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The Monday Night Wars were completely the same way. There were WWF fans who said everything WCW was garbage and WCW fans who said everything WWF was garbage. Before that we weren't centralized enough to really know or see but it probably still happened on smaller scales. Because really, its just tribalism and team fandom. It happens in sports all the time. It happens with consoles, phones, and computers. It happens with Marvel and DC or Star Trek and Star Wars. People get too attached to their interests, make it part of their identity, and then lash out in defense of it.
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And I say England's greatest Prime Minister was Lord Palmerston!
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STAC Goat posted:The Monday Night Wars were completely the same way. There were WWF fans who said everything WCW was garbage and WCW fans who said everything WWF was garbage. I guess it just felt different because of the times. I know there were WCW and WWF people, but it never felt as violently antagonistic as it does now. Again, might just be that were all too online now so we always see the worst of it.
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Social media has definitely made things worse.
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Seams posted:Social media has definitely made things worse. deleting twitter is the best move i have ever made and i will never go back
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Seams posted:Social media has definitely made things worse. Good take on the world in general, but this is supposed to be a wrestling thread.
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who are the most well-known wrestlers who do not have a twitter account
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Cavauro posted:who are the most well-known wrestlers who do not have a twitter account I was going to say Backlund but there are few dubious looking ones that could possibly be him
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Ganso Bomb posted:I guess it just felt different because of the times. I know there were WCW and WWF people, but it never felt as violently antagonistic as it does now. Again, might just be that were all too online now so we always see the worst of it. I think a big difference between then and now is that fans were used to their being multiple wrestling promotions around. Nowadays WWE fans aren't used to competition and AEW's existence feels like more of a direct threat. A wrestler leaving one company for another isn't just a part of the process, but unheard of betrayal. If AEW beats RAW in the ratings WWE might actually go out of business. Well, that and to still be a WWE fan after everything, there's gotta be something wrong with you.
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I think as a sports fan I've seen it more toxic than anything I've ever seen as a wrestling fan. Like nothing reaches the level of the way some people care about Yankees/Red Sox or Dodgers/Giants or stuff like that. Its really psychotic. And there's always fans who just live and breath their team. Call the team "we" and "us" and really mean it. Jump down your throat if you criticize them or say something good about the other guy. I don't think wrestling in the Monday Night Wars days generally got that bad but we weren't all connected like we are and it was kind of a flash in the pan culturally. You didn't have the years and generations of buildup sports have. I definitely agree that the internet and social media just polarizes everyone more and makes it so much easier for people to be anonymous assholes because they don't see other people online as actual people. And the 20 years of dominance WWE has had probably contributes as well. You do have a generation of people who have known nothing but WWE and either they love it because it is their entire wrestling world or they hate it because they think its been a bane of better things. So that builds all these intense ideas and emotions and then the internet ramps all that up and connects us all so we all see the worst of the worst. And lets everyone get lost in their bubble and lose all perspective.
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yeah the thing to keep in mind is that for a lot of wwe fans, wwe IS wrestling; it's all they've ever known, anything else is illegitimate and wwe spends a lot of time confirming that idea to its audience incidentally a tactic of certain religious institutions, I'm not saying it's a cult mentality but I'm making a face and quietly trailing off without finishing my point
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JOHN CENA posted:deleting twitter is the best move i have ever made and i will never go back made it better for the rest of us too, thanks 
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Cavauro posted:who are the most well-known wrestlers who do not have a twitter account Currently active is probably Juice Robinson.
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I Before E posted:Currently active is probably Juice Robinson. ishii, him, and gedo are the biggest new japan names with no twitter presence
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Procrastinator posted:made it better for the rest of us too, thanks i never tweeted
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Gavok posted:And I say England's greatest Prime Minister was Lord Palmerston! Pitt the Elder!
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Ganso Bomb posted:When did wrestling fans become so toxic and insane with how they draw company lines? quote:Twitter.
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STAC Goat posted:I think as a sports fan I've seen it more toxic than anything I've ever seen as a wrestling fan. Like nothing reaches the level of the way some people care about Yankees/Red Sox or Dodgers/Giants or stuff like that. Its really psychotic. And there's always fans who just live and breath their team. Call the team "we" and "us" and really mean it. Jump down your throat if you criticize them or say something good about the other guy. This is a good post. Say what you will about wrestling fans, but at least (to my knowledge anyway) none of them have ever started a riot over their favorite wrestler losing. EDIT: And after a quick google search, never mind. 
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Vandar posted:This is a good post. hoooo boy the repercussions from Inoki vs. Big Van Vader were really something. as Ditch pointed out, this cost NJPW ability to use Sumo Hall at the time, and may have been the final straw for their TV company, moving them from a prime-time slot to midnight. All to try and get Beat Takeshi over
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harperdc posted:hoooo boy the repercussions from Inoki vs. Big Van Vader were really something. as Ditch pointed out, this cost NJPW ability to use Sumo Hall at the time, and may have been the final straw for their TV company, moving them from a prime-time slot to midnight. All to try and get Beat Takeshi over Beat Takeshi is a legit legend
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he's a natural heel, i dont think you'd need to cause a riot to get him over that said, i could easily see young man beat inciting a riot through promos even if vader wasn't around
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Lunatic Sledge posted:yeah the thing to keep in mind is that for a lot of wwe fans, wwe IS wrestling; it's all they've ever known, anything else is illegitimate and wwe spends a lot of time confirming that idea to its audience STAC Goat posted:I think as a sports fan I've seen it more toxic than anything I've ever seen as a wrestling fan. Like nothing reaches the level of the way some people care about Yankees/Red Sox or Dodgers/Giants or stuff like that. Its really psychotic. And there's always fans who just live and breath their team. Call the team "we" and "us" and really mean it. Jump down your throat if you criticize them or say something good about the other guy.
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Ganso Bomb posted:I guess it just felt different because of the times. I know there were WCW and WWF people, but it never felt as violently antagonistic as it does now. Again, might just be that were all too online now so we always see the worst of it. It was just harder to find because it wasn't centralized to one website.
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Something I find fascinating is that the company has been WWE longer than it was WWF (right?) and yet even younger fans that weren't even born when the change occurred will still refer to it as WWF.
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Cavauro posted:i don't believe anyone between the ages of zero and 25 calls it wwf. i'll require proof to believe it. "stone cold" proof  "Anything can happen in the World Wrestling Federation!"
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Something I find fascinating is that the company has been WWE longer than it was WWF (right?) and yet even younger fans that weren't even born when the change occurred will still refer to it as WWF. Capitol Wrestling Corporation 1953-1963 (~10 years) World Wide Wrestling Federation 1963-1979 (~16 years) World Wrestling Federation 1979-2002 (~23 years) World Wrestling Entertainment 2002-present (~19 years) If you're talking about the corporate name, It was Titan for 18 years (1980-1998), then WWF for barely a year before turning into WWFE for another three years, then WWE for the past 18-19 years. So from that perspective it's been WWE for much longer than WWF, though this also presupposes everyone talked about Wrestlemanias I-XIV being "Titan Sports" events. It's also weird because (in large part thanks to WWE's own efforts) wrestling fans spend a great deal of time discussing pre-2002 WWF Superstars, and while technically people like Hogan/Flair/Rock/Austin/Foley/Hart/Michaels/etc. have done work for WWE, it's weird to talk about Hogan vs. Andre being for the WWE title, almost like talking about Oklahoma City Thunder legend Shawn Kemp, or Los Angeles Baseball Trailblazer Jackie Robinson. Of course in corporate terms, Jack Kirby is apparently a Disney Legend despite dying estranged from Marvel in 1994, fifteen years before Disney bought Marvel, so with enough marketing anything is possible! Perhaps one day people will look back fondly on the legendary All Elite Wrestling Barbed Wire Christmas Tree match from 2007.
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For some reason I thought the WWWF-WWF changeover happened closer to '83, but yeah, I'm talking about people referring to it as WWF rather than WWE nineteen years later even if they never watched it when it was still WWF. I think part of it is that they would regularly call it "World Wrestling Federation" when it was still WWF, like the New Age Outlaws entrance, but since the change they only ever say WWE and I can't think of a time a wrestler (or WWE SUPERSTAR from the WWE UNIVERSE) has said "World Wrestling Entertainment" out loud.
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Halloween Jack posted:Like, Philly is a big city for wrestling, and I've never heard of a wrestling-related riot in Philly. That's because Cena didn't win that one time. Otherwise? Riot. (DON'T RUIN THIS JOKE BY TELLING ME IT WAS IN NYC. I DON'T CARE. PHILLY WOULD HAVE RIOTED.) IronCladBurrito fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jan 6, 2021 |
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Someone with the WWE Network, have they done anything with the Dragon Gate USA footage they own? (I believe it came with the WWN library but I could be wrong?) Even for like a Daniel Bryan related special? Or Johnny Gargano?
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forkboy84 posted:Someone with the WWE Network, have they done anything with the Dragon Gate USA footage they own? (I believe it came with the WWN library but I could be wrong?) Even for like a Daniel Bryan related special? Or Johnny Gargano? They only bought the EVOLVE library, the rest of WWN is still owned by WWN. I don't know if they have put any old EVOLVE up on the network. The old shows looks o low rent they might not want to. Edit: I might be wrong since DGUSA isn't on the WWN website anymore. But WWN itself wasn't sold they supposedly want to run shows after the pandemic. Edit: I am in fact wrong, WWE bought DGUSA/EVOLVE but I am pretty sure they did not buy the FIP library to complete the Gabe trilogy. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jan 6, 2021 |
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IronCladBurrito posted:That's because Cena didn't win that one time. Otherwise? Riot.
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