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He should have put some kinda long reach dickpunch thing on his filler and it would have been a fight, this was just rules lawyering. I love SoW but that dude has always been a dick.
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I'm pretty sure Huge got the award for most innovative design or something their first year, so all the other builders really don't have a problem with it For comparison, Hydra got booed
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Jan 8, 2021 22:03
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It would have been infinitely better had Hydra put a Huge-height spike on the flipper in addition to the cow catcher and looked like they were trying. Hell, there were at least 3 times a huge wheel was the flipper. Just give it a little pop and carry on. Like, I get the rules lawyer explanation for why Hydra won, but that was just unsatisfying. At least Beta's lack of weapon use was explainable by "we didn't have an opening yet," but unlike Beta, Hydra didn't even attempt to gain an opening.
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Jan 8, 2021 22:16
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RBA Starblade posted:Having just watched it Hydra should have been DQ'd not just for not actively fighting but for trying that "I'm not touching you" poo poo with the ref. If Hydra had even just repositioned the cowcatcher so it could still attempt to fire I think it would have been fine, they designed a hard counter to a robot that itself counters that kind of weapon and that's fine, but Hydra also very obviously skirted the rules at best and ignored them at worst, and from how the driver was acting it's obvious that the plan was entirely that.
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Jan 8, 2021 22:17
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How did Kraken's teeth stay on when it kept jamming them straight into the spinner? Cool fight.
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Jan 8, 2021 22:25
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Hydras cage made it impossible to use its weapon. The cage itself wasn't the problem, the fact it turned itself into a push bot was. If the whole thing had been hinged and actuated by the flipper they could have played keep away and still been entertaining.
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Jan 8, 2021 22:40
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So basically, gently caress Hydra.
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Great Beer posted:Hydras cage made it impossible to use its weapon. The cage itself wasn't the problem, the fact it turned itself into a push bot was. If the whole thing had been hinged and actuated by the flipper they could have played keep away and still been entertaining. Exactly. If anything, that'd be MORE effective. Corral it THEN launch it. They didn't though, because they were hoping that they wouldn't be the first team to be DQed* for skirting/breaking the rules. *Is that true actually?
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Jan 8, 2021 23:58
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It was cheesy as hell. It wasn't fun to watch, and everyone including the team knew it was a morally shady, but also legitimate move. Boo.
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Jan 8, 2021 23:59
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I can't get too upset about HUGE vs Hydra because that strategy has a pretty obvious counter. HUGE just need a pair of wheels that terminate in spikes where their weapon range is longer than the base of the spike. It's on them for not thinking of that. There are bots that would beat them the same way with no mods like SMEEEEE... which they already fought and lost to before. edit - although the "I'm not touching you" thing was super lame and I would've started a KO count and asked for movement. beepsandboops posted:Disappointing season so far. Two big fights that feature a winner who didn't engage their weapon a single time. SubZero won its fight in a proper way so at least there's that. 
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Jan 9, 2021 01:09
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Rondette posted:a morally shady, but also legitimate move.
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Jan 9, 2021 01:16
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Hydra modified themselves in such a way that it was impossible for their flipper to hit their opponent. That means it's no longer a functional weapon, and hence the bot is not valid in this competition
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Jan 9, 2021 03:01
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Jake Ewert thinks he's playing a villain or a heel, but mostly he's a charisma black hole. Even in earlier seasons when he wasn't explicitly unsportsmanlike, he was so unlikable just from being.
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Jan 9, 2021 03:49
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In wrestling they call it go away heat.Tunicate posted:Hydra modified themselves in such a way that it was impossible for their flipper to hit their opponent. 
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also what I really want to see now is someone renting out that huge catcher, putting it in the box unattached to their main bot as a 'minibot', and just absolutely destroying it at the start of the match
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oh jay posted:Jake Ewert thinks he's playing a villain or a heel, but mostly he's a charisma black hole. Even in earlier seasons when he wasn't explicitly unsportsmanlike, he was so unlikable just from being. He can’t even make eye contact with anyone. He’s a villain the same way school shooters are villains. Also don’t the Ewerts come off as a little creepy as a whole to anyone else? And their whole “throwing spaghetti at the wall to try to get in the finals” gimmick smacks of a fundamental lack of confidence and focus.
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Jan 9, 2021 08:23
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A lot of builders weren't huge fans of Team Whyachi back in the day because they were the equivalent of a Nascar team going to a local car meet. They all wear custom uniforms when most builders could only afford t-shirts with emblems, have a poo poo load of money to burn, and try to act like a professional team in a sport that's still considered amateur. That being said, Terry Ewert is the actual brains and charisma behind their entire robot combat operation and he retired a few years ago. None of the Ewert children seemed to be able to pick up the slack. And I definitely agree with the calls that Hydra should have forfeited if their addon makes their weapon inoperable.
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Jan 9, 2021 09:26
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I mean, I remember the poo poo they pulled with Son of Wyachi the first year with it's bullshit walking system. The rule got changed the next year to require articulated walkers to get the weight bonus, and they got destroyed ASAP in the Super-heavyweight class
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Jan 9, 2021 09:34
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The Glumslinger posted:I mean, I remember the poo poo they pulled with Son of Wyachi the first year with it's bullshit walking system. The rule got changed the next year to require articulated walkers to get the weight bonus, and they got destroyed ASAP in the Super-heavyweight class The ewerts are a long term family of rules lawyers.
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Jan 9, 2021 09:57
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ok... but how long before everyone going against Huge has some sort of cowcatcher attachment now?
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If it becomes stupid and unfun, I'm assuming the rules and invitational nature of the tournament will adjust to compensate. Imagine if you were allowed to bring variants, but must use each once and only once, and don't know your fight cards ahead of time. Or rules limiting structural components that surpass X% of the baseline chassis. Next year's rules were already adjusted re: weapon use in a way that would've disqualified Hydra right?
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Jan 9, 2021 10:31
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I hope they don't go that strict, otherwise bots like the actually good Bombshell wouldn't be allowed. Or Ghost Raptor who was forced to improvise into a lifter because their primary weapon got completely trashed. I think the rule change they're planning is adequate for now.
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Jan 9, 2021 11:08
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Team Huge were dumbasses for aiming directly at Hydra over and over instead of smashing off the ends of cowcatcher. But Hydra still should have been DQed.
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Jan 9, 2021 11:38
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Team Huge were dumbasses for aiming directly at Hydra over and over instead of smashing off the ends of cowcatcher. Huge doesnt seem to be the most mobile bot. It looks like its struggling for traction all the time. Going in at the wrong angle could easily have resulted in just getting shoved into the corner sooner.
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Jan 9, 2021 12:46
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Could someone explain the logistics of the 4000$ bot to me. That things does not look 4000$.
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MiddleOne posted:Could someone explain the logistics of the 4000$ bot to me. That things does not look 4000$. You just gotta be a careful shopper down at the second-hand robot store
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Jan 9, 2021 14:43
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MiddleOne posted:Could someone explain the logistics of the 4000$ bot to me. That things does not look 4000$. Laser cutting is really cheap.
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Jan 9, 2021 14:45
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I'm not going to go all through all your post histories to see if people chewing out Hydra are the same ones that think Beta should have won. Hydra won in the funniest, shittiest manner and while it was boring as hell to watch, at least this will lead to rules changes because more combined points for Control and Aggression (3+3) than Damage (5) is dumb as poo poo.
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Jan 9, 2021 17:34
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Lone Goat posted:I'm not going to go all through all your post histories to see if people chewing out Hydra are the same ones that think Beta should have won. I'll admit it. I'm chewing out Hydra, though I agree that per the rules as written, Hydra and Betas wins are correct because they inflicted deliberate hits with arena hazards (even Hydra managed a deliberate hammer shot or two while playing keep away). I'm still going to chew out Hydra for being lovely about it, because unlike Beta, they willfully modified their bot in a way that made the weapon ineffective, ran down the clock, and argued with the ref. The rules definitely need to be amended to favor primary weapon hits, but as written, they both did meet judging criteria.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Team Huge were dumbasses for aiming directly at Hydra over and over instead of smashing off the ends of cowcatcher. One of the downsides to Huge's design is it's never going to control a match... They barely get enough traction to move around, they can't target the side of an opponent. Even a lovely bot driver could keep Huge in front of it.
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Jan 9, 2021 18:06
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In the Beta fight it was the other robot that decided to run a configuration that meant that neither robot could damage the other.
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Lone Goat posted:I'm not going to go all through all your post histories to see if people chewing out Hydra are the same ones that think Beta should have won. I think Hydra probably should have been DQ'd for not fighting in the fighting robots contest, but it is amusing that Huge, a bot whose gimmick is "hahaha you can't touch me," got beat by a team that made it so Huge couldn't touch them.
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Jan 9, 2021 18:17
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Admittedly the idea of a bot with a token weapon and a massive arsenal of custom-made bullbars designed to keep each and every bot in the competition away sounds pretty funny
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Irony Be My Shield posted:In the Beta fight it was the other robot that decided to run a configuration that meant that neither robot could damage the other. Was Rotator built in a way that meant Beta could never swing its hammer?
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Jan 9, 2021 18:55
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Lone Goat posted:Was Rotator built in a way that meant Beta could never swing its hammer? Rotator changed to a configuration that couldn't hurt Beta in order to ward off Beta hitting them.
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MiddleOne posted:Rotator changed to a configuration that couldn't hurt Beta in order to ward off Beta hitting them. What part of that prevented Beta from pushing the button that said Swing Hammer?
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The Beta/Rotator & Huge/Hydra argument is very much an apples to oranges argument imo. They are not the same scenario. Even though Beta didn't fire their weapon, it's clearly they could have and it was part of their game plan. Hydra's game plan was clearly to NOT fire their weapon at all during the match, and I'm not even sure if they still even had it in the bot or if they removed it to have the weight for the cow catcher...
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:The Beta/Rotator & Huge/Hydra argument is very much an apples to oranges argument imo. They are not the same scenario. Even though Beta didn't fire their weapon, it's clearly they could have and it was part of their game plan. Hydra's game plan was clearly to NOT fire their weapon at all during the match, and I'm not even sure if they still even had it in the bot or if they removed it to have the weight for the cow catcher... Beta's strategy was so cowardly that they intentionally caromed Rotator into their hammer so that they could say "whoopsie guess I can't swing the hammer" absolute charlatans, those Beta boys.
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Jan 9, 2021 19:42
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 / Lone Goat posted:...they intentionally caromed Rotator into their hammer...
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Huge makes a major trade off for the design. They have and use their active weapon as best they can, and their bot has been hit and destroyed before. It's just a bot that is towards the edge of the design space that battle bots can exist in. What Hydra did was qualify as a bot with an active weapon then go into the arena with a plan to sit in the corner in such a way that the other bot couldn't touch them. It's total horse poo poo. Huge even used it's drag legs to lift Hydra and get a little tap with their main weapon. Huge tried so hard to engage in an actual fight and the driver was so pissed after and yet so composed and reasonable with his answers. If Hydra had put a lift kit of some sort on their flipper so they could touch Huge and went in with the intention of boxing Huge and then using their weapon, fine, but they didn't. Garbage fight, garbage judge decision. Hydra should have been disqualified the second he told the ref no.
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