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Hackan Slash
May 31, 2007
Hit it until it's not a problem anymore

No Wave posted:

Crimson witch for Diluc is by far the most upsetting thing to grind because it's a 4-piece for an important character and nobody else wants much of it (Xiangling and Klee only want 2 pieces, Bennett doesnt want it at all). Even hydro domain is less tilting because the other set is usable unlike Lavawalkers. Crimson Witch is also the longest most suck domain with no fun parts.

Dps Bennett definitely wants Witch

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No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
you'd usually not build dps bennett in addition to dps diluc. Its not impossible, just unlikely.

valuum
Sep 3, 2003
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Got really lucky on this banner, got my first Bennett and 2 extras! He's bloody brilliant, and that burst charges amazingly fast.

Pity at 55, and the next one is guaranteed to be on-banner, so I'm noping out of this one (sorry Albedo, team's full).

The Crusher
Aug 13, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT HOW MUCH I LOVE NEKOMIMI CLIFFYB

Andrast posted:

Have you considered building supports that increase Ning's numbers? like bennett

Oh I have! Bennie has a shiny skyward blade and Noblesse set for that purpose. Noelle as well for the shield dmg bonus. And Klee for the pyro damage team bonus. I'm just sad Sucrose can't do anything for Geo damage really.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

i fell into substat hell for Sucrose and XQ and am now basically trapped in that lens for most things. i'll keep crappy crit hats, other rare mainstats, some ele% cups stuff etc. but it's so hard to justify feathers/flowers with like 1 good sub and only 3 showing

bad luck on the new sets and my Petra luck drying up make it feel pretty poo poo lately, but it's impossible to say whether this resin would get me good Noblesse pieces or a passable VV set for Jean anyway.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Idk if I want to be done with a domain and want to finish a 4 set I always roll the fourth substat if either crit substat is showing. I can live with a feather that has 3 out of 4 rolls go into crit rate/damage even if the other attributes are flat HP flat def.

To me this feather is just barely not good enough for a 4-set - if +16 rolled into either crit stat I'd feel ok with it:



But artifact standards are always going to be a question of how badly off the rest of your team is.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Dec 31, 2020

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?
Jesus gently caress this would be hilarious if it wasn't a limited time event that potentially saved literal days of resin. I've had rounds that go a minute and "instant death gently caress you enjoy your time waiting on the tower for heals" rounds based entirely on when/if the marker for the shield spawns. I've picked up 14 shards and didn't get the event cheevo ticked off. I went into multiplayer and you get a single death... so god help you when there's no shield marker. Most of the time it's luck because I happened to blindly dash to the shield in the .2 seconds before the instakill aoe starts.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
I think you can re-enter the arena in co-op. You go to the glowing thing and press E.

You're right about the days of resin though. I calculated it as about 3 days worth, plus the crown and 2 refinements for the amazing weapon (do use a DPS that can carry Festering Desire if possible for this event, you deal 60% extra damage).

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum
Keqing must be amazing for this stage just for the ability to hold Festering Desire with full bonuses and charge spam an immobile enemy.

Saxophone
Sep 19, 2006


I've got Diluc, Childe, and Ning for carries at the moment and unless I wind up with another DPS monster from a banner, current plan is to get every single one of my characters to 60/70. The only 4* I'm missing is Fiona so it's a bit of a project, but I really like having options. Plus it's a nice distraction from artifact hellgrind. Not that I'm not gonna do it, but because of the project, if I don't feel like hellgrind, I can just resin a bunch of leylines for books and call it a day or do other fun things.

Pope Urbane II
Nov 25, 2012
For super ice flower I'm running Black Tassel Zhongli, heal Jean, Klee, and support Xiangling. 1 or 2 cycles each time at WL 7, depending mostly on pyronado availability.

Can't die if your gremlin can't take damage, and you don't need Amber if you can use Jean's shotgun.

I did lose with my current friendship-leveling squad of Zhongli, Jean, Diluc, Xianqui the first time but D and XQ aren't really geared right.

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS
So here's something weird. The game world has long range world states. If i'm on the stage of a Child's Secret with Pallad in it I can't do the event quest because he's busy.

This isn't slightly an exaggeration either. Opening up the quest menu to try and figure out why I had no objective had a special message on the albedo event page quest saying "A character is currently involved in other quests. Cannot join this quest.".

It had a question mark next to this message in red. Clicking on it reveals that "Recklass Pallad" is a character considered so important that he can't be in both quests at the same time! :stare:


Edit: Went to the quest site for "A Child's Secret" and lo and behold, Pallad is chilling with Diluc and Kaeya. And has weird voice lines that do not match what is on the screen. Not sure if that's a bug or what but it was really odd. He started ranting about adventure all of a sudden instead of calling Diluc and Kaeya out on their bullshit.

Makes me wonder if they're going to do some really large scale stuff where story and character quests will change the state of the world. Or already are. I wonder if that would explain why I haven't seen those "Reckless Pallad has gotten attacked by slimes!" things in Monstadt that often anymore...

Archonex fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Dec 31, 2020

funkymonks
Aug 31, 2004

Pillbug
Ugh those feels when you pull off pity, see that orange glow, and end up with Qiqis C2.

avoraciopoctules
Oct 22, 2012

What is this kid's DEAL?!

I just rolled Qiqi while I was filling out my battle pass missions with standard wishes. That's pretty cool, I only have 1 healer seriously developed so far and no high level Ice user. But I'm not sure how I should build her... the sample build says to go all in on the healer set, but I hear that her heals are big enough already.

Right now, my mainstay is Keqing+Barbara. Barbara's healing aura also puts water on the enemy for electroshock, and it lowers the stamina cost of charge attacks. I rotate out the other slots depending on situational need.

It seems like Qiqi has a similar heal aura skill, but it pulses ice damage periodically instead of just applying wet status. Perhaps the ice set would be good for her? If I use her with Keqing, I'd probably need to focus on physical damage due to superconduct not boosting elemental.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

avoraciopoctules posted:


It seems like Qiqi has a similar heal aura skill, but it pulses ice damage periodically instead of just applying wet status. Perhaps the ice set would be good for her? If I use her with Keqing, I'd probably need to focus on physical damage due to superconduct not boosting elemental.

Qiqi's niche is that you just pop her 2nd talent/Burst and let your DPS go to town from the fast heal.

nessin
Feb 7, 2010
I can see how to kill it quickly and consistently, but I'm being punished for not focusing my characters to be as best they could because I've been trying different combos and pulling new characters to test. This challenge, even without attempting stuff like killing under 3 mins, is basically Mihoyo saying gently caress you to people who didn't find their core team and focused on them exclusively. I'm sure had I not spent a lot of resources on Klee trying to like her but failing and had I not pulled constellations on Beidou and Noelle built them up in lieu of continuing to strengthen Xiangling, or put all my resources into Bennett as soon as I could, or loved Fischl enough to use her regularly, this challenge would be super easy. Even with my substandard characters I can still get the flower down to half health, but I'm not good enough to survive for the second cycle regularly to actually beat the event. That's even swapping in Noelle and depending on her shields. The main problems:

- I went to WL7 yesterday with characters that were good enough to handle commissions and bosses that didn't have extra gently caress you mechanics. They aren't good enough for dealing with this combo. And I can't even work on the crutch of the sword because my only "carry" type sword character at 80 is the traveller, who hasn't had any talents leveled up even if they were useful on this boss. I'm fine with commissions taking 20 mins to complete because they're weak or 4 cycling a pryovine if needed, that doesn't work here.

- I literally can't see the notification on the screen that an ice crystal has popped up and thus the vine is going to do it's aoe attack. There is too much on the screen and a dark blue icon and a light blue everything else just doesn't work while trying to stay alive. Thus my warning is when the cryovine actually announces it's attack, and if you're not at the crystal at the moment, you're going to eat damage. If you're more than halfway away or have eaten through your stamina, you're just dead.

YES bread
Jun 16, 2006
What's up fellow Qiqi rollers, I didn't really plan to hit pity while chasing a single Bennet but gacha will gacha

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Hidden standard rate up is happening again. It's real guys.

funkymonks posted:

Ugh those feels when you pull off pity, see that orange glow, and end up with Qiqis C2.
I'm so, so sorry.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

avoraciopoctules posted:

I just rolled Qiqi while I was filling out my battle pass missions with standard wishes. That's pretty cool, I only have 1 healer seriously developed so far and no high level Ice user. But I'm not sure how I should build her... the sample build says to go all in on the healer set, but I hear that her heals are big enough already.

Right now, my mainstay is Keqing+Barbara. Barbara's healing aura also puts water on the enemy for electroshock, and it lowers the stamina cost of charge attacks. I rotate out the other slots depending on situational need.

It seems like Qiqi has a similar heal aura skill, but it pulses ice damage periodically instead of just applying wet status. Perhaps the ice set would be good for her? If I use her with Keqing, I'd probably need to focus on physical damage due to superconduct not boosting elemental.

2pc of the new set would be okay, but i can't say i've ever paid attention to her damage. 2pc Scholar/Exile stacked is nice to boost her ER since she doesn't generate any particles herself and better burst uptime makes for more frequent healing. full 4pc Exile wouldn't be awful either to give her some additional support utility for your team. as for stats, ER/Atk/Atk is probably her ideal but you could go pure Atk since that's how her healing scales.

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Nakar posted:

That sounds about right. The substat hellgrind isn't really worth it since it's completely loving rigged but there's not much else to do I guess. I would suggest not bothering with getting anyone to 80/90 (at least outside maybe a primary carry) until AR55 just because you get 5* Gladiator/Wanderer every time at WL8 and if you're gonna have to farm world bosses dozens of times per ascension you may as well get a crack at decent artifacts for it.

This all seems good, I pushed a carry to 90 (diluc) also as a break, helped me get full stars on abyss this go round. The problem with waiting for 55 is i'm at 1/2 or 2/3 way through 52-53 and Character levels or high end talents are basically all I have left to dump resin on before artifact hellgrind. I'd suggest going at least to 70/80 to get those higher talents and maybe getting reaction supports to 80.

I will say you could theoretically get good returns out of running the soothers builds on carry's as an alternate set, Ido 2/2 glad and elemental on my klee / keqing but I could get better returns on some floors with soothers/walkers

Also nobless drops both the recharge sets I think as 4* so if your not running bennet with fire is a good dungeon

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?
Through a lot of menuing very very fast I managed to get ten kills out of 50-ish attempts. I'm not even sure what's wrong. Everything just comes out instantly. It's like the whole thing is running server-side in online mode. Sometimes you get ages to casually saunter over to a shield and sometimes you get the warning and marker (if a marker spawns) right when the aoe hits. Switching to a Keqing team with the event sword helped secure a better win rate but this is easily the hardest loving content in the game to the point where it feels like a glitch.

Edit: 45 healing items down. I'm out. Going to take a while to heal back even with being quick on the alt-f4.

Mailer fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Dec 31, 2020

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Im sitting on like 600 purple books with both my hard carries at 80 and and most of my support units at 60/70 with fish at 70/70. I have no desire to level anyone so my stack continues to grow.

I should focus on talents now instead of farming more exp books. But that entails a bit more effort

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

valuum posted:

Gave co-op a go since I'm nowhere near those ^^^ solo clear times, but yeesh. Didnt seem like the people I matched with were terrible, just feels like the fight is overtuned for co-op?

it is way overtuned in coop, Sekapoko has a nice video up showing him making GBS threads on the flower solo then getting absolutely ground into paste in coop

Nakar posted:

Obligatory reminder that Jinx put out a 40 minute Albedo video where he never once addressed that the sheer number of Crystallizes shat out passively by Albedo's E means having near-constant shield coverage and how this can significantly reduce damage taken or (in concert with other supports and dodging) eliminate it almost entirely, while also allowing melees like Diluc to play aggressive due to a much lower risk of interruption from incidental damage or ranged enemies or grass Overloads or whatever. Like with Zhongli you can make the legitimate case that putting up his shield (without C2) is inconvenient due to the cast time, but Tartaglia just automatically has shields up all the time when paired with Albedo and there is no particular opportunity cost for it because the crystals pop directly on top of your carry and get picked up with zero interruption in DPS.
genshin ~math guys~ just do not value things like survivability or utility much at all

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.
also if anyone is struggling with the event flower, friendly reminder not to hoard your consumables. 25% res doesn't sound like that much but a single Frostshield Potion will make a massive difference. layer some guardian food on top of that and baby you got a stew goin

Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
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Soothing Vapors posted:

it is way overtuned in coop, Sekapoko has a nice video up showing him making GBS threads on the flower solo then getting absolutely ground into paste in coop

genshin ~math guys~ just do not value things like survivability or utility much at all

If they did not want people to focus on DPS to the exclusion of all other stats they should stop giving content timers to artificially introduce difficulty. Let someone take 20 minutes to beat a Spiral Abyss level if they want and still get the rewards.

Pain of Mind fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Dec 31, 2020

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Nakar posted:

I'm legitimately confused how anyone can play with Albedo for more than a few minutes and not notice that he gives really, really good shield coverage despite not having an actual shield skill, and then put together a video talking about Albedo using footage where that keeps happening and still not notice and mention it.

or you could use bennet, who lets you be even more aggressive and also provides powerful attack buffs. Or if we bring in 5* how jeans ult can do similar work but also she acts as a battery for Venti/sucrose, or qiqi lets you play even more aggressive. if the change about geo shields being more effective against all ements goes in I could see the benefit by crystalise does not do a lot of work at higher abyss vs more specialised healing/shielding (like Diona).

AshtonDragon
Sep 5, 2011

Nakar posted:

Keqing must be amazing for this stage just for the ability to hold Festering Desire with full bonuses and charge spam an immobile enemy.

Yup. I was able to get a time of 0:35 thanks to her absolutely demolishing it before it gets back up consistently, although admittedly that was on an account at world level 5. Even with really good artifacts, I don't know if that would be as easy at world level 7.

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe
Doing the research nobody asked of me, I've found that If you glide from the top of the nail on Dragonspine mountain using two anemo characters, stamina recovering food, and Amber's gliding bonus, you can land on the top deck of the Wangshu Inn.

Hackan Slash
May 31, 2007
Hit it until it's not a problem anymore

Pain of Mind posted:

If they did not want people to focus on DPS to the exclusion of all other stats they should stop giving content timers to artificially introduce difficulty. Let someone take 20 minutes to beat a Spiral Abyss level if they want and still get the rewards.

Unfortunately the options for difficulty in genshin are either time constraints forcing max deeps, or extremely annoying mechanics requiring shields. There's not much they could do to add difficulty that feels"fair"

Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
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Hackan Slash posted:

Unfortunately the options for difficulty in genshin are either time constraints forcing max deeps, or extremely annoying mechanics requiring shields. There's not much they could do to add difficulty that feels"fair"

They could always try designing interesting encounters that are also challenging rather than tuned up trash mobs from the world.

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

AshtonDragon posted:

Yup. I was able to get a time of 0:35 thanks to her absolutely demolishing it before it gets back up consistently, although admittedly that was on an account at world level 5. Even with really good artifacts, I don't know if that would be as easy at world level 7.

It can do some work at WL7, was as fast first try than my fastst diluc clear (who has 10 levels on her) (Admittedly im using C6 bennet so I can overload spam with her + fischl)

Sexual Aluminum
Jun 21, 2003

is made of candy
Soiled Meat
Holy poo poo, this regivine event sucks. The first two events were neato and fun, easy to bang out. This vine is a terrible terrible experience

zgrowler2
Oct 29, 2011

HOW DOES THE IPHONE APP WORK?? I WILL SPAM ENDLESSLY EVERYWHERE AND DISREGARD ANY REPLIES
Anyone know what the respawn timer on scarlet quartz is? Missing a hit on this "thaw the spheres out" quest is a pain in the rear end and I'm only willing to hunt the drat crystals for so long. Currently need one more at the nail stage of the quest.

Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
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zgrowler2 posted:

Anyone know what the respawn timer on scarlet quartz is? Missing a hit on this "thaw the spheres out" quest is a pain in the rear end and I'm only willing to hunt the drat crystals for so long. Currently need one more at the nail stage of the quest.

When used for those quests they do not respawn, you are missing a hidden one somewhere.

zgrowler2
Oct 29, 2011

HOW DOES THE IPHONE APP WORK?? I WILL SPAM ENDLESSLY EVERYWHERE AND DISREGARD ANY REPLIES
oof, good to know. guess I'll keep at it, thanks for the heads up

Space Opera
Jun 5, 2011

That rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide! It's a killer!

I'm sure this co-op event can't be THAT bad at WL5..... :eyepop: Jesus, at least they could spawn you into the shield area if you retry while the death zone is active. I think I died 3 times back to back because of that.

Did they do ZERO testing on the beta servers? It feels like if you were physically plugged into the server you MIGHT have enough time to reach the safe area consistently.

N-N-N-NINE BREAKER
Jul 12, 2014

zgrowler2 posted:

Anyone know what the respawn timer on scarlet quartz is? Missing a hit on this "thaw the spheres out" quest is a pain in the rear end and I'm only willing to hunt the drat crystals for so long. Currently need one more at the nail stage of the quest.

Something that stumped me for a bit was that they have an intended order on that one, so for the nail specifically, if you use a later quartz on an earlier orb, the intended quartz for that earlier orb will disappear and the later one will respawn

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre
gently caress that flower, like holy poo poo, this is the first anything to give me trouble since the game began. I actually had to go co-op.

Space Opera
Jun 5, 2011

That rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide! It's a killer!

zgrowler2 posted:

oof, good to know. guess I'll keep at it, thanks for the heads up

There is one that WILL respawn on the ledge you reach with an anemo pillar. I think I used the one next to the ruin guard to melt a chest or something, so I had to use the one up there for 2 of the 3 pieces of the pillar.

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Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
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I have not had much trouble for the flower, outside of the times it decides to AOE without any sort of notice and I have no idea where the shield crystal is. I cannot one shot it, but can 2 shot it in about 1 min 10 seconds. My problem is I cannot seem to get the "hit 10 times with a crystal" quest. I did it slowly and got over 12 hits and it did not count, do you need to hit it somewhere specific or with a certain weapon or something? Do you also need to win, or can you just hit it 10 times and then leave? I have spent literally more time trying to do this 10 hit thing than it took to buy out the whole shop.

Pain of Mind fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Dec 31, 2020

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