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Olympic Mathlete posted:That Copen concept is perfect. The first one is VERY silly e: and obv the last one is great bc it is very clearly and appropriately named after william howard taft Applebees Appetizer posted:A 1986 750 gixxer was my last cool motorcycle IDK are you implying that there are motorcycles that are NOT cool?
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captainOrbital posted:IDK are you implying that there are motorcycles that are NOT cool? Should have said my coolest motorcycle. My actual last motorcycle was a CB-1 and that was pretty cool too 
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That speedster van is amazing and more variations on the concept need to exist.
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I saw the new Ford Bronco on the street today somehow. It's quite a nice looking vehicle in person.
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The Oldest Man posted:I saw the new Ford Bronco on the street today somehow. It's quite a nice looking vehicle in person. Weird, I saw one yesterday morning. Not sure what model, but it looked great.
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The dealer by me has two bronco sports. They kinda look like the old freelander. Haven't seen a proper bronco yet.
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I was able to sit in a Bronco Sport recently. It was much larger inside than I expected. I would almost consider one if i wasn't already in line for a full Bronco. I also was able to see (but not sit in) a full Bronco. It had the Sasquatch package which made it huge. It's bigger than a stock Wrangler and you can tell just by looking at it.
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I already have a 4x4 truck I never really take off-road and a Subaru is off-road capable enough to get to any hiking or hunting area anyone would go to, yet god drat I kinda really want a Bronco It's a useless and expensive dumb toy and Ford has absolutely nailed the styling to make it a super desirable object They're gonna sell fuckin gangbusters
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Good, I'll wait 5 years, pick one up used and mod the gently caress out of it.
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BloodBag posted:The dealer by me has two bronco sports. They kinda look like the old freelander. Haven't seen a proper bronco yet.
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C&D has an article saying Broncos aren't going on sale until the summer yet theyre on the street and in dealerships already? Edit nvm, guess these are demos
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I'm not sure I buy a car manufactured during covid. Managers working from home. Assembly line worker's with low morale. Inefficiencies from covid safety plans. Everyone on the floor can't see poo poo, glasses fogging up from their masks. Supply chain squeezed from every side even more than usual. and so on
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smooth jazz posted:C&D has an article saying Broncos aren't going on sale until the summer yet theyre on the street and in dealerships already? I drove by a dealer with a bronco sport outside of it today. I guess the real Broncos will show up later this year?
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Bronco Sport is available now. Regular Bronco goes on sale in the summer but there are pre-prod models driving around* now for testing. *Mostly in Detroit
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiatchrysler-m-a-psa-approval-idUKKBN2990YD Peugeot shareholders approve PSA-FCA merger; just waiting on Fiat's to do the same. That's a lot of brand overlap they've got going on there, though. Also Vauxhall/Opel ending up in the same group as Chrysler is mildly amusing.
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Their goal, at least when PSA bought GME, was to do brand regionalization on the same platforms. Germans may not want to buy Peugeots or Citroens, but if you slap an Opel badge on the same car it will likely sell in Germany. Fiat's the only real new brand overlap they're inheriting, and Fiat is well on its way to being Italian-market only. I think it vaguely makes sense. They've been pretty successful so far, and I really only see upside for PSA on this one due to US exposure (other than the fact that you are inheriting a bunch of legacy Fiat / Chrsyler / FCA mess).
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Ah, one step closer to never actually being able to buy a new Citroen in America.
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I was astounded to learn yesterday that the Grand Cherokee is 10 model years old and in its 11th year of production.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Ah, one step closer to never actually being able to buy a new Citroen in America. Shame that the current line-up (apart from the minivans which are cool looking) is abysmal. That includes the DS brand which have a whopping 2 models in their line-up...
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Their goal, at least when PSA bought GME, was to do brand regionalization on the same platforms. Germans may not want to buy Peugeots or Citroens, but if you slap an Opel badge on the same car it will likely sell in Germany. Fiat's the only real new brand overlap they're inheriting, and Fiat is well on its way to being Italian-market only. I think it vaguely makes sense. They've been pretty successful so far, and I really only see upside for PSA on this one due to US exposure (other than the fact that you are inheriting a bunch of legacy Fiat / Chrsyler / FCA mess). Beside the US brands, FCA has quite a bit of historical names to create virtual segmentation be it innocenti, autobianchi, lancia, alfa romeo and abarth. PSA has no luxury or high end brands while FCA has in spades(even if they were discontinued or scaled down).
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SlowBloke posted:Beside the US brands, FCA has quite a bit of historical names to create virtual segmentation be it innocenti, autobianchi, lancia, alfa romeo and abarth. PSA has no luxury or high end brands while FCA has in spades(even if they were discontinued or scaled down). also a good point, especially since PSA took the decision to move Citroen downmarket, although they are trying with the DS spinoff
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I'm not holding my breath that the North American market will see any of the European brands sold here. They'll borrow existing domestic brands like Dodge or Chrysler. If they don't do that they might revive Plymouth. The market is already way too saturated with entrenched competition the euro brands can't touch. Why would ANYONE want a mainstream French brand like Citreon when you got VW for semi-premium near luxury European cars and Toyota, Honda, Kia and Hyundai for the rest all of which have more predictable reliability and maintenance. KIA is already making waves in Europe and pulling marketshare from the more mainstream euro brands like Opel, Citreon, Renault etc. At the end of the day the vast majority of buyers want cheap, reliable point A to point B transportation. The recent SUV craze notwithstanding that formula hasn't changed. Speaking of Hondas, why does Car and Driver continuously keep flogging the Honda Accord as the ultimate midsize sedan? I don't see it at all. The Camry or Kia K5 seem like the better buy.
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Kraftwerk posted:
Probably due to being offered with a manual and having the biggest trunk. But really, it's just a matter of what you can get the best deal on in your area between all those.
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Goober Peas posted:I was astounded to learn yesterday that the Grand Cherokee is 10 model years old and in its 11th year of production. This should surprise nobody at this point. Chrysler's MO is trot out ancient platforms and throw stupidly big engines and hope nobody notices that their cars are heavier, less efficient and drive as badly as a 20 year old car. It's at the very least moved them up the reliability rankings because after almost 2 decades, even Chrysler can shake out the issues. Edit: Except trucks, that poo poo gets updated
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The actual development for the GC/W166 Mercedes ML started in like 2006 since it was a DaimlerChrysler project, it was supposed to be released in like 08 or 09 but didn't come out until 2011 because of you know.
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kronix posted:This should surprise nobody at this point. Chrysler's MO is trot out ancient platforms and throw stupidly big engines and hope nobody notices that their cars are heavier, less efficient and drive as badly as a 20 year old car. It's at the very least moved them up the reliability rankings because after almost 2 decades, even Chrysler can shake out the issues. Haha, hellcat motor go brrrrrrrrrr
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Kraftwerk posted:Speaking of Hondas, why does Car and Driver continuously keep flogging the Honda Accord as the ultimate midsize sedan? I don't see it at all. The Camry or Kia K5 seem like the better buy. Hondas have a certain specific feel about them that has to do with the way the steering, throttle response, auto transmission shift timing, and brake pedal feel is tuned. I wouldn't be able to put it into words but it is undeniably "Honda" and it is why segment-for-segment I will always prefer Honda's offerings over other asian imports. It's not even nostalgia, I didn't own a Honda until a few years ago, then bought a Ford afterwords, but having worked as a Valet driver I got a good feel for how each manufacturer drives across their lineup and always preferred Honda in the mass market import segment.
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 Is there a factory chrome delete option yet for that hideous front clip? I wish they would redesign it yesterday. And that's a 2021. Still better than most BMWs.
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Gangringo posted:Hondas have a certain specific feel about them that has to do with the way the steering, throttle response, auto transmission shift timing, and brake pedal feel is tuned. I wouldn't be able to put it into words but it is undeniably "Honda" and it is why segment-for-segment I will always prefer Honda's offerings over other asian imports. It's not even nostalgia, I didn't own a Honda until a few years ago, then bought a Ford afterwords, but having worked as a Valet driver I got a good feel for how each manufacturer drives across their lineup and always preferred Honda in the mass market import segment. I've never owned a Honda but a buddy of mine had a pedestrian little 5sp 2001 Civic coupe years ago and I loved driving it. Same with another buddy's sister - she had a 94 Prelude 5sp and it was so loving fun to drive. Closest I've come in a Toyota was my AW11. But even regular Hondas seem to just be way more fun to drive.
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Inner Light posted:
I would assume it's relatively easy to pull that trim piece off and either paint it or wrap it But you know how assumptions go
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Inner Light posted:
You can get it in "black chrome" depending on color/options package which makes it stand out less but no delete AFAIK
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The Toyota Mirai article on Autoblog whatever but it's a hydrogen car and this is the perfect lead photo. Sorry sarah connor
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I don't know if Ford is having issues moving cars right now or not, but I just got a 2K private cash offer from them, and I hadn't received one in a couple years from them. Too bad I'm not interested in the new Explorer at all. So glad we had a 2020 rental for a week.
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Inner Light posted:
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Inner Light posted:
It would be easy enough to have black vinyl applied to it. Or just have the drat thing painted, either way not a big deal. LeeMajors posted:But even regular Hondas seem to just be way more fun to drive. When I was test driving new cars the 5 speed Civic was WAY more fun than the 5 speed Corolla. The Corolla had no torque whatsoever and the steering felt numb. The base K series in the Civic was much better and the steering and overall handling just felt better with more of a sporty feel, the Corolla is just an appliance no matter what trim you get. And this was the base Civic compared to the Corolla XS which is the highest trim I think, and the base Civic blew it away and was like 5 grand cheaper.
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LeeMajors posted:I've never owned a Honda but a buddy of mine had a pedestrian little 5sp 2001 Civic coupe years ago and I loved driving it. Same with another buddy's sister - she had a 94 Prelude 5sp and it was so loving fun to drive. Got my first Honda a few days ago, a 2004 FIt/Jazz. The steering and shifting is pretty nice (but not as nice as in the Miata), but unfortunately the engine is the anemic 1.3 and rev hang is quite annoying. Still, not bad for a tiny econobox and probably way better than others in that segment at the time.
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Kraftwerk posted:Speaking of Hondas, why does Car and Driver continuously keep flogging the Honda Accord as the ultimate midsize sedan? I don't see it at all. The Camry or Kia K5 seem like the better buy. I’ve owned a Rav 4 and loaded Toyota Camry and my father 2 Honda Accords and let me tell you by far and away the Accord is the better car. Even to the point after all the premium cars I’ve driven, like Germans, Jags, and Range Rover I will say it is the best car and the one I’d take. The Toyotas were at the bottom, poor power, terrible to drive, and their reputation is not good for the quality problems I had with them. The Accords on the other hand has 0 problems with regular maintenance and one went 180,000 miles, had good features, good cabin, good mile range, etc. It’s not close. I feel insulted Toyota has a reputation compared and Honda is far and above them after experiencing both.
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In the US at least Honda just seems so much more focused on making good cars and CUV's which are basically lifted cars. No v8's, no body on frame, no full size suv's or trucks (lol ridgeline). They have a 30+ year history of making some of the best 4 cylinder engines in the world and the Accord has generally been a car they've given a poo poo about. Toyota has had its powertrain moments but they're less consistent and I still haven't forgiven them for so blatantly cost cutting and coasting on their brand with the Camry in the 2010's. I have owned two Accords in the last 10 years and an H22A Prelude way back. All great cars with some personality and very well built. We have a Pilot right now, it is the least Hondalike Honda I've had but even it has a very noticeable VTEC cutover at something stupid like 5500rpm and the J series V6 is a really sweet engine in general. The AWD system is superior to anything else in its class as well.
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Gatts posted:I’ve owned a Rav 4 and loaded Toyota Camry and my father 2 Honda Accords and let me tell you by far and away the Accord is the better car. Even to the point after all the premium cars I’ve driven, like Germans, Jags, and Range Rover I will say it is the best car and the one I’d take. The Toyotas were at the bottom, poor power, terrible to drive, and their reputation is not good for the quality problems I had with them. The Accords on the other hand has 0 problems with regular maintenance and one went 180,000 miles, had good features, good cabin, good mile range, etc. The Toyota reputation was built on literally loving bombproof cars in the 90s. The Camry is a heartbreaker though. My folks had an early 90s Camry wagon that ran for like 500k and literally all the electronics still worked. Even the American-made ones in the late 90s were excellent. I had a rental earlier this year and I kinda hated it? It was cheap, slow, entirely made of plastic and had like 12k on it but was a rattle-trap. The trucks and 4Runners and Priuses are still bombproof, but that one hit home. A Camry should be a no-nonsense car that runs forever. Period. That still seems to be true of the Corolla at least. If I wasn't such a Toyota truck homer with a really good local garage I probably would've given Honda a try by now--although lots of friends with Hondas have had AT and AC problems. I've been really happy with my 4Runners and my current Tacoma. Good cars overall but man, 80s/90s Toyota was another animal. One day I'll give in to KakerMix's influence and just import a diesel Prado 4door and drive it until I die.
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Kraftwerk posted:Speaking of Hondas, why does Car and Driver continuously keep flogging the Honda Accord as the ultimate midsize sedan? I don't see it at all. The Camry or Kia K5 seem like the better buy. If the fat 8th-gen Accord couldn't kick the Accord off the C&D 10Best list, nothing will. kronix posted:This should surprise nobody at this point. Chrysler's MO is trot out ancient platforms and throw stupidly big engines and hope nobody notices that their cars are heavier, less efficient and drive as badly as a 20 year old car. It's at the very least moved them up the reliability rankings because after almost 2 decades, even Chrysler can shake out the issues. The Alpha-platform Camaro is the critically acclaimed, more athletic, and modern car you're talking about. Its sales are in the gutter. The Charger and Challenger look good, go fast, and FCA have done enough to keep them relevant with the right updates. Those cars being stuck in time can be a good thing too: the Charger is the last sedan with a V8 you can buy for under $70,000. I wouldn't buy one, but I am glad that they exist.
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