have gone ape poo poo for this. when they fix it, polish, and maybe rebalance some things (preferably a lot), this might well be one of my favorite games ever. and it's no one single facet that's great. the city, the parkour, the density, the shootouts (when the things fall into place), the cars, the characters, the graphics, the fashion... i could go on.
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Dec 28, 2020 10:39
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The Lone Badger posted:Isn't it "AAAAAAAAARE YOU HARD YET?" Don't know if you're joking but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7JVixmYUMM
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Dec 28, 2020 10:39
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Jeff Fatwood posted:Don't know if you're joking but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7JVixmYUMM Yes that's the ad I'm thinking of, I've always heard "are you hard yet". Implying that you should be excited by the product.
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Dec 28, 2020 10:41
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So I figured out after this visit with Fingers that one of the girls in the waiting room is the stripper Johnny picks up.
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Dec 28, 2020 10:44
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ded posted:So I figured out after this visit with Fingers that one of the girls in the waiting room is the stripper Johnny picks up. Oh wow you’re right. That’s a good catch.
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Dec 28, 2020 10:45
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ded posted:So I figured out after this visit with Fingers that one of the girls in the waiting room is the stripper Johnny picks up. Was that actually her or just the same model? There are so many same character models recycled within the game for different parts, it's very off-putting. edit. VVVVVV ahh cool, nice find Jeff Fatwood fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Dec 28, 2020 |
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Dec 28, 2020 10:54
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Jeff Fatwood posted:Was that actually her or just the same model? There are so many same character models recycled within the game for different parts, it's very off-putting. if you scan her it shows her name
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Dec 28, 2020 11:04
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Dec 28, 2020 11:12
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stratdax posted:This universe doesn't really make sense. For the first question, I think it's a result of Night City both being in a precarious political situation following the 2070 war as well as the dramatic rise in crime and poverty since. It's not a place people really want to be, as I think several of the major characters' stories underscore. For the rest, they sound like questions better asked for America 2020 than Cyberpunk 2077.
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Dec 28, 2020 11:15
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It always makes me laugh when the news report that plays before the main credits announces a recent spike of thirty deaths. V regularly kills a hundred people a day!
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this game is gonna be a really good loving game in 2022 im excited to do my usual second playthrough with whatever dlc
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Dec 28, 2020 11:25
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I just played through Sinnerman which is quite a trip and it also seemed like the only time my max street cred bringer of death V has been recognized. I dunno if the cop always freaks out about having you in the car but it still felt appropriate when it hit.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I just played through Sinnerman which is quite a trip and it also seemed like the only time my max street cred bringer of death V has been recognized. I dunno if the cop always freaks out about having you in the car but it still felt appropriate when it hit. There's also a random encounter with a street vendor somewhere that freaks out some thugs when they see V. Supposedly if you don't have the cred, they actually attack you. Remember, respect is everything.
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Dec 28, 2020 11:44
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FuzzySlippers posted:Man people are pumping the gently caress out of armor in this thread. I'm lvl 30 (50 sc) and I'm finishing up side quests before I complete do the final mission and my armor is 613. That's with mostly legendary stuff, lots of mods, but with no save/load to get the best version and my tech is only 6 and I haven't messed with crafting much so my mods are just what I find/buy. I have also favored looks over stats with gear but not to an absurd degree. I'm lvl 28 and wearing a pair of common gold booty shorts that I found in a late game area yet inexplicably only have 3.8 armor. I couldn't give less of a flying gently caress because the only time I actually die in this game is when some physics bug insta kills me.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I just played through Sinnerman which is quite a trip and it also seemed like the only time my max street cred bringer of death V has been recognized. I dunno if the cop always freaks out about having you in the car but it still felt appropriate when it hit. V pulled steet cred rank in that one minor quest about a couple thugs stealing a merchant's motorcycle. He basically says "you know who I am and what I can do" and they slink off without a fight. It doesn't have a distinctive dialogue tag like stat checks, so its hard to know for certain, but does appear to affect things.
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The athletics perk that reduces damage from explosions seems to be quite useless since any canister explosion is an instakill no matter how much health you have.
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Dec 28, 2020 11:50
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Rinkles posted:Can you murk Rachel (from Sinnerman)? I found an NPC that looked exactly like her out in the wild and we had us a little Marcellus Wallace crossing the road while Butch is at the lights moment.
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Verviticus posted:this game is gonna be a really good loving game in 2022 im excited to do my usual second playthrough with whatever dlc On my 2nd playthrough now as a shootergirl and have to say enjoying this alot more than my 1st hackerman playthrough I am also picking up alot more things in the story as I am actually taking my time because I am not scared of my save file going over 8mb
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