|
Jose posted:this isn't really the thread for it and i can't be bothered starting a new one but is anyone else surprised at the lack of eco-terrorism? like climate change is going to completely gently caress us and you'd think people might be out their blowing fossil fuel stuff up or killing fossil fuel executives especially in america where getting a gun is easy one of the biggest issues i see with a lot of big environmentalist groups like extinction rebellion is their refusal to embrace leftism as a whole specifically because i think they're afraid of being seen as eco-terrorists
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 05:24 |
|
|
# ? Jun 1, 2024 04:22 |
|
I mean there are people serving life or multi decade sentences in Federal prison right now for vandalism while being leftist so it’s not unfounded.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 06:44 |
|
SpaceSDoorGunner posted:I mean there are people serving life or multi decade sentences in Federal prison right now for vandalism while being leftist so it’s not unfounded. Plus the cops are more then happy to spend days and weeks trying to track down black protestors from twitter pics and video footage to charge them with destruction of property while just shrugging and letting a gaggle of Proud Boys wander off after they kick the poo poo out of a journalist. It's pretty obvious where the time and effort is going to go and who they really want to prosecute.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 06:49 |
|
Kanine posted:one of the biggest issues i see with a lot of big environmentalist groups like extinction rebellion is their refusal to embrace leftism as a whole specifically because i think they're afraid of being seen as eco-terrorists Extinction rebellion is creepy and I don't feel safe around those people. There is something really off about them. I don't think thier aversion to leftism is their fear of being associated with eco terrorism tbh.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 06:52 |
|
The whole Red Handed thing of Extinction Rebellion makes the whole thing scream honeypot for the feds to pick up any sucker mad enough to join them. I cannot take them seriously.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 08:30 |
|
whats the general up-and-up on greenpeace?
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 08:31 |
|
Kanine posted:whats the general up-and-up on greenpeace? Laudable goals but all longterm non-profits eventually evolve into grifts.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 08:35 |
|
Cpt_Obvious posted:The American right doesn't have martyrs. If you die or get injured, you get disowned from the movement. It is their greatest weakness and absolutely hilarious.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 09:11 |
|
Hodgepodge posted:i have heard versions (again grain of salt without a better source here) which allege that people suffering from amok report the delusion that their penis is literally retracting into their body and will keep going and kill them. a little on the nose! but the fact that restorative justice is accepted after these sorts of attacks is sort of inspirational as well. the penile retraction delusion syndrome is called koro and really exists but is not directly connected with the concept of amok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koro_%28medicine%29
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 09:20 |
|
Soy Division posted:the penile retraction delusion syndrome is called koro and really exists but is not directly connected with the concept of amok ah, that could just be me conflating them or something then
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 09:59 |
|
kitten emergency posted:"the cops aren't on the proud boys side because the cops are on the side of the state" isn't really a take i thought would be controversial in c-spam but here we are when it finds itself in a crisis the bourgeois state has always condoned reactionary violence to beat the working class back into line, you numbskull, you absolute buffoon
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 10:11 |
|
Actually, there was a fairly large eco-terrorist attack in Colorado just a few days ago https://abcnews.go.com/US/thousands-colorado-residents-heat-attack-gas-service/story?id=74948009 Now, there is some discussion, at least among the small group of friends where I saw it posted, about whether this was a false flag/fed thing or not. I at least lean towards it being real.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 10:37 |
|
ughhhh posted:Extinction rebellion is creepy and I don't feel safe around those people. There is something really off about them. I don't think thier aversion to leftism is their fear of being associated with eco terrorism tbh. What feels off about them? The fascist scene in my city has a number of deep greens, and they scare me more than the regular fash because they seem more committed to violence and dying and I can’t really figure out how they ended up starting with environmentalism and finishing on the right.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 12:35 |
|
Lol xr try to keep politics out of it and are/were pro cop and landlord Not to mention they supported the fascist coup in bolivia
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 12:40 |
|
mcclay posted:Actually, there was a fairly large eco-terrorist attack in Colorado just a few days ago fwiw based on that report it seems plausible, loving with the gas lines but not actually destroying the infrastructure seems like a threat or a warning, rather than an actual terrorist act and why would a false flag attack show such restraint can you throw a couple extra bbq sauces in the bag while your manager's not looking
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 12:50 |
|
why would an environmental group even have an opinion on regime change in Boliva
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 12:59 |
|
CharlestheHammer posted:why would an environmental group even have an opinion on regime change in Boliva because they're an op, hth
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 13:00 |
|
Antifa Turkeesian posted:The fascist scene in my city has a number of deep greens, and they scare me more than the regular fash because they seem more committed to violence and dying and I can’t really figure out how they ended up starting with environmentalism and finishing on the right.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 13:55 |
|
the ultra-environmentalist stuff where there's nothing but lush forests and human bones is an escape. it's like the unabomber manifesto. i've tried to read it on more than one occasion and i just get annoyed at it because it's such a reactionary tract whining about other people... and then technology and organized human civilization is to blame. funnily enough i've seen this hawked at anarchist bookfairs next to other deep green pamphlets.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 13:58 |
|
Misanthropy syncs pretty well with fascism and authoritarianism. I think the unabomber got sandwiched with the left because it was what the police wanted and much of the anarchist movement in the US during the 90’s wasn’t more than kids without any idea what they were doing just going through books that seemed subversive. Kinda like how Nazi imagery appeared in the British punk scene decades ago (in my understanding) sometimes for shock value rather than ideology. Crimethinc which is relatively coherent around sorta Kropotkinist ideas today back when I stumbled upon it when I was a kid used to have a bunch of odd anprim and egoist literature too.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 14:07 |
|
Modern anarcho-primitivism was (as a somewhat ideologically coherent thing) accidentally started by a communist from USA who finished studies of economy in communist Yugoslavia and later became an anarchist. He made the mistake of using the word "civilization" when talking in something he published about a number of unpleasant structural similarities between how he witnessed industries operating in USA, Yugoslavia, and USSR, and spent most of the rest of his career going "goddamnit guys, no, that's not what I meant" at his tribal-fantasy fans. I tend to give him more credit than most because of his excellent writing about the 1968 communist student/worker protests against the further liberalization of the economy and the crushing of the movement by the communist party (which actively accused them of being liberals, while giving the actual liberals everything they wanted economically). The dude also made a very solid class-based economic analysis of the situation on Kosovo during his days in Yugoslavia, and correctly predicted what the situation was moving towards, what it was encouraging, and who were the most likely groups to benefit from it. He did go loopy in his later years, tho, and I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually got recruited by some intelligence agency. I am not surprised the ideology took a reactionary turn. Somewhat related, due to them having interactions with him, the best Anarchists (as in, did the most actually useful things) in Yugoslavia around WW2 and early Cold War seem to be from Montenegro. I guess not having illusions about how tribes operate goes a long way towards not having your head stuck up your rear end in a top hat. They even had some success entering French anarchists groups and actually getting them to do things.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 14:12 |
|
Seems that Wheeler is trying to sound tough for the cops again. Fun Fact: The Examiner got this video from Andy Ngo. https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1345355232600088576?s=20
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 16:13 |
|
Zeroisanumber posted:Seems that Wheeler is trying to sound tough for the cops again. love to hear democrats crying about "radical anti-fascists" lol. mask off once again
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 16:21 |
|
CharlestheHammer posted:why would an environmental group even have an opinion on regime change in Boliva lithium for electric car batteries. xr is so stupid that i too would rather believe it's an op
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 16:23 |
|
The extremely cool crime of ecoterrorism isn't real and is just a spooky buzzword business tyrants use to make having their lovely car dealership vandalized look more serious while covering up insurance fraud. call me back when someone blows up a refinery and laughs about the workers going up with it lmao
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 16:28 |
|
For the most part, XR is an op. However, sometimes the people in charge forget that they merely duped some people into going along, rather than having them as active participants, and hilarious things happen. Like when the entirety of Britain's electronic warfare capabilities got deployed in an attempt to stop a "flying" drone that was carried on a long stick by a running geezer who didn't get the "we called off the plan" note.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 16:30 |
|
Antifa Turkeesian posted:What feels off about them? The fascist scene in my city has a number of deep greens, and they scare me more than the regular fash because they seem more committed to violence and dying and I can’t really figure out how they ended up starting with environmentalism and finishing on the right. There are common roots in romanticism, which is a wellspring drawn on by various ideologies in a huge number of different ways.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 22:54 |
|
Kanine posted:whats the general up-and-up on greenpeace? The French army tried to sink them so they must be good.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 23:14 |
|
This thread is 4 years old and 3000 pages long, and just about everyone in the OP was largely deplatformed years ago. Someone make a new OP, time for a reboot.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2021 23:50 |
|
I like looking at the OP as a snapshot of the way things were in the aftermath of the 2016 election. These guys felt a lot more threatening at the time.
|
# ? Jan 4, 2021 00:01 |
|
who was ralph again?
|
# ? Jan 4, 2021 00:02 |
|
Heath posted:I like looking at the OP as a snapshot of the way things were in the aftermath of the 2016 election. These guys felt a lot more threatening at the time. that's why it's good to make a new OP, so you can look wistfully back at the aftermath of the 2020 election 4 years from now
|
# ? Jan 4, 2021 00:04 |
|
Filthy Hans posted:fwiw based on that report it seems plausible, loving with the gas lines but not actually destroying the infrastructure seems like a threat or a warning, rather than an actual terrorist act and why would a false flag attack show such restraint Yeah I agree. Just interesting that we're getting some for realises eco-terrorism now a days. I suppose that as environmental collapse trundles closer and the contradictions of capitalism are heightened by the pandemic and trumpsdop people are gonna be taking more and more extreme actions to stop that poo poo. I'm all for it, though I kinda think loving with the gas lines for heating in winter is a bit of a dick move to the old and sickly. But w/e, we're all dead from environmental collapse anyways. And yeah homie, we got some extra nuggets too so I'll toss them in as well.
|
# ? Jan 4, 2021 00:05 |
|
anarcho-primitivists are assholes that are smelly.
|
# ? Jan 4, 2021 00:11 |
|
|
# ? Jun 1, 2024 04:22 |
|
I'm so sorry...
|
# ? Jan 4, 2021 00:39 |