World War Mammories posted:

zizek is qualified for many things, far beyond his specialty of being a transmogrified raccoon

LordSaturn posted:

just to be clear, you're talking about Zizek? I've heard people call him a lot of things, but never 'qualified'

World War Mammories posted:

zizek is qualified for many things, far beyond his specialty of being a transmogrified raccoon

LordSaturn posted:

just to be clear, you're talking about Zizek? I've heard people call him a lot of things, but never 'qualified'

LordSaturn posted:

these are good answers, my curiosity was earnest. I faintly remember the result of the debate being "they found they agreed"

Hodgepodge posted:

it was closer to zizek having jorp eating out of his hand by the halfway mark

bedpan posted:

Zizek beat Jorp so profoundly and totally that Jorp began to love Zizek.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Zizek has an unfairly exaggerated reputation as a class reductionist, which might make someone think that he and Jorp agree from different sides about the sjw menace and girls who won't have sex with them, but even if that were the case, Zizek wasn't finding common ground with a worm beneath contempt.

bedpan posted:

Zizek beat Jorp so profoundly and totally that Jorp began to love Zizek.

World War Mammories posted:

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the unkempt beard. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving all-beef diet! Two cider-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was in order, the room was clean. He had won the victory over feminine chaos. He loved Slavoj Zizek.”

staticman posted:

I'm this close to starting a thread about the immortal science of Skoden
https://twitter.com/ArborErich/status/1344878204692160513

VinylonUnderground posted:

I guess my timeline may be off. Harris was defending torture in 2006 so to me anyone that would allow that would be an uncomfortably rightwing space. Then again, I was branded a troll as recently as 2017 on SA (and SA was still more leftwing than a lot of other places on the internet) because I argued that direct action by BLM protestors like blocking freeways was a good thing and that antifa are good and not bad. The gooncensus at the time was that BLM was whiny and overdramatic and that antifa were as bad as fascist and were scary/bad. So I could see other people perceiving it as more politically mixed whereas it would just look unacceptably rightwing to me.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

I supposed the fascist love of domination extends to their dominators.

World War Mammories posted:

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the unkempt beard. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving all-beef diet! Two cider-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was in order, the room was clean. He had won the victory over feminine chaos. He loved Slavoj Zizek.”

Azathoth posted:

*snuffles approvingly*

Heath posted:

The importance of Elevatorgate is that it basically represented a real eruption of attitudes that had been fomenting among the movement for some time, namely:

1) that New Atheism had a serious Boy's Club problem, something hotly contested exclusively by men, and that female members were often harassed online, dismissed in person, and abused at conventions;
2) that up until then one of the major foils against American Christianity had been the fundamental hypocrisy of its major representatives, which butts up against some difficulty when the major atheist proselytizers are also hypocrites - you can't effectively criticize the Catholic Church for covering up abuse when you're refusing to dissociate from serial rapist Michael Shermer and continuing to host him as a guest speaker when his entire M.O. was to find victims at conventions;
3) that many of the New Atheists only objected to Christianity on the basis that they don't like the God part but are completely cool with the rest of it. Dawkins is the prime example here, since in most respects he's as much an Anglican as he ever was, he just doesn't like the part about appealing to Divinity to explain biology;
4) pursuant to (1) that women, women's rights, and especially Muslim women's rights, are only of concern to many New Atheists when they can be used against feminists. Dawkins' "Dear Muslima" letter is a loving legendary piece of posting for that reason, because the tone of it was that the American woman doth protest too much for saying that she's uncomfortable when she's cornered by a man on an enclosed elevator, since she isn't having her genitals mutilated or whatever dumb point he was trying to make. For someone who had up to that point been considered a talented and thoughtful writer he managed to produce something so unbelievably distasteful to basically everybody that it really did create an unfixable crack in the skeptisphere. Imbued as it was with such an immeasurable amount of smarm, cynical concern trolling and callous dismissal of a completely reasonable request on the part of Rebecca Watson, Dawkins managed to do in one post what a legion of internet trolls couldn't if they were trying.

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

The love/hate appeal of Zizek, for me, is he always sounds like he’s eating Grape Nuts and trying to speak. I love/hate Grape Nuts.

brugroffil posted:

Anyone else remember the internet infidels discussion board and the atheist poster diaspora when it broke up over qcs style drama

Platystemon posted:

Kanine posted:

https://twitter.com/broderick/status/657155787526131712

strange feelings re Daisy posted:

This looks like the cover of a Chuck Tingle novel. "Pounded in the Butt by a Box of Grape-Nuts"

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

Dear Muslima,
Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and... yawn... don’t tell me yet again, I know you aren’t allowed to drive a car, and you can’t leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and you’ll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor American sisters have to put up with. Only this week I heard of one, she calls herself Skep”chick”, and do you know what happened to her? A man in a hotel elevator invited her back to his room for coffee. I am not exaggerating. He really did. He invited her back to his room for coffee. Of course she said no, and of course he didn’t lay a finger on her, but even so... And you, Muslima, think you have misogyny to complain about! For goodness sake grow up, or at least grow a thicker skin.

kitten emergency posted:

proud boys had a rally in oregon yesterday seems like? they keep slowly realizing that the cops aren't on their side

https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1345183534856564736?s=20

kitten emergency posted:

proud boys had a rally in oregon yesterday seems like? they keep slowly realizing that the cops aren't on their side

https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1345183534856564736?s=20

Cpt_Obvious posted:

NGL, I'm slowly realizing it too.

I genuinely thought that the cops would just let their fasc supporters do whatever the gently caress they want, but after the pinkerton shooting it's becoming more and more apparent that cops don't give a gently caress about anyone else, even their fans.

Azathoth posted:

The way that I see it, cops are lazy first and foremost. By the time that they're out in riot gear, they're already good and pissed off that someone is making them do poo poo. They can already soak up all the OT their little baconated hearts desire, so having to go out and put on uncomfortable riot gear is a net negative for them, at least beyond the first few times when I'm sure that playing stormtrooper was fun for them.

Now, cops may be dumb, lazy, and aggressive but they're not stupid. They know that the reason that they're out there at all is that fash are rolling in and starting poo poo. It's like having that one friend that always starts poo poo for no reason. They might like them and be cool with them generally, but by the 80th time they're getting into a fight for no loving reason, they're gonna grab their friend and drag them off rather than go along with it.

And as much as I'm sure individual cops would like to let fash just run riot, a combination of cameras being loving everywhere and the inevitable property damage causing every elected official to ask why they didn't stop it, they've come to view these little fash riots as a liability.

Flesh Forge posted:

cops could shoot a dozen of them and the PBs as a whole will find a way to be OK with that, the ones that get shot aren't REAL Proud Boys, like the guy upthread that got his teeth punched out.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

NGL, I'm slowly realizing it too.

I genuinely thought that the cops would just let their fasc supporters do whatever the gently caress they want, but after the pinkerton shooting it's becoming more and more apparent that cops don't give a gently caress about anyone else, even their fans.

kitten emergency posted:

proud boys and the chud brigades have never been the sort of threat that a lot of libs gas them up as. as individualized threats, sure, but if antifa just stopped loving showing up or made sure there were no targets for them, then they'd get taken off the streets by cops or peter out. if a bunch of dumbass white dudes in polo shirts is a threat to democracy, then we should go shut down tailgating at SEC games, because that's where these morons came from and its where they'll go back to.

people are going to be incredibly surprised at how quickly "all of this" goes away without trump

ed: it won't actually go away, but it's going to change into another form, because we're not going to address the structural issues that lead to any of it happening.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

I think the only coherent narrative among right-wingers is the love of punching down, that the strong prey upon the weak. And nobody is "stronger" than the state and it's enforcers. So the cops view themselves (rightfully) as the strong, and the boot paste (that's what I'm calling proud boys from now on) are weak, so it is the cops natural right to poo poo on them. But from the boot paste perspective, they believe themselves to be strong, so they feel betrayed when really that is their proper place in the hierarchy of their own design.


This is always the pivot: The losers are the weak, and therefore they are not us. Because "we" are strong, and everyone who loses must not be a real proudboy.