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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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I don't really understand how that statement "doesn't make any sense at all". It's a pretty standard sentiment across many car communities regarding OTS tunes, this isn't something new or specific to our hot hatches only. From my understanding, they are very simple tunes that don't push too many boundaries in any direction so that they can work on basically any vehicle and without issues. Whereas with the smaller, more "bespoke" type tuners work directly with the customer(IE: you send them logs and they adjust your tune, etc) and can tailor it more to your specific car/mod's/push boundaries further/give you specially desired features(pops and crackles, etc). Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the OTS tunes are poo poo or that they should be avoided or anything. But to say that an OTS tune is just as good or that there is no difference vs a custom in house dyno tune or even a custom remote tune by one of the reliable, well regarded tuners for these specific vehicles feels disingenuous.
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Dec 2, 2020 06:49
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"bespoke" (lmao) tuning makes sense to me if you have other mods but there really is not that much variation in stock cars. you've kind of hit the nail on the head when you included "push boundaries" in there. OTS tunes are relatively conservative. of course something that stresses components more is going to get more power from your car. you could accomplish the same with an aggressive OTS tune, except nobody sells them because they aren't idiots. it ain't the "bespoke" nature (unless it's part of a bigger mod package) it's the tolerance for risk
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Dec 2, 2020 11:39
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BRB, going to the tuner for a bespoke hole in my piston
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Dec 2, 2020 15:00
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angryrobots posted:BRB, going to the tuner for a bespoke hole in my piston Yeah right. You'd be putting an awful lot of faith in a tuner to know exactly what they are doing for a "bespoke" tune right to the limits of your motor. I'd rather take the conservative route.
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Dec 2, 2020 15:36
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There are variances in fuel and climate and driving style that can cause timing pulls and knock. I don't know about tunes, but with a JB4, you can send your logs and they can dial in the fuel levels and boost for your fuel and climate to make sure you're not going to damage your engine. If you don't think that is a thing, than sure, use the OTS ones.
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Dec 2, 2020 17:16
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It took me a while to figure out the perfect word there and I'm so happy "bespoke" has had such resounding success. Let's get it in the thread title.
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Dec 2, 2020 18:30
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OTS tunes being bad is such a weird concept for me. Of course you could always wring out a few more hp with a custom tune, but OTS tunes for anything up to full bolt on have always been good for all my VW’s and now my M3. Hell, I can tune my M3 with my phone too. No one really fucks with custom tunes unless they’re doing E85 or have upgraded turbos.
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Dec 2, 2020 19:08
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The internet seems to have this very blind view into what really happens when you actually run vehicles hard or expect OEM-like reliability and therefore seems to think that tunes should be able to be pushed to the bleeding edge just fine, and if they aren't then the tuner is being a conservative bitch and will go elsewhere. Also, the canned tunes are based around a certain set of mods and if you don't have them exactly then there will be variances. Something like a different aftermarket intake can make massive differences due to the way that the air flows through the MAF.
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Dec 2, 2020 19:11
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BlackMK4 posted:Also, the canned tunes are based around a certain set of mods and if you don't have them exactly then there will be variances. Something like a different aftermarket intake can make massive differences due to the way that the air flows through the MAF. This is what I meant. There are a lot of variables that go into a tune - specific mods, altitude, driving style. I only used bespoke because I meant "specifically made for you."
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Dec 2, 2020 19:21
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fknlo posted:OTS tunes being bad is such a weird concept for me. Of course you could always wring out a few more hp with a custom tune, but OTS tunes for anything up to full bolt on have always been good for all my VW’s and now my M3. Hell, I can tune my M3 with my phone too. No one really fucks with custom tunes unless they’re doing E85 or have upgraded turbos.
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Dec 2, 2020 19:33
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right i mean pretty clearly Dont Buy Cobb Tunes but there are plenty decent off the shelf tunes available
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Dec 2, 2020 19:37
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:right i mean pretty clearly Dont Buy Cobb Tunes but there are plenty decent off the shelf tunes available
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Any GTI folks have an idea of why my 17 is not wanting to start anymore? I’ve had the battery checked at a couple of places and it’s coming back fine. It’s gotten a bit colder here recently, but that’s never been an issue before. The issue seems to come and go and I’ve fixed it with a jump once before. I did notice that my backup camera glitched out one recently and I got a error about the adaptive headlights the other day so I’m hoping it’s not some electrical gremlin.
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Dec 4, 2020 16:28
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I'd say battery still. My dad has had the start stop system whine for ages, but the shops say the battery is fine.
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Dec 4, 2020 16:37
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Echoing the replace the battery comment.
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Dec 4, 2020 16:52
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I had occaional start problems on a totally different car and ~3 year old battery, jumps worked for a while and the Auto Zone or wherever I got it from tested it successfully a couple times - once jumps stopped working mechanic said the battery was shorting out and it worked fine after replacing it.
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Dec 4, 2020 16:54
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You can't really have your battery "tested" because a lot of the Gremlins of a dead/dying one won't appear until it's under heavy load.
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Dec 4, 2020 18:19
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A tester will probably say your battery is "working as intended for the battery", but not "working as intended for VW".
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Dec 4, 2020 18:37
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Got some bespoke wheels for my vibe.
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Dec 5, 2020 22:01
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Looks to have been the battery as suspected. The old one appears to have been leaking a bit given the residue built up in the cradle. It was also apparently the one that came with the car so 3 yrs/50k miles isn’t a bad run. The only thing that bothers me is the new one is slightly bulkier than the OEM so the battery jacket thing doesn’t fit it. I assume it’s fine to just ignore that? Or should I go get some duct tape and make it work?
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Dec 6, 2020 00:30
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I got the Mountune B7 kit for the RS as an early Christmas present for myself. Finished the install yesterday and got the tune installed. Whooooeeeee, pulls so hard. It was dark and cold as heck so I'm excited to do some more driving in the daytime later today, and pulling some logs. New intercooler is thicc 
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Dec 8, 2020 15:00
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Don’t they only ever test the voltage when they do a battery check? Because that really proves nothing. As mentioned, it could still be 12V but the capacity be much reduced so you can’t support the amperage needed. I just replaced my ‘12 GTI battery (8 years, 110k miles!) for the same problem. Still read correct voltage though.
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Dec 8, 2020 15:02
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Beats me. The little dohickey they used looked like a toy so I doubt it did much. That said you get what you pay for (here being free). If I ran it over to my mechanic I figure they would have done something a bit more thorough.
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Dec 8, 2020 15:30
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Testing a battery is notoriously difficult because as batteries start to degrade they can sometimes work correctly and other times not, as well.
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Dec 8, 2020 17:11
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My GTI needed a battery in the 3 years I owned it. I think I had to replace the battery in my TDI at around the 3 year mark too. The OE battery in my S2000 made it like 12 years. To be fair, it just sits in a garage all the time. I'm still saving up to replace the battery in my M3 because 
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Dec 8, 2020 17:24
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Testing a battery is notoriously difficult because as batteries start to degrade they can sometimes work correctly and other times not, as well. Can you use Viagra on a battery?
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Dec 8, 2020 17:28
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fknlo posted:My GTI needed a battery in the 3 years I owned it. I think I had to replace the battery in my TDI at around the 3 year mark too. I think there's some fuckery with modern DI engines that have a higher pre-crank power draw to energize various pumps, and there's of course a lot more electronic systems in general in a GTI than a S2K.
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Dec 8, 2020 17:31
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Warbird posted:Beats me. The little dohickey they used looked like a toy so I doubt it did much. That said you get what you pay for (here being free). If I ran it over to my mechanic I figure they would have done something a bit more thorough. I use a carbon pile load tester. Loads that bitch right up and it becomes very clear if it’s a bad battery.
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Dec 8, 2020 17:59
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I've had the OEM 2016 and one aftermarket battery fail in my GTI, in both cases a bad cell, but in both cases it cranked perfectly, then for like a day sounded a little sluggish, then failed to crank. the second one even took a charge and of course was dead the next day. Also, the second one was the maximum battery that would fit the tray, way bigger than the battery jacket.
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Dec 8, 2020 21:46
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Sipher posted:I got the Mountune B7 kit for the RS as an early Christmas present for myself. Finished the install yesterday and got the tune installed. Whooooeeeee, pulls so hard. It was dark and cold as heck so I'm excited to do some more driving in the daytime later today, and pulling some logs. As much as I appreciate the Mountune bling, I think when I finally get past the warranty period I’m going to buy a built motor and transmission and shoot for 600 HP. Adam at Tune+ is doing some serious development for the Ecoboost community across the board. I’ll be real interested in what he does to the new Bronco.
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Dec 9, 2020 04:19
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Are you going straight from stock to a built motor? I like doing upgrades piecemeal, I feel like I appreciate each step/part more but that's a personal preference. The new tune makes the car pop and crackle a lot more in normal driving mode. With the Borla exhaust that's sometimes a bit much for just normal around town driving, I'm wondering if/how I can tune out the pops in normal driving and keep them in sport/track/drift.
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Dec 9, 2020 15:17
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Has anyone here had hands on with the ODBeleven Next Gen on an iOS phone? I've been wanting to try it out ever since I grabbed an older model from a fellow goon without realizing it was Android only (totally on me). Tangentially related, does anyone have a foam gun they're fond of? I got a pressure washer from the inlaws for Christmas and want to get in on that. I'm likely just going to get the $30 amazon special as as long as it works I don't really care.
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Dec 27, 2020 00:29
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I installed a Group 48 AGM battery in my FoST. So the FoST comes stock with a 96r battery. It's perfectly functional, but I wanted to go AGM after noticing that the PO installed battery had been leaking. From my research, the 96r is a less common size overall, and AGM options are slim and expensive. I didn't really think a high quality Odyssey battery is needed - I just wanted a middling quality AGM so it's sealed. The Escape community discovered some time ago that they could fit a larger 94r battery with slight modification, and that's fine but I really prefer to stick with OEM parts. The 94r also suffers from being a less common size, especially in AGM (note- some of the difficulty I had is possibly because battery stocks are low because of the pandemic. In the not so distant future, you may have more options). As it happens, Ford also put a Group 48 (H6) battery in the Escape and Focus models with auto-start, including the RS. I did some digging though parts diagrams, and it appeared that the models with the Group 48 battery used the same box and mounting plate, with taller lids and mounting strap. So I ordered those new (will put parts #'s at the bottom), and was able to find an AGM battery locally at NAPA for $166. I went ahead and installed that, which I documented here in the "what you did today" thread. Pretty straightforward, actually the ST box lids fit. They're very tight, and may pop off if you hit a bad pothole, but they lasted a few hundred miles and are certainly fine if your battery died and you want to replace it right now. The strap also fit with a couple large nuts as spacers. It works a lot better with the group 48 battery than the 94r, because the 48 has molded bits on the top for the strap to fit inside and prevent longitudinal movement (important since for any of these larger batteries you have to take out the motion restrictor things that are part of the 96r box assembly). I didn't even have to bend the strap or remove the handles like they did for the Escape 94r.  Anyway the new OEM bits arrived today so I could see if my Ford diagram Lego-Fu is still up to par.  New vs old.  You could get by with the ST lids, but IMO the correct strap is probably worth it. It fits very nicely.  Handles still fit under the new covers.  All buttoned up OEM like.  Oh yeah the RS airbox. I installed that some time ago because PO broke the stock one and it was the same price and the slight increase in whoosh whoosh noises appealed to my childishness. I just wanted to mention that if you are installing any battery in a Focus of any variety, I think it's a lot easier to remove the airbox (which in turn is easier to remove by taking loose the intake tubing that goes behind the engine, first. Seriously it's like 3 bolts/straps just do it), and if you're removing the airbox make sure to lift it out while holding onto the rear support arm on the left side. Or else, it'll probably break like mine did for PO and you'll have an excuse to get a new RS box. This thing on the left rear as you're facing it. It's fragile. You'll also want to reset the BMS. The reason I was in such a hurry to get the new battery slapped in there, is that my FIL was visiting and he had a laptop with Forscan, and appropriate high and low speed CANBUS adjustable OBD2 cable. So we did that, and removed the annoying as hell double horn honk (if you get out with it running and the key is in your pocket), which was practically life changing. Parts: Group 48 (H6) AGM battery $166.00 DV6Z-10718-A Hold Down Clamp $6.94 DV6Z-10A659-B Rear Cover $9.21 DV6Z-10A659-A Front Cover $11.23 You may want to make sure your battery hasn't been leaking already. If I had seen the corrosion that was on mine, I probably would have just bought a new battery box and mounting plate while they are still current and available parts. Now mine are cleaned and repainted and it's FINE but I might still replace them later. That's all, thanks for skimming my effortpost. angryrobots fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Dec 27, 2020 02:49
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Been looking at the AWE exhaust for my 16 GTI, are there any recommendations for or against it? I was thinking of the track exhaust but keep the stock downpipe in the hope it wouldn't be too loud.
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Dec 30, 2020 15:12
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What are you looking for in an exhaust? The stock exhaust with a catted downpipe is both a power increase and a sound increase.
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Dec 30, 2020 17:40
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My next GTI I really want to look into those adjustable exhausts where you push a button to actuate a valve to make it loud or quiet. Some newer Mustangs have this feature from the factory.
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Dec 30, 2020 17:55
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BlackMK4 posted:What are you looking for in an exhaust? The stock exhaust with a catted downpipe is both a power increase and a sound increase. Mostly something that is a bit louder, but not excessively so, with a bit of power too.
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Dec 30, 2020 18:11
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Styles Bitchley posted:My next GTI I really want to look into those adjustable exhausts where you push a button to actuate a valve to make it loud or quiet. Some newer Mustangs have this feature from the factory. My Veloster N has this feature and it’s really great.
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Dec 31, 2020 06:26
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i was under the impression the AWE exhaust is really really loud you could always go with the cheap option of the clubsport axleback. sound improvement only, no performance gain.
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I've heard mixed things, I may just go with the stock downpipe and track exhaust. I've heard the same setup in person and it seemed reasonable.
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