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a fatguy baldspot
Aug 29, 2018

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

We have a theoretical framework for FTL travel, it would just require the energy equivalent of around 700kg of antimatter (about 1.26x10^20 joules) to work

is that a lot

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Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

is why i tossed in the 'in practice'

if humanity does discover ftl it'll be far enough in the future and development of our species that we won't really be 'modern' humans anymore

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib

it matters nearly as much as nothing

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

It isn't even enough to blow up the moon.

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

some of us want to be uploaded in von neumann probes and live forever as an unstoppable wave of trillions upon trillions of copies

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


T-man posted:

some of us want to be uploaded in von neumann probes and live forever as an unstoppable wave of trillions upon trillions of copies

Definitely, before I die upload my consciousness into an interstellar probe. I'll play video games all the way to Alpha Centauri and report back when I get there

a fatguy baldspot
Aug 29, 2018

Accretionist posted:

It isn't even enough to blow up the moon.

pathetic. even master roshi was able to destroy the moon.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Junpei posted:

what strategic advantage does Antarctica have? It's just ice and penguins and research stations.

It's of no use, which means nobody would be dumb enough to invade it or take it over.

what the gently caress are you talking about

https://www.ft.com/content/2fab8e58-59b4-11e8-b8b2-d6ceb45fa9d0

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn3KWM1kuAw

They're programming the killbots to default dance on our corpses

Shalebridge Cradle
Apr 23, 2008



its equivalent to around 20% of the electricity consumed on earth in a year

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

its equivalent to around 20% of the electricity consumed on earth in a year

Why don't we just use that energy for ftl travel instead of smart lightbulbs then

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib

Inceltown posted:

Why don't we just use that energy for ftl travel instead of smart lightbulbs then

need more bitcoins

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Wheeee posted:

the barrier to faster-than-light travel is fundamental to the laws of physics which govern our universe, if there is a way to get around it in practice it's so far beyond our species' conception of reality that it's useless to speculate on its possibility. crossing oceans and powered flight were very different problems, especially given that we already knew both were possible given the existence of birds and whales

not having ftl also does not preclude interstellar travel, humanity had much of the fundamental engineering work done on propulsion technology that could do it like fifty years ago and there are other more powerful nuclear options that we know will work even if the engineering hasn't been solved

flying around in a ship checking out new stars like in fantasy stories such as star trek isn't ever going to happen, but assuming humanity survives the impending climate shitstorm there's no reason we won't someday spread beyond sol

centuries long cryosleep (or an equivalent technology) is a bigger barrier to interstellar travel than propulsion imo. any worldship type solution will probably tear itself to pieces around the time that nobody alive on board remembers what Earth is

indigi has issued a correction as of 07:30 on Dec 30, 2020

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


it would be roughly 100,000 kg of hydrogen fuel for nuclear fusion. the fusion reactor being built will operate with less than a gram of fuel in the reactor.

a fatguy baldspot
Aug 29, 2018

Tokamak posted:

it would be roughly 100,000 kg of hydrogen fuel for nuclear fusion. the fusion reactor being built will operate with less than a gram of fuel in the reactor.

how would you store anti matter? wouldn’t it just explode anything it came in contact with?

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



you store it where it doesn't matter, duh

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

a fatguy baldspot posted:

how would you store anti matter? wouldn’t it just explode anything it came in contact with?

magnetic confinement, and pray that system never fails. at cern they use something called a magnetic bottle.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

Acelerion posted:

How about a concrete cube with 8 other people on an uninhabitable planet 10 years from now

It would still be infinitely more habitable than any other planet

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

indigi posted:

centuries long cryosleep (or an equivalent technology) is a bigger barrier to interstellar travel than propulsion imo. any worldship type solution will probably tear itself to pieces around the time that nobody alive on board remembers what Earth is

"Cryosleep" is just being dead. So all we gotta do is figure out a way to kill someone, and then centuries later bring them back to life. Another thing that sci-fi has convinced us is possible, based on nothing.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

As soon as what ever tech is keeping Kissinger alive goes mainstream we can have people live long enough to get to other places.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Gripweed posted:

"Cryosleep" is just being dead. So all we gotta do is figure out a way to kill someone, and then centuries later bring them back to life. Another thing that sci-fi has convinced us is possible, based on nothing.

but have you considered the possibility of uploading your consciousness to the computer? in a way which definitely will NOT just be killing yourself with a machine so a chatbot can pretend to be you.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

https://twitter.com/ACTPolicing/status/1344093365017726976

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Shalebridge Cradle posted:

We have a theoretical framework for FTL travel, it would just require the energy equivalent of around 700kg of antimatter (about 1.26x10^20 joules) to work

Lol no we don't, we have a solution to Einstein's field equations that requires a thing that likely doesn't exist that some guy calculated out of his rear end would require this much energy equivalent.

Most valid EFE solutions aren't meaningful, most calculations out of an rear end aren't valid, and also, the thing we need does not exist. Also if it did there are a host of other issues completely unaddressed by the theoretical framework, from survivability of people in the spaceship through survivability of the source/destination of the journey all the way to the impact on the fabric of spacetime.

You might as well say "we have a theoretical framework for time travel in hour increments, simply borrow Hermione's timeturner to do it"

bird.
Jun 20, 2010

exmarx posted:

but have you considered the possibility of uploading your consciousness to the computer? in a way which definitely will NOT just be killing yourself with a machine so a chatbot can pretend to be you.

or you upload yourself and watch as nothing happen and you realize you're going to die here while yourre fuccboi rear end in a top hat doppelganger in therre loving PARTYING w/o you

bird.
Jun 20, 2010

its okay I'm allowef to say these things about that complete rear end in a top hat in there as i am him

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


You wouldn't download a consciousness

Senjuro
Aug 19, 2006

exmarx posted:

but have you considered the possibility of uploading your consciousness to the computer? in a way which definitely will NOT just be killing yourself with a machine so a chatbot can pretend to be you.

It's not exactly an upload but a Ship of Theseus style gradual replacement of brain cells with artificial equivalents could allow for real continuity of consciousness and not just a copy of you.

cardiacarrest123
Apr 10, 2016

Wheeee posted:

is why i tossed in the 'in practice'

if humanity does discover ftl it'll be far enough in the future and development of our species that we won't really be 'modern' humans anymore

trying to shepherd a present day biological human body to the nearest other star just wouldn't work. There are too many lethal hazards to attempt to navigate for that length of time and we have no great idea what the long term health effects of such an alien environments would be.

Any serious attempt at such a thing would only make sense after we achieved the ability to radically alter our biology for survival in space and other worlds. Even including real borg style cybernetics.

In other words this is functionally impossible at the moment. We can't even imagine how it might be done.

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


new scp dropped

https://twitter.com/wtfbuildings/status/1343981367462416385

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene


it would be more successful rage bait if it was a US prison

cardiacarrest123
Apr 10, 2016
brb investing my 401k in neuralink

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.




I'm gonna blow this fucker up in the Control sequel

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin

https://m.imgur.com/HO7CC

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
buddy, they won't even let me gently caress it

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

We have a theoretical framework for FTL travel, it would just require the energy equivalent of around 700kg of antimatter (about 1.26x10^20 joules) to work

you can't go faster than light dummy, and even that 1,000 tsar bomba worth of energy is still less than how much energy the sun shines down onto earth alone every half hour

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

every other species has gone extinct on earth and humans will too, and that's OK because there's no where better for us to be by a country mile

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

we don't even live at the bottom of the ocean (or underwater at all) on our big watery ball planet

why the gently caress would we go to mars or some other star system, underwater is like 10 miles from me right now and it has food in it and is a reasonable temperature

we don't even live in our deserts that have vegitation and oxygen in the atmosphere and whatever. it's a disgusting fantasy to leave earth

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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Antonymous posted:

we don't even live at the bottom of the ocean (or underwater at all) on our big watery ball planet

why the gently caress would we go to mars or some other star system, underwater is like 10 miles from me right now and it has food in it and is a reasonable temperature

we don't even live in our deserts that have vegitation and oxygen and whatever. it's a disgusting fantasy to leave earth

Th' planet's dyin', Cloud!

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