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Gaz-L posted:It's only January 4th and Trump's latest attempt to pervert democracy only takes up so much of the news-cycle. Oh no is he still failing at what was accomplished in '00?
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Mr Hootington posted:Oh no is he still failing at what was accomplished in '00? Yes but in a new and exciting way. e: Hey it's actually appropriate to this discussion because he's bringing an old scandal out of retirement to become the main scandal.
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Movies should be self-indulgent. World is a gently caress. Indulge yourself, salaryman. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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Jan 5, 2021 00:30
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Arist posted:Birdman is self-indulgent 
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Jan 5, 2021 00:32
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Maybe I misspoke. It'd be fine if it was self-indulgent if there was any truth anywhere in it instead of Iñárritu jerking himself off about how beneath him popular movies are and how the critics are parasites, maaaaaaaaan. Iñárritu casting Michael Keaton in his movie, basically putting a shitload of resentment in his mouth over the role of Batman when Keaton clearly does not actually feel that way at all, really rubs me wrong. Also the single take gimmick sucks. e: legit baffled that people are saying Birdman is somehow a "fun" movie even outside of my distaste for it.
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Jan 5, 2021 00:51
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Arist posted:Birdman is self-indulgent, which is not the same thing as fun.
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Jan 5, 2021 00:56
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Vince MechMahon posted:From the Batman on film story about this, it sounds like Flashpoint is his gonna gently caress with the universe and replace the Affleck Batman with the Keaton version via multiverse poo poo. My theory, since the rumor began of Keaton being in the movie, has been the movie will do the same bookends as Flashpoint, but the first Batman will just be Affleck and the last scene after Barry changes/fixes everything will be Keaton, down to Barry and Bruce not sure if anything changed at all. They might just make Affleck pull double duty for the Thomas Wayne role and have a big final sacrificial scene for an onscreen farewell. Anyway, intensely funny how every site called like Superheroz Newz has been continuing to bait snyder fans with fake rumors of Affleck signing secret 7 movie deals and whatnot when this has, by all accounts, not-so-secretly been the plan at WB for a long time.
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Batman: Into the Bat-Verse Starring Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Christian Bale, Will Arnett, Ben Affleck, Robert Pattinson, and the CGI zombie of Adam West. Cameo appearances by Kevin Conroy and Will Friedle.
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Jan 5, 2021 01:01
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Arist posted:if there was any truth anywhere in it No one in Hollywood has ever struggled to establish themselves in theatre/TV/etc? No one's ever had the gifted upstart take their work for their own? Or lose control of the creative process? Keaton's creative struggles are really understandable.
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Jan 5, 2021 01:03
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Kevin Conroy played Batman in Crisis on Infinite Earths. He need not be a mere cameo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GpdErpjr4
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Space_Butler posted:My theory, since the rumor began of Keaton being in the movie, has been the movie will do the same bookends as Flashpoint, but the first Batman will just be Affleck and the last scene after Barry changes/fixes everything will be Keaton, down to Barry and Bruce not sure if anything changed at all. They might just make Affleck pull double duty for the Thomas Wayne role and have a big final sacrificial scene for an onscreen farewell. Or like Hal Jordan's appearance on JLU. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1tadX5hZs&t=37s
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Jan 5, 2021 01:05
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Arist posted:Iñárritu casting Michael Keaton in his movie, basically putting a shitload of resentment in his mouth over the role of Batman when Keaton clearly does not actually feel that way at all, really rubs me wrong. this is really weird and reads like you're saying the movie is trying to gaslight it's main star or something.
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I'm guessing he'll be training a Batgirl, maybe with a Red Hood villain. Edit: oh I guess that's the rumor on Twitter too. O just figured it was easier to write in crossovers for Babs than Terry. theironjef fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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FilthyImp posted:Wtf? No popular character actor has ever felt creatively constrained by their mainstream work/persona? Not really interested in a protracted argument about this so I hope this ends it, but: What creative struggles? The movie is transparently about what Iñárritu feels, not Keaton. Plus, based on reading interviews like this and seeing him return to the role of Batman this much later, Keaton seems totally at peace with everything the movie is using him as a prop for. Also, you're weirdly hostile to me every time I post in here and it's really offputting.
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Jan 5, 2021 01:36
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Arist posted:What creative struggles? The movie is transparently about what Iñárritu feels, not Keaton. Plus, based on reading interviews like this and seeing him return to the role of Batman this much later, Keaton seems totally at peace with everything the movie is using him as a prop for. Two, the conflicts I noted were explicitly the conflicts of the character Keaton portrays in the film. I cop to not being clearer on that, and I apologize. quote:Also, you're weirdly hostile to me every time I post in here and it's really offputting.  oh, so self-indulgent is offputting
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quote:Not really interested in a protracted argument about this so I hope this ends it, but: Keaton is an actor getting paid to play pretend in a movie. He read the script before filming. You've got this really weird fantasy going on in your head where Iñárritu and by extension the movie have somehow duped Keaton into playing the role.
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I'm not removing Keaton's agency. I'm not saying he got duped. That's not even close to what I'm suggesting and I have no idea where you got that idea. I'm saying he was cast for a purpose. Keaton is there to intentionally draw parallels between his character in the movie and the real world Michael Keaton. It's just a gimmick, and one that removes me from the film because I know Michael Keaton does not feel that way. I'm not saying it's bad because poor Michael Keaton, I'm saying it's bad because the parallel is fundamentally flawed and shows that the director is talking out of his rear end.FilthyImp posted:Yeah, no idea why someone kramering in with "kramering in here" I've been posting in iterations of this thread for like, five or six years at least, dude, why are you such a dick?
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Jan 5, 2021 01:56
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Arist posted:I know Michael Keaton does not feel that way. Again this is really weird. You can just say you don't like the movie instead of developing a weird head canon where the movie is actively disrespecting Micheal Keaton/Batman somehow.
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Jan 5, 2021 01:59
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Ghosthotel posted:Again this is really weird. You can just say you don't like the movie instead of developing a weird head canon where the movie is actively disrespecting Micheal Keaton somehow. I explicitly say in that post that I don't think that, can you read? also I did just say I didn't like the movie and people attacked me for that too, jesus
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Arist posted:I'm not removing Keaton's agency. I'm not saying he got duped. That's not even close to what I'm suggesting and I have no idea where you got that idea. I'm saying he was cast for a purpose. Keaton is there to intentionally draw parallels between his character in the movie and the real world Michael Keaton. It's just a gimmick, and one that removes me from the film because I know Michael Keaton does not feel that way. I'm not saying it's bad because poor Michael Keaton, I'm saying it's bad because the parallel is fundamentally flawed and shows that the director is talking out of his rear end. Keaton was cast to draw that parallel because people recognize him as having been Batman then disappearing for thirty years. Not because he wanted to trick anyone. At least not anymore so than casting John Wayne in True Grit was tricking anyone. You've got a weird hate boner for this movie and nothing you're saying makes any sense.
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Jan 5, 2021 02:02
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Vince MechMahon posted:Keaton was cast to draw that parallel because people recognize him as having been Batman then disappearing for thirty years. Not because he wanted to trick anyone. At least not anymore so than casting John Wayne in True Grit was tricking anyone. You've got a weird hate boner for this movie and nothing you're saying makes any sense. I'm not saying this. I'm not saying any of the things you people think I'm saying. The first sentence of this post does not actually contradict my position, because it's part of my position. I don't have a hateboner for it, people just jumped up my rear end for saying it's not good. God. I'll stop.
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Arist posted:I'm not removing Keaton's agency. I'm not saying he got duped. That's not even close to what I'm suggesting and I have no idea where you got that idea. I'm saying he was cast for a purpose. Keaton is there to intentionally draw parallels between his character in the movie and the real world Michael Keaton. It's just a gimmick, and one that removes me from the film because I know Michael Keaton does not feel that way. I'm not saying it's bad because poor Michael Keaton, I'm saying it's bad because the parallel is fundamentally flawed and shows that the director is talking out of his rear end. You, as the viewer, are drawing those parallels. I think it’s just as easy to say that Keaton was cast because he fit the role well, or maybe that the role was written with someone like him in mind- an actor who could draw on real world experience and act like they are bitter about doing that instead of more “artistic” work.
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Maybe Keaton is like Harrison ford and will put his personal feelings about it aside for a check now that he's older and poorer, or like mark hamill who has come full circle and is now okay with embracing it
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Jan 5, 2021 02:16
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I have clearly given people the wrong impression about how big a problem this is to me. Like, I don't know that it's even in the top 5 things I don't like about that movie, it's just the first thing I thought of.
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Jan 5, 2021 02:17
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Arist posted:I don't have a hateboner for it, people just jumped up my rear end for saying it's not good. God. I'll stop. Had you just gone with something like the one-take was too gimmicky or that Keaton's presence kept drawing you out of the film then it'd be easier to discuss.
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I've never seen Birdman but I can say with 69% certainty that I don't like it, based purely on how weird people are being about it rn.
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BrianWilly posted:I've never seen Birdman but I can say with 69% certainty that I don't like it, based purely on how weird people are being about it rn.
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I think Birdman's pretty good. 
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Without Birdman we would not have gotten Keaton as The Vulture
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The United States posted:Without Birdman we would not have gotten Keaton as The Vulture Is this a world where we somehow don't have to deal with the Sony live-action Spider-verse?
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A world without Venom is a world I don't want to live in
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I'm rewatching Apocalypse and boy is it not good. Nightcrawler not being able to teleport through a fence, Scott's eye beams setting a tree on fire, some really bad cgi in the pyramid collpase. yikes.
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If you eyepunch things hard enough the energy transfer would start a fire.
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Soonmot posted:I'm rewatching Apocalypse and boy is it not good. Nightcrawler not being able to teleport through a fence, Scott's eye beams setting a tree on fire, some really bad cgi in the pyramid collpase. yikes. Watch Dark Phoenix next and Apocalypse will look like a masterpiece.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Watch Dark Phoenix next and Apocalypse will look like a masterpiece. thankfully it isn't on D+
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you know what's *very cool* how instead of being a highly skilled pickpocket who's only caught because she picked the pocket of a literal psychic, Storm just grabs a big handfull of cash after making a strong breeze and then needs to be rescued from a couple dudes.
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Jamesman posted:Batman: Into the Bat-Verse You forget Dietrich Bader. He's been the voice of Batman for a while. Apocalypse is such a waste of everyone and everything. It was Fox saying "No we absolutely refuse to do the things people like about these characters!". Except Angel, no one likes Angel.
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I choose to believe that Bruce Wayne helps finance a slapdash camp version if the Batman's adventures to control the marketing (West version) and then allows a studio duology (Forever, & Robin) that's more campy and neon-y to make everyone outside of Gotham think the idea of a man dressed as a flying rodent is a lark. Then, of course, Wayne Films gets bought out by Consolidated Designs and the grim Begins trilogy tackles the post-robin-death fury and rage of the Bat.
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twistedmentat posted:Apocalypse is such a waste of everyone and everything. It was Fox saying "No we absolutely refuse to do the things people like about these characters!". Except Angel, no one likes Angel. They did another Quicksilver slow-mo scene, I feel like that's one of, if not the the only thing people liked about him.
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TwoPair posted:They did another Quicksilver slow-mo scene, I feel like that's one of, if not the the only thing people liked about him. It wasn't as good though.
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