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serious gaylord posted:Bournemouth/Poole/Christchuch got moved into tier 4 a few days back, but not Dorset county council. Sounds simple, but in practice due to the way the new council lines were drawn up after the mergers we now have a situation in Hamworthy thats utterly absurd. All the shops are on one side of the main road which falls under BCP council. But over the road is the majority of the housing in Hamworthy, which falls under Dorset council. Now they cant go to the shop 100 yards away to buy food as this is entering a tier 4 area and you're not allowed to do that according to our MP. This means they now need to go nearly 10 miles to the next nearest supermarket in the Dorset council area, yet all their kids can mingle in the school thats in tier 4 and they can all go to work in Tier 4's Sunseeker yard down the road. loving hell that's an impressive one 
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Vitamin P posted:Looking back at particular things that caused people to stop giving a gently caress about isolating I reckon there's a big three; 2. was never excused by anyone with a brain as that. Most on the left and within the BLM movement agreed it wasn't ideal timing but ultimately social flashpoints often don't come at ideal moments - I cannot blame any black person for taking that risk to make the world a better place for themselves and every other black person, or anyone else for going along as an ally.
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Jan 2, 2021 00:49
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Vitamin P posted:1. Cummings doing his disease-ridden UK tour and then the Prime Minister saying it was Good Actually and in fact is morally much better for a father to do than following the rules is. As someone in Dorset this preceded the mass influx to Bournemouth and Poole beaches with many saying that they stopped giving a poo poo because of Cummings. I mean a lot of them probably would have done it anyway but I think you can definitely pin it as one of the things that hosed everything up
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Jan 2, 2021 00:51
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Wish they’d at least called the tiers something properly dystopian like Restricted Zones or Threat Level Red, this is bullshit
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Jan 2, 2021 00:55
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They needed a threat scale that allowed endless additions at the top end. Like when you're sending a kid to bed with a countdown and you end up at 9.5 and a quarter and a bit and you're dragging your words ouuuuuuuuuut. Not ideal.
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Jan 2, 2021 01:06
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One of the biggest gently caress ups for me was fining people who don't self isolate rather than paying them to do it.
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Convex posted:As someone in Dorset this preceded the mass influx to Bournemouth and Poole beaches with many saying that they stopped giving a poo poo because of Cummings. I mean a lot of them probably would have done it anyway but I think you can definitely pin it as one of the things that hosed everything up I didnt know there was any other Bournemouth and Poole people around. This summer was horrendous wasnt it. Utterly mad. I remember cycling through Lulworth at 8am on a Sunday and the car parks were already full and the Police were setting up to turn people away.
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Jan 2, 2021 01:11
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serious gaylord posted:I didnt know there was any other Bournemouth and Poole people around. This summer was horrendous wasnt it. Utterly mad. Yeah it was poo poo. Thankfully we managed to find a beach that seemingly none of the tourists knew about, probably because it's tiny, so we managed to avoid all that. Still was crazy when they started closing down roads and all that
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Convex posted:As someone in Dorset this preceded the mass influx to Bournemouth and Poole beaches with many saying that they stopped giving a poo poo because of Cummings. I mean a lot of them probably would have done it anyway but I think you can definitely pin it as one of the things that hosed everything up The Cummings moment was definitely when a lot of middle class patriot types stopped caring. Until then it was blitz spirit but once Bojo made it a one-rule-for-X-one-rule-for-Y thing a ton of people were like 'well frankly I consider myself more a Y' Jakabite posted:2. was never excused by anyone with a brain as that. Most on the left and within the BLM movement agreed it wasn't ideal timing but ultimately social flashpoints often don't come at ideal moments - I cannot blame any black person for taking that risk to make the world a better place for themselves and every other black person, or anyone else for going along as an ally. It's definitely true that flashpoints have to be seized as they emerge, and morally BLM are sound, but there is no reason why the movement couldn't build without moronic mass street protests. It's bizarre that you "cannot blame any black person for taking that risk" do you think the young people of any race that went out were actually at risk themselves? The massive joke was we had UK idiots chanting "I can't breathe" while directly spreading a respiratory illness that would literally and actually stop vulnerable people from being able to breathe. gently caress those cunts, they achieved nothing except killing a few people more vulnerable than them.
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Except they didn't do that at all. The protests didn't cause any uptick in COVID, as reported everywhere about 6 months ago. Sources: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...nt9Nyn_TSiCP_CD https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...5ouQBU7NEtBHHwk
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BLM protests were largely not covid superspreader events because THEY HAPPENED OUTDOORS. Catching covid outside has, albeit via very limited data, been shown to be way less dangerous if you even are unlucky enough to catch it in the open air.
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Jan 2, 2021 01:41
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Lol. The solution to covid is to make covid more scary by having black people protest and scare white people indoors.
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Jan 2, 2021 01:41
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Literally everyone was wearing masks too
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Jakabite posted:Except they didn't do that at all. The protests didn't cause any uptick in COVID, as reported everywhere about 6 months ago. The first article is paywalled, the second explictly ties any effects of the protests to 'the reopening' which is presumably relevant to Texas or whatever. If you have some strong evidence that social distancing doesn't actually stop the spread of pathogens, against the consensus of the world this last year, then gotta be honest post the studies don't post The Economist opinion pieces.
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Jan 2, 2021 01:51
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Vitamin P posted:If you have some strong evidence that social distancing doesn't actually stop the spread of pathogens, against the consensus of the world this last year, then gotta be honest post the studies don't post The Economist opinion pieces. I mean you could read the article on the second link and click the hyperlink called 'paper' instead of using a ridiculous strawman, it's not that much to ask. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27408/w27408.pdf
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Tesseraction posted:BLM protests were largely not covid superspreader events because THEY HAPPENED OUTDOORS. Catching covid outside has, albeit via very limited data, been shown to be way less dangerous if you even are unlucky enough to catch it in the open air. The obvious implication of your idiot point is that everyone who had to say goodbye to a dying loved one over an ipad this year should have just nipped outside for a bit? How cruel of those nurses not to allow that obvious solution. Outdoor raves, shooting events, dogging presumably, THEY HAPPEN OUTDOORS it's fine. Gosh you are so loving wise. Vitamin P fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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Jan 2, 2021 02:06
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Vitamin P posted:The obvious implication of your idiot point is that everyone who had to say goodbye to a dying loved one over an ipad this year should have just nipped outside for a bit? How cruel of those nurses not to allow that obvious solution. Outdoor raves, shooting events, dogging presumably, THEY HAPPEN OUTDOORS it's fine. I'm just going to quote this and wait for you to presumably sober up. Something taking place outdoors doesn't mean you're safe; being infected and walking up to someone and coughing up their nose will obviously infect, regardless of the number of walls. Potentially being infected and wearing a mask (like everyone* in the BLM protests did) means what the combined safety measures made it safe enough to not contribute to America's uncontrolled spread. *excluding the tiny minority who can go gently caress themselves My post wasn't saying that being (black) outdoors was the single factor, but that being outside while following actual health measures helps multiply the ways to not die.
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Vitamin P posted:The obvious implication of your idiot point is that everyone who had to say goodbye to a dying loved one over an ipad this year should have just nipped outside for a bit? How cruel of those nurses not to allow that obvious solution. Outdoor raves, shooting events, dogging presumably, THEY HAPPEN OUTDOORS it's fine. What are you on about, there is a clear difference between known infected and presumed healthy people. And yes, ventilation reduced covid particles. That’s why patients are in negative pressure rooms when available. Maybe calm down?
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Vitamin P posted:The obvious implication of your idiot point is that everyone who had to say goodbye to a dying loved one over an ipad this year should have just nipped outside for a bit? How cruel of those nurses not to allow that obvious solution. Outdoor raves, shooting events, dogging presumably, THEY HAPPEN OUTDOORS it's fine.
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Given I've lost friends and family to this disease I had to revise my last post many times to not just tell you to go gently caress yourself. You're still a piece of poo poo for replying like that rather than asking for me to clarify what I meant.
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Hey we made it a whole 24 hours before the first slap fight.
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Mebh posted:Hey we made it a whole 24 hours before the first slap fight. Vit P is certainly a high impact poster
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Not the UK, but the energy the UK should take forward. https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1345117855293919233?s=19 Hell yeah.
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Vitamin P's a bit all over the place but the BLM protests definitely didn't help in terms of compliance. Your average punter doesn't go "oh well they're outside and mostly masked and you can't always plan your flashpoints in a long overdue social movement", they go "here they're out doing stuff and I've been sat in watching Netflix and our Sharon's eldest got fined for going to that beach barbecue, gently caress this poo poo". And when the media touched on the whole "wait, covid though?" aspect of the protests it did tend to be a bit peremptory and "it's fine, stfu" in tone. Which is a failure of our garbage media, rather than the protestors, but if you're a spluttery reactionary type that's gonna elude you.
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Blueshirt posted:Vitamin P's a bit all over the place but the BLM protests definitely didn't help in terms of compliance. Your average punter doesn't go "oh well they're outside and mostly masked and you can't always plan your flashpoints in a long overdue social movement", they go "here they're out doing stuff and I've been sat in watching Netflix and our Sharon's eldest got fined for going to that beach barbecue, gently caress this poo poo". Presumably there's some sort of evidence to back these claims up beyond your hypothetical anecdotes
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Gonzo McFee posted:Not the UK, but the energy the UK should take forward. This is already a fringe event at the Conservative Party conference
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Vitamin P posted:The first article is paywalled, the second explictly ties any effects of the protests to 'the reopening' which is presumably relevant to Texas or whatever. Why not just say you didn't care enough about black people dying to go on a march, instead of pretending like it was some principled and responsible decision you took to protect the world from Covid.
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Jan 2, 2021 03:31
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racial justice can wait until the pandemic is over in *checks notes* 2025
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Vitamin P posted:there is no reason why the movement couldn't build without moronic mass street protests. Like how exactly, change.org petitions? What's your brilliant strategy for defeating racism that blm were too stupid to realise
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Still reeling from Ronya's political analysis that the Tories put too much faith into their track and trace solution when they gave billions to their mates and then had the bar staff write your details down on a slip of paper. Like I don't doubt they were hoping for the easy solution to pan out but I feel like if they really wanted it to succeed maybe they wouldn't have sabotaged their own efforts quite so efficiently.
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Mr Phillby posted:Still reeling from Ronya's political analysis that the Tories put too much faith into their track and trace solution when they gave billions to their mates and then had the bar staff write your details down on a slip of paper. I dunno, I just think that they think it’s just how it works? “We need a track and trace system, who should run it?” “Oh, my good chum Alan knows some people, they’re real wizzes with this stuff!” “Great, chuck them a few dozen billion, job sorted. The private sector are the real experts after all.” And then their trust in the private sector is so fundamental to everything they believe that even a complete failure doesn’t shake it. “Well, we gave it to the experts, there’s nothing else we could have done!” Basically it’s idiocy combined with incredible laziness combined with a totally unshakable free-market worldview. Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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Mr Phillby posted:Still reeling from Ronya's political analysis that the Tories put too much faith into their track and trace solution when they gave billions to their mates and then had the bar staff write your details down on a slip of paper. I mean, they didn't put any faith in it, because the goal was never to get a working track and trace system - as in the outcome was not something they cared about, at all. All they cared about was funneling public money to the right people. It's not that a complete failure doesn't shake their belief in the private sector, it's that getting an actual workable solution was just never even considered to be part of the goal. They can claim it's their ideology but it's just a complete shield for their kleptocracy. Most of them have no real ideology, and that's part of why they're so dangerous.
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The people at the top never changed their opinion that "taking it on the chin in one go" was the best way to go, and every impression of a measure to control the spread of the virus has been PR-driven - a bit of concealer whenever the national black eye became visible. Every MP caught breaking lockdown rules, every last minute u-turn on dangerous policy, London being in a less-severe tier etc. it's been clear throughout that the plan was and is to ride things out until herd immunity saves the day by doing the bare minimum to stop people shouting at them.
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No ifs, no buts.quote:Covid wards 'full of children' for first time in pandemic, warn nurses gently caress you, Keith.
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serious gaylord posted:Bournemouth/Poole/Christchuch got moved into tier 4 a few days back, but not Dorset county council. Sounds simple, but in practice due to the way the new council lines were drawn up after the mergers we now have a situation in Hamworthy thats utterly absurd. All the shops are on one side of the main road which falls under BCP council. But over the road is the majority of the housing in Hamworthy, which falls under Dorset council. Now they cant go to the shop 100 yards away to buy food as this is entering a tier 4 area and you're not allowed to do that according to our MP. This means they now need to go nearly 10 miles to the next nearest supermarket in the Dorset council area, yet all their kids can mingle in the school thats in tier 4 and they can all go to work in Tier 4's Sunseeker yard down the road. This happened in West Lothian too. There is a Tesco's that borders a Tier 2 and Tier 4 region The Tier 4 could access it but the Tier 2 had to Travel right the way across the other side of the region to access the shops not in a tier 4 zone.
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CyberPingu posted:This happened in West Lothian too. I got my areas mixed up, its Upton not Hamworthy but its still the same thing. Also its just stupid isn't it. All those people that work in those stores will be travelling into tier 4 to do their work, but they cant shop there. Stupid system.
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