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Jan 2, 2021 19:20
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Grapplejack posted:Overwatchs lore is incredibly loving stupid. You forgot about how after the AI uprising they just gave Australia to robots, without telling any of the australians Also it does the same weird thing Guild Wars did where they tied the title into the lore, but not in a way that's relevant to the game at all. Most of the characters aren't really fighting for or against Overwatch, they're just one of the groups that's in the game. It'd be like if Valve renamed Counter-Strike to "Phoenix Connexion" or "Jungle Marxists" (That second group wisely never made it past the Concept Art stage) Grunch Worldflower fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jan 2, 2021 |
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Jan 2, 2021 19:22
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Groovelord Neato posted:Why didn't they just use costumes? I'm assuming this is tied to the "why didn't they use mocap suits?" - they thought they had a technology that let them do all the mocap they needed without full mocap suits, but it probably didn't let them use costumes either. You can see this with Dench and Hudson with semi-actual costumes (or at least coats over their bodies) getting close-up static shots; what lovely mocap they did have probably didn't work when they had actual costumes on so they anchored the camera for those shots. Spoiler - the technology didn't work so well.
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Jan 2, 2021 19:29
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Grunch Worldflower posted:Also it does the same weird thing Guild Wars did where they tied the title into the lore, but not in a way that's relevant to the game at all. Most of the characters aren't really fighting for or against Overwatch, they're just one of the groups that's in the game. Hey man those bananas aren't going to redistribute themselves.
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Jan 2, 2021 19:56
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stillvisions posted:I think a lot of the reviews and deconstructions take a very literal view of the Heavyside layer part of the musical; I remember seeing it on stage back in the original smash hit phase and it was much more played as "you get to go to heaven/be reborn and be young and happy again", and all of the literalness was painted over with something that was a little more universal; If you've ever had a pet grow old and die it's a solid punch to the feels. I'm not sure if the taped versions of the musicals went far more literal as time went on or critics have been playing that part up for laugh points. My parents saw the OG London production and it was all glowing staircase to the sky, a quick change to a beautiful young coat, etc. The movie went full literal with a hot air balloon and it almost got played for a laugh during the end; the camera cut over to the balloon in the middle of Judi Dench's bit, still floating off, and the audience lost it. Cats in general makes a lot more sense if you look at it as a sort of metaphorical purgatory, and the Jellicles as souls petitioning to enter Heav(yside)en.
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Jan 2, 2021 20:08
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Groovelord Neato posted:Why didn't they just use costumes? Because they got the director of the academy award winning yet equally poo poo Les Mis movie who was to be incredibly realistic while also still doing adaptations of incredibly campy musicals belting out solos made to reach cheap seats.
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Jan 2, 2021 20:22
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This is the only Cats media anyone needs, wherein a man stares at himself as a cat with erotic fascination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRfbPGXcMLM
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Jan 2, 2021 20:50
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Cats in general makes a lot more sense if you look at it as a sort of metaphorical purgatory, and the Jellicles as souls petitioning to enter Heav(yside)en.
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Jan 2, 2021 21:43
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Archer666 posted:Another interesting channel I found is this guy talking to people in VRChat about their life experiences. War vets, drug dealers that start dealing young, people living with rare diseases and the like. Its obviously pretty heavy stuff, but also fascinating if you're into that kind of thing. This channel's really good. I'd caution watching the mortician video, though. He talks about having to, uh, pick up the pieces of people destroyed by train accidents and it can get kinda graphic.
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Jan 2, 2021 22:13
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The Best Syrmor video is the drunk Finnish guy having an existential crisis. It always makes me strangely happy about the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VahuChwc_O8
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Jan 2, 2021 23:51
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To answer the question of 'what the gently caress happened with Cats' CGI fur you must understand 2 facts: 1) the director decided that using mo-cap suits would have interfered with the actors performances so essentially every frame of the movie has the fur rotoscoped in manually. 2) the first trailer got such a bad reaction that the studio slashed the post production budget and all that digital fur paining had to be finished on the cheap. Thats why there are scenes where they missed characters hands and why they were still updating the theatrical release with marginally less terifying cockroach/human face blending days after the premiere. Theres no explaining a lot of the other choices made however. Like someone looked at the script and went 'yes it makes perfect sense that if cats are played by adult actors then the mice must all be played by child actors, thats not completely hosed up at all' or 'yes lets just use his skin tone for his fur none will mind Idris Elba playing a nude plush version of himself with cat ears'.
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Jan 3, 2021 00:40
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Mr Phillby posted:2) the first trailer got such a bad reaction that the studio slashed the post production budget and all that digital fur paining had to be finished on the cheap. Thats why there are scenes where they missed characters hands and why they were still updating the theatrical release with marginally less terifying cockroach/human face blending days after the premiere. I'm still kinda gobsmacked that happened. That's, like, unprecedented right? Making significant edits to a film right after its been released and still in theaters?
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Jan 3, 2021 02:02
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I'll never not love that the reaction to 'we underpaid and overworked our tech people and yea no poo poo it was a bad product because of it' was the dude who played the fat cat making fun of them at an award show is if they're why the movie was a mess.
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Jan 3, 2021 02:15
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:I'm still kinda gobsmacked that happened. That's, like, unprecedented right? Making significant edits to a film right after its been released and still in theaters? You'd think so but I'm immediately reminded of a video posted by Bennett the Sage a few weeks back where he talks about the film Gundress. That theatrical run looks loving nuts, like "we released the animatics as a finished product to theaters" nuts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eqS3U6VEDY&t=1184s
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Jan 3, 2021 02:23
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Mr Phillby posted:1) the director decided that using mo-cap suits would have interfered with the actors performances so essentially every frame of the movie has the fur rotoscoped in manually. This one is pure madness. At that point, you're basically hand animating from reference which is ludicrously work-intensive. When you add in cuts to post-production it's incredible that the visual effects team managed to achieve anything approaching a finished product. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Jan 3, 2021 |
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Jan 3, 2021 02:57
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The right move was costumes but absolutely insane not to use mo-cap suits if you want to go CGI.
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Jan 3, 2021 03:07
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starting to think this Tom Hooper guy doesn't know what he's doing!
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Jan 3, 2021 03:20
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Alaois posted:starting to think this Tom Hooper guy doesn't know what he's doing! he makes oscar winners, though! the oscars are never wrong!
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Jan 3, 2021 03:26
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Skippy McPants posted:This one is pure madness. At that point, you're basically hand animating from reference which is judiciously work-intensive. When you add in cuts to post-production it's incredible that the visual effects team managed to achieve anything approaching a finished product.
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Jan 3, 2021 03:40
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Skippy McPants posted:This one is pure madness. At that point, you're basically hand animating from reference which is judiciously work-intensive. When you add in cuts to post-production it's incredible that the visual effects team managed to achieve anything approaching a finished product. Tom Hooper is a director who is actually bad at directing in the bumbling, ignorant, falling-backwards-into-success way that people accuse Michael Bay or George Lucas of being, in the sense that he has absolutely no respect or understanding of the craft or logistical hurdles involved in managing the kind of insane thousand-person endeavor that making a big budget film is.
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Jan 3, 2021 05:22
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Tom Hooper is a director who is actually bad at directing in the bumbling, ignorant, falling-backwards-into-success way that people accuse Michael Bay or George Lucas of being, in the sense that he has absolutely no respect or understanding of the craft or logistical hurdles involved in managing the kind of insane thousand-person endeavor that making a big budget film is.
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Jan 3, 2021 06:27
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There are a shitload of people who will roll out to defend Zack Snyder. Even George Lucas and M. Night still have their defenders. But I don't think I have ever seen anyone with anything nice to say about Tom Hooper. Not once have I ever seen anyone describe his work as anything but boring, soulless or, in the case of Cats, just utterly baffling.
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Jan 3, 2021 08:53
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Probably because all of those other guys you've listed have managed to make at least one good movie.
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Jan 3, 2021 09:07
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in fairness to tom hooper, the king's speech was pretty good. it's just that basically everything else he's directed is either outright terrible or good more because the leads were great in spite of the direction, which raises questions like "was the king speech good because of tom hooper, or in spite of tom hooper?
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Jan 3, 2021 09:16
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TheFlyingLlama posted:in fairness to tom hooper, the king's speech was pretty good. I mean, 90% of that movie is just Colin Firth and Geoffrey Rush talking to each other. Their table read could probably sweep the Academy Awards.
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Jan 3, 2021 09:39
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it is really depressing when the nicest thing you can say about a director is "the movie that was basically just two amazing actors talking the entire time was pretty competent!"
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Jan 3, 2021 09:41
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Srice posted:https://youtu.be/xb-DtICmPTY Ok, he's talking about gaming magazines in the 90's making fun of Japanese games like Dating Sims.  I totally get now why dating sims were treated as porn now in the US. Edit: Ok, This guy is already on my muct watch list because of this conversation about how games like MK became socially acceptable and dating sims became something to make fun of is amazing. BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Jan 3, 2021 |
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Jan 3, 2021 13:40
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Skippy McPants posted:I mean, 90% of that movie is just Colin Firth and Geoffrey Rush talking to each other. Their table read could probably sweep the Academy Awards. yea pretty much, it's very telling that Hooper's best movie is 'two famously extremely charismatic and excellent actors just do what amounts to a black box play together with a huge budget for set dressings'. Like, I guess good for him not actively ruining it but yea if they just showed up to film in their pajamas and read off the script to each other it'd still probably be a real good movie.
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Jan 3, 2021 15:04
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For a while I thought Tom Hooper and Tobe Hooper were the same person and I was really confused as to how the director of Texas Chainsaw Massacre could fall so far in his old age.
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Jan 3, 2021 15:34
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Srice posted:https://youtu.be/xb-DtICmPTY Well there was no way I was going to spend six hours watching the whole thing, but I skipped around trying to see if I could figure out the overall tone of it, and the main impression I got was about how offputting this guy’s delivery was. I’m not even sure I can properly describe it. It’s like a comedian doing an impression of someone who’s just drank twelve cups of coffee in a row. He’s speaking weirdly fast and sometimes putting on a stammering, jittery affect, but it’s just so obviously fake that I can’t even tell if I’m supposed to take it seriously.
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Jan 3, 2021 16:19
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Bakeneko posted:Well there was no way I was going to spend six hours watching the whole thing, but I skipped around trying to see if I could figure out the overall tone of it, and the main impression I got was about how offputting this guy’s delivery was. You know you don't have to watch it one sitting right E: you know hes being serious right.
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Jan 3, 2021 16:25
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Srice posted:https://youtu.be/xb-DtICmPTY I can't believe I watched (almost) that whole thing. It was good, but goddamn is there a lot of it. He tends to repeat himself a lot though, doesn't he?
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Jan 3, 2021 16:30
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The King’s Speech sucks!!!!!!!! I hate it
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Jan 3, 2021 16:33
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The REAL Goobusters posted:E: you know hes being serious right. Well I'm sure he's expressing his real opinons, but what I can't tell is whether he intended for his delivery to be straightforward, or if he was putting on a deliberately over-the-top performance, kinda like when Sage does an entire episode of Anime Abandon as his "Suave" character.
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Jan 3, 2021 16:39
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Bakeneko posted:Well I'm sure he's expressing his real opinons, but what I can't tell is whether he intended for his delivery to be straightforward, or if he was putting on a deliberately over-the-top performance, kinda like when Sage does an entire episode of Anime Abandon as his "Suave" character. He's commented on it before but people tend to think he's being sarcastic and over the top when that's just the way he talks and acts. Tim Rogers is a strange dude and he's the first person to let you know it. His on camera persona is just a slightly more animated version of himself. I watched a presentation he gave at a college about game design and he acted nearly the same in front of hundreds of people as he does on YouTube, so take that for what it's worth.
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Jan 3, 2021 17:11
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Bakeneko posted:Well there was no way I was going to spend six hours watching the whole thing, but I skipped around trying to see if I could figure out the overall tone of it, and the main impression I got was about how offputting this guy’s delivery was. Yeah, he had a video on Doom that got linked and hyped in the thread a little while ago and I found it intensely off-putting and clicked away within a few minutes. Started watching this one and I was like, "This guy looks familiar... aww hell naw!" within about ten seconds of him speaking.
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Jan 3, 2021 17:18
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Imagine thinking Tim Rogers, aka mr 108, was trolling or doing "a bit" wouldnt be me
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Jan 3, 2021 17:30
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I feel like Tim Rogers makes interesting stuff but wraps it up in a slightly unapproachable way. I guess if it were me making the videos I'd prefer to do something like make a playlist about Tokimeki Memorial and then take the chapters of the video and split them up into separate ones. Tim Rogers has a series on Kotaku where he compares the translations between English and original FF7 which is split up into videos, it makes it easier to just casually watch a bit of it. Of course idk anyone else who's doing a similar kind of analysis of Tokimeki Memorial so it is what it is e: also giving the videos more detailed names than ACTION BUTTON REVIEWS [blank] might help Casey Finnigan fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jan 3, 2021 |
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Jan 3, 2021 17:32
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Tom Hooper is a director who is actually bad at directing in the bumbling, ignorant, falling-backwards-into-success way that people accuse Michael Bay or George Lucas of being, in the sense that he has absolutely no respect or understanding of the craft or logistical hurdles involved in managing the kind of insane thousand-person endeavor that making a big budget film is. Yep. I know for a fact that a lot of HIS DARK MATERIALS had to be reshot after his work on it. I was told straight up that he doesn't know what he's doing and that he barely seemed bothered.
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Jan 3, 2021 17:40
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The part in Sideways video where Hooper is telling the freaking orchestra and the conductor how to do their jobs is honestly pretty infuriating. Seriously, you think you know the music better than a professional orchestra? Then I remembered that directors pull this poo poo all the loving time and either hobble their composers by demanding they just use legally distinct variations of temp music or they come up with baffling ideas like JJ Abrams telling John Williams that he should make a "redeemed Kylo Ren" motif that is just the regular Kylo Ren theme in a major key.
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Jan 3, 2021 18:50
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