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Tars Tarkas posted:Uh, do you have clear good photos of the new Starfleet or Ni'Var ships? Nah, we didn't work on any of those sequences. I think CBS is planning to release VFX breakdowns for awards season though, so I would expect if they do anything to highlight the Starfleet HQ stuff it'll feature better looks at those ships.
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Robot Style posted:Nah, we didn't work on any of those sequences. I think CBS is planning to release VFX breakdowns for awards season though, so I would expect if they do anything to highlight the Starfleet HQ stuff it'll feature better looks at those ships. oh rad must have been weird doing this during covid times too im sure
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No knock on you, Robot Style. All the VFX is actually really great looking with only a couple standout exceptions (sword lol and warp core down the well lolol) Some of the design decisions are freaking bizarre though
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Yeah it all looks top notch movie quality work.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:"Hit it" and "engage" are clearly the best commands to initiate warp. DS9 had an all Vulcan ship.  Semi-segregated ships make sense if it is based around environmental controls. Vulcans like it hot and dry. Andorians like it cool. Several species need axillary breathing apparatus to function in "normal" atmosphere. Cetaceans might be able to make do with some sort of anti-grav environmental suit for a while, but really they need deep water to be comfortable. A ship designed to make Horta as comfortable as possible probably wouldn't be comfortable for anyone else. We saw that one lady from the real low gravity planet, but there are probably a bunch of planets that have like .8 or 1.2 times the gravity of earth, and folks from there could function but would always be a little uncomfortable in "standard" gravity. A human can serve on an Andorian ship, but he's gonna need thermal underwear under his uniform. So humans mostly prefer to serve on ships where the environmental controls are set to the range humans find comfortable. And TV shows mostly tell the stories of those ships because it's easy.
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Clearly the turbolift shafts are actually Also the finale seemed super rushed. Osyraa being just killed without getting to really do stuff was disappointing, since she represents the most worldbuilding of the season, except for the burn.
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I must amend and say the warp core ejection sequence looked fine, it was just a poorly designed shot The wall of grey goo also looked good, despite making no sense whatsoever It it really was just the sword for bad vfx
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Is there a screen cap of this turbolift void that everyone's talking about? I'm intensely curious.
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Timby posted:Is there a screen cap of this turbolift void that everyone's talking about? I'm intensely curious. It's like an entire cityscape going by. It'll need to be like a five minute gif to really give you the idea
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Jan 9, 2021 22:14
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 You get the idea but it's actually even more insane than this shows
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Goon: I think these affects shots were really dumb Another Goon: I worked on some the effects for the show Goon: I would like to rephrase, the effects were good, I think the direction was bad and there wasn't much to work with Another Goon: I was actually the director for a lot of these effects scenes Goon: I would like to clarify that..
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MANY of effects shots were DUMB AS HELL Almost all of them were extremely well executed though This is not a contradiction
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It occurs to me that the inside of the turbolift space is giving me Tron Legacy vibes
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The Bloop posted:
What the everloving Christ. Discovery's designs have always irked me from day one, but what the everloving Christ.
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In the future Turbolifts actually shrink the user down to a microscopic level because of reasons. There fixed it.
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The shots look super good, it just makes no sense that the city from blade runner exists inside a ship that Tilly and Michael jog laps around.
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They really should have used that stuff for Micheal and Book fighting inside Osyrra's capitol ship or whatever. The warp core detonation was a really good shot, right up there with Last Jedi lightspeed kamikaze.
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apatheticman posted:In the future Turbolifts actually shrink the user down to a microscopic level because of reasons. It's actually timelord technology. The next stop on the lift is full of Daleks
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I guess we found out where the hundred thousand fighter craft are stored
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I know it’s not true, but I’m just gonna pretend it’s a trick of perspective and the walls of the turbo-void are a lot closer than they appear.
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Timby posted:What the everloving Christ.
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Jan 9, 2021 22:57
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The Borg cube in Picard was implicitly smaller.
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Yeah, even the bad S2 finale space battle was well done from a quality of work standpoint; they executed someone's vision well. The vision they executed was an just overly busy, wierdly blocked mess; and that's on the showrunner, director and visual design department. Someone sent them storyboards and then signed off on the mock ups, it's not their job to fight for less poo poo in thre frame.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes and that shot isn't like some of the others that make the space look even bigger It felt bigger than the cargo container space in Tycho on expanse It was bonkers
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Infidelicious posted:Yeah, even the bad S2 finale space battle was well done from a quality of work standpoint; they executed someone's vision well.
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As bad as this show is in general the VFX are among the best in television, much like its characters Discovery is vapid but extremely pretty
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Yeah the effects are almost always great but I wish they were supporting something better
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The Bloop posted:It it really was just the sword for bad vfx If I had to guess what happened there (since it wasn't our sequence), the sword probably looks janky because Sonequa Martin-Green was pregnant during filming of the season (a number of shots had her baby bump digitally removed or were filmed with her stunt double instead). Normally, Michelle Yeoh might have been able to stab deep enough that she could press the half-length prop blade she had against Sonequa's stomach to stabilize the contact point. Since that's not really an option when the person you're stabbing in the gut is pregnant, they just had to track the blade and hope for the best. Who knows, they may have even done some warping and stabilization to try to fix it, with what ended up in the episode being as good as they could get it without totally replacing Michelle Yeoh's entire arm with CG that lines up better.
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drat that totally makes sense. wild that they can hide the bump in so many shots. Must be hard to wrangle all those factors.
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Alchenar posted:So... normally I would give the benefit of the doubt that it's not supposed to be a stand-in for mental illness because as we've beaten to death, that would be terrible. But Detmer's PTSD storyline was about a form of mental illness and what Discovery explicitly said about handling PSTD was also horrifically wrong and bad. There was clearly someone in the production team who though that this season should have a recurring theme of dealing with trauma and loss. (see also Michael's storyline where she repeatedly loses people, Staments 'losing' his family, etc. The universe is broken and is grieving for the loss of civilisation. It recurs over and over). I mean, I don't see why "dealing with trauma and loss" as a theme would imply that Gray's presence implies mental illness. We're repeatedly shown familiar concepts turned on their heads (Vulcans and Romulans but they're unified! Empaths, but they talk to animals instead of reading human emotion! The Federation, but they don't immediately drop everything to help whoever they can right away! Earth, but xenophobic!) so it's another example of that, IMO. It's also a plot point for them to revisit if they really want to (the Trill seem convinced this is their future, but clearly if this is the result something in the process is a little strange). If it was a mental illness analogy, the extremely obvious resolution would be a cheesy scene where Adira realizes they found a family and Gray slowly fades away or something like that. The writers are dumb and bad, but I legitimately believe they are at least smart enough not to associate that sort of thing with "actually you're right! Gray does exist!"
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:"Hit it" and "engage" are clearly the best commands to initiate warp. That's one of the (many) good things about Lower Decks (and TAS before it) - it can do alien designs that would be impractical for live action. Edit: also speaking of segregated starships, apparently there was a reference to a USS Merrimack in TOS or one of the movies. I mean, while the actual US Navy reused the name since the Civil War, it's only on support ships. What were they thinking? Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Yvonmukluk posted:Edit: also speaking of segregated starships, apparently there was a reference to a USS Merrimack in TOS or one of the movies. I mean, while the actual US Navy reused the name since the Civil War, it's only on support ships. What were they thinking? I think the Yamato, Akagi and Bismark were used too. They just picked famous earth ships once they ran out of famous US Navy names as far as I can tell.
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USS Boaty McBoatface - E
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Infidelicious posted:I think the Yamato, Akagi and Bismark were used too. It'd be interesting if there was ever an in-universe backlash to the overly humanocentric naming conventions of Starfleet ships. Like some Andorian bureaucrat angry there's been like seven Enterprises and not one USS Kumari, and why are all of the Luna-classes named after moons in the Sol system anyway? Andoria's a moon, name a ship after us! And speaking of ship names, aside from Enterprise, Defiant and the ships we saw in Disco S3, has there ever been a legacy ship onscreen before? There's been ships that had the same names as prior ships, but they usually had different registries. I kind of wish we had some legacy ship we'd never heard of rather than Voyager, to show that hey, ships other than the ones who get their own series can become awesome in their own right. Alternatively, legacy ship Cerritos. HD DAD posted:USS Boaty McBoatface - E 
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Yvonmukluk posted:
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Those new uniforms all need some serious tailoring. They mostly look like the Disco crew are wearing grey sacks.
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That.. That was the worst hour of television I’ve subjected myself to in.. well. I can’t think of a way to finish that sentence.
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The_Doctor posted:Those new uniforms all need some serious tailoring. They mostly look like the Disco crew are wearing grey sacks. In the "Captain on the bridge" scene at the end of the episode, the cut of his uniform made my man Mr Rhys look like he has a flabby belly  We all know you could grate cheese on those abs, actor has a loving black belt in Krav Maga
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I just assumed all the Starfleet ships built at Utopia get named for earth stuff because Earth is primarily involved in building and designing them. Vulcans and Andorians probably have their own shipyards and presumably get licenses and blueprints or design their own ships and can name any ships they build whatever they want. Also Vulcan and Andoria don't really have oceans so they don't have a naval tradition or large bench of ship names, lol. Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Jan 10, 2021 |
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Gelf posted:In the "Captain on the bridge" scene at the end of the episode, the cut of his uniform made my man Mr Rhys look like he has a flabby belly And they gave no consideration to Wilson Cruz’s magnificent pecs like the old uniform did.
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