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apropos to nothing posted:please do not read the WSWS, it is the publication of the SEP which is probably the most out of touch and sectarian of all the tiny sects on the left as evidenced by their articles on roman polanski but also by if you go to any action or meeting or event with an open discussion you will inevitably find one of their members present haranguing everyone else present for being opportunist reactionary traitors to the revolution i keep hearing they're sex pests and such, and rumored to be british to top it off, but i would appreciate if someone told me wtf is going on with them and why
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Homeless Friend posted:created gives the wrong impression. like it popped out in its entirety. its like natural selection, enormous selection pressure. Yeah capitalism is quite Darwinist, where things get selected based on market pressure. That's why despite there not actually being a grand conspiracy of every capitalist in existence colluding, they all strive for the same goals like diminishing labor, regulatory capture etc. The market selected the companies doing so because it's the most successful strategy in capitalism.
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lollontee posted:i keep hearing they're sex pests and such, and rumored to be british to top it off, but i would appreciate if someone told me wtf is going on with them and why I'm unaware of actual scandals directly involving them but someone posted upthread a bunch of articles arguing that Harvey Weinstein is being persecuted. Which, even passing by the horrific sexism, is a really funny thing for a revolutionary communist to complain about.
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lollontee posted:i keep hearing they're sex pests and such, and rumored to be british to top it off, but i would appreciate if someone told me wtf is going on with them and why someone posted the links to all their bizarre articles on pedophile film directors and #MeToo on the previous page. you are welcome to skim through it. what i can tell you is i’ve been aware of them for over ten years. the focus on “men’s rights” type poo poo has long been their most bizarre output. ive had the pleasure of meeting a couple of them in person, and they come off pretty loving deranged, just subjectively. they will get in your face and start yelling at you without any provocation. outside of the weird sex stuff and general unwarranted aggression, they are the most sectarian of the small trotskyist groups in the USA. they do not work with anyone else, and a huge part of their output is invective against every other trotskyist group doing it wrong, while being a micro-sect with nothing to show for themselves.
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THS posted:someone posted the links to all their bizarre articles on pedophile film directors and #MeToo on the previous page. you are welcome to skim through it. there's something about the structure there that makes people go complete hog on sexual or gender-related issues it pangs of the Communist Party of Britain, in a way, but not nearly like this Victory Position fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jan 8, 2021 |
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lollontee posted:i keep hearing they're sex pests and such, and rumored to be british to top it off, but i would appreciate if someone told me wtf is going on with them and why like others have said, they’re just super aggro and sectarian towards everyone and where they have a presence they have like no connection or relationship to the labor movement or actual struggle. like locally there were and maybe still are a few but I don’t know never met them no one I know who’s active in any of the unions knew them, only a few of our members knew about them cause they were students and they went to one of their events which they would hold every month on campus about how trotsky/trotskyism is great and complain about every other left group and why they’re wrong. just totally disconnected from struggle. if you read trotskys part on sectarianism in the transitional program it describes them word for word, ironically enough. I usually don’t poo poo talk other orgs but make an exception for them. regarding just in time production and distribution I would recommend Kim moodys on new terrain which discusses it and what it means for socialist organizing
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immediately after posting that I remembered an anecdote one of our student members related where they walked by them once when they were tabling and the table was just filled with like dense library books no newspapers or flyers or sign ups just like whole rear end books. and they didn’t know who they were and were prettt new to SA and just saw they were socialists and were like oh cool hey how’s it going I’m a socialist too I’m in SA and the response was immediately oh yeah here’s a pamphlet on what’s wrong with Sawant and why Sa is bad
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apropos to nothing posted:immediately after posting that I remembered an anecdote one of our student members related where they walked by them once when they were tabling and the table was just filled with like dense library books no newspapers or flyers or sign ups just like whole rear end books. and they didn’t know who they were and were prettt new to SA and just saw they were socialists and were like oh cool hey how’s it going I’m a socialist too I’m in SA and the response was immediately oh yeah here’s a pamphlet on what’s wrong with Sawant and why Sa is bad I'm not sure if was them or the Spartacists but one time an ISO comrade of mine a few years ago got spat on one of them when making a similar naive and friendly overture
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Mr. Lobe posted:I'm not sure if was them or the Spartacists but one time an ISO comrade of mine a few years ago got spat on one of them when making a similar naive and friendly overture yeah dont have any of them around luckily so no experiences but have heard stories of that kind of poo poo from them too.
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apropos to nothing posted:immediately after posting that I remembered an anecdote one of our student members related where they walked by them once when they were tabling and the table was just filled with like dense library books no newspapers or flyers or sign ups just like whole rear end books. and they didn’t know who they were and were prettt new to SA and just saw they were socialists and were like oh cool hey how’s it going I’m a socialist too I’m in SA and the response was immediately oh yeah here’s a pamphlet on what’s wrong with Sawant and why Sa is bad well thats weird as hell. i mean their website looks like some sort of a parody of a /leftypol/ newspaper and its full of articles aimed at the incel demographic. idk the great incel masses might be one of the great untapped powers of the internet proletariat, but i can see some mass psychological problems when organizing them into a party however
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There is a certain kind of Marxist Leninist that you end up meeting who is extremely misogynistic and homophobic.
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lollontee posted:well thats weird as hell. i mean their website looks like some sort of a parody of a /leftypol/ newspaper and its full of articles aimed at the incel demographic. idk the great incel masses might be one of the great untapped powers of the internet proletariat, but i can see some mass psychological problems when organizing them into a party however World Sexpest Web Site
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ToxicAcne posted:There is a certain kind of Marxist Leninist that you end up meeting who is extremely misogynistic and homophobic. Dude the first 'anarchist' org I got in contact with after I radicalised had homophobes in it. MLs is one thing - british ones seem to be hosed up, terf island - but how the gently caress are you a homophobe if you're a self-proclaimed anarchist? I noped out of there post haste when I met those people but it's mind boggling still, cos since then orgs i worked with of varied views from mls through trots to anarchists have always been very progressive in most respects. it was just this one org and surprise surprise it's a loving drama magnet that everyone avoids dex_sda fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Mr. Lobe posted:I'm not sure if was them or the Spartacists but one time an ISO comrade of mine a few years ago got spat on one of them when making a similar naive and friendly overture Sparts are definitely more confrontational and annoying than SEP in my experience.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Sparts are definitely more confrontational and annoying than SEP in my experience. Had a rather surreal experience with our local split from the Sparts, who, lacking the forces to physically disrupt a forum on Korea and anti-imperialism, tried to use the Q&A to demand the panelists denounce the "one nation two systems" concept, and the Workers Party of Korea in general as capitulationist for discussing the possibility of peace talks. They were promptly laughed out of the hall.
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Doc Hawkins posted:the most marxist news outlet is the financial times Stop repeating this dumb poo poo just because a podcaster said so.
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Prince Myshkin posted:Stop repeating this dumb poo poo just because a podcaster said so. what’s the most Marxist news outlet please
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a Loving Dog posted:what’s the most Marxist news outlet please whichever one jim Cramer is on
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Prince Myshkin posted:Stop repeating this dumb poo poo just because a podcaster said so. what do you like
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THS posted:what do you like People's Daily
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Prince Myshkin posted:Stop repeating this dumb poo poo just because a podcaster said so. that's the mass line: you go out among the podcasts to investigate their conditions and create a plan of action on their concerns, keeping the revolutionary goal in mind.
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a Loving Dog posted:what’s the most Marxist news outlet please Highlights for Children
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Prince Myshkin posted:Highlights for Children why are you so resistant to revealing what you read for “current events”
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THS posted:why are you so resistant to revealing what you read for “current events” I'm not, I just don't believe it was a question that was asked honestly. Monthly Review FAIR People's World The Grayzone TeleSur Granma Kawsachun News Knock LA The Daily Poster Rating news outlets on "most to least Marxism" is pretty stupid unless they're explicitly publications of communist parties, but these all have good people working for them and fair takes on most things. I read rags like the NY Times, WaPo and yes, the FT when I want to raise my blood pressure.
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thanks. grayzone imo is one of the most important journalistic outfits existing and if you read this thread you should give them money sorry for being a dick
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I’m not sorry, and the question was asked seriously. i don’t care about being a dick to people who are also acting like dicks though 
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a Loving Dog posted:I’m not sorry, and the question was asked seriously. i don’t care about being a dick to people who are also acting like dicks though its just friendly hazing, don worry about it
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the grayzone is really good, but the fact is that the biggest news sites have the most people, so if something big happens and places like the grayzone dont magically happen to have anyone they know and trust on site, then youre going to end up waiting for a day or two for them to figure out wtf is happening for themselves, figure out what to think about it, before they get it up on your face. if you have a preset opinion switch like the major news sites, spewing out articles about how many people assad personally murdered today is p easy
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Sure. The real answer is to not be a passive consumer of news media, then you can read the big outlets for events coverage while tossing aside their obvious biases, or if it's a bunch of bullshit examine it to know exactly why.
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like youre new, you pop into a thread and post, and then *BLAME!* theres somebody questioning your marxist sincerety, whats an honest to loving Dog gonna think? we need to be more understanding of anarchists is what im saying, or this red-and-black thing aint ever gonna work
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THS posted:thanks. grayzone imo is one of the most important journalistic outfits existing and if you read this thread you should give them money
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Also Max and Ben like many good journalists are terminally online and sometimes talk about how much they hate DC people on their podcast Moderate Rebels. Adding to the list I like the Black Agenda Report, it's a black leftist prospective on current events and they also cover US imperialism in Africa.
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Prince Myshkin posted:Sure. The real answer is to not be a passive consumer of news media, then you can read the big outlets for events coverage while tossing aside their obvious biases, or if it's a bunch of bullshit examine it to know exactly why.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Adding to the list I like the Black Agenda Report, it's a black leftist prospective on current events and they also cover US imperialism in Africa. By Any Means Necessary is a good radio show/podcast along those lines
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