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Mushika
Dec 22, 2010

I just made some seitan earlier and realized I was almost out of fermented black bean paste. I use a ton of it, as I do with miso, Marmite, Vegemite, and other such goop for really deep, rich umami flavors in soups and stews, broths, sauces, marinades, glazes for tofu, and obviously flavoring liquid for gluten dough to make seitan.

It got me thinking, though, that I've never tried using douchi on its own before. As in, straight-up fermented black beans. I know it's delicious, and I know I've had in things like mapo tofu, but just own its own, I've never cooked with it. Is it as versatile as the paste? I've also never used what is sold as "fermented black bean sauce" because one, it is obviously saucier, and two, I'm almost certain that different varieties and brands probably have a pretty wide variety of different flavors. I usually stick to one or two brands of paste, usually Wang's Chunjang. Chunjang can be somewhat sweet, but Wangs isn't and is really versatile.

This stuff:



So has anyone ever used much douchi on its own?

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TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

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Mushika posted:

Is it as versatile as the paste?
Yeah, sure. Some sample recipes:

https://thewoksoflife.com/tofu-black-bean-sauce/
https://omnivorescookbook.com/stir-fried-bitter-melon/
https://www.chinasichuanfood.com/steamed-tofu-with-chili-sauce/
http://carolynjphillips.blogspot.com/2012/08/cool-calm-delicious-guizhous-spicy-mung.html
http://carolynjphillips.blogspot.com/2012/05/yunnans-stir-fried-rice-noodles.html
https://www.chinasichuanfood.com/pan-fried-tofu-with-black-bean-sauce/
https://www.therecipedepository.com/recipe/1637/pressed-tofu-and-peanuts-in-spicy-bean-sauce-hua-ren-dou-fu-gan
https://thewoksoflife.com/steamed-eggplant-hunan/
https://thewoksoflife.com/spicy-black-bean-twice-cooked-potatoes/

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Anyone have any mexican-ish recipes that are vegan and ideally fancy? Thinking taco ingredients, possibly with an entree that's more traditionally Mexican.

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

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xtal posted:

Anyone have any mexican-ish recipes that are vegan and ideally fancy? Thinking taco ingredients, possibly with an entree that's more traditionally Mexican.
https://dorastable.com (dozens and dozens of recipes)
https://patijinich.com/nopalitos-salad-with-pickled-chipotle/
https://patijinich.com/warm-nopalitos-with-sauteed-corn-and-guajillo/
https://patijinich.com/green-beans-with-peanuts-and-chile-de-arbol/
https://patijinich.com/chayote-squash-and-pickled-onion-salad/
https://patijinich.com/hibiscus-and-pecan-mole/
https://patijinich.com/melon-basil-margarita/
https://patijinich.com/salsa-macha-with-pistachios-walnuts-and-pine-nuts/
https://patijinich.com/hora-de-celebrar-pomegranate-tequila-chile-y-limon/
https://patijinich.com/ensalada-de-navidad/
https://patijinich.com/caramel-coated-pecans/
https://www.mexicoinmykitchen.com/chocolate-tamales-recipe/
https://www.mexicoinmykitchen.com/tacos-de-papa-potato-tacos-mex/
https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes...pe=tag&rank=188
https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1012538-mexican-chocolate-tofu-pudding
https://www.mexicoinmykitchen.com/squash-vine-and-shoots-soup/

That Jinich site has some more recipes too.

Plus a couple of cookbooks:
https://realfoodmedia.org/portfolio/decolonize-your-diet/
http://www.lotusartichoke.com/mexico-cookbook/

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


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Decolonize Your Diet is really good!

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

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How Wonderful! posted:

Decolonize Your Diet is really good!

I too enjoy pawpaw

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
That book is an instant purchase from me, thanks a lot for the post!

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

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I have a mouth ulcer so I've been eating a lot of minestrone, which weirdly was something I used to have all the time before I stopped eating meat, but something I haven't made in years.

Good, cheap and tasty, and does not currently risk lacerating the inside of my mouth :thumbsup:

von Braun
Oct 30, 2009


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Ate that at home when I was a kid all the time, and in school. Havent had it in ages

retpocileh
Oct 15, 2003
Just wanted to contribute my current go to roasted veggie bowl.

Chop up a couple sweet potatoes into little cubes, toss in olive oil, salt, and cayenne pepper.

Take equal parts broccoli and cauliflower florets and similarly toss them in oil and salt.

Roast all of the above in the oven until crispy/slightly charred.

Sautée some onions and bell peppers along with a bit of garlic.

Roast up some chickpeas in a frying pan with some oil, salt, and chipotle powder until they’re close to being crispy.

Make a tahini sauce with tahini, water, lemon, salt.

Once it’s all done, toss everything in a bowl, and drizzle the tahini on top.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

retpocileh posted:

Just wanted to contribute my current go to roasted veggie bowl.

Chop up a couple sweet potatoes into little cubes, toss in olive oil, salt, and cayenne pepper.

Take equal parts broccoli and cauliflower florets and similarly toss them in oil and salt.

Roast all of the above in the oven until crispy/slightly charred.

Sautée some onions and bell peppers along with a bit of garlic.

Roast up some chickpeas in a frying pan with some oil, salt, and chipotle powder until they’re close to being crispy.

Make a tahini sauce with tahini, water, lemon, salt.

Once it’s all done, toss everything in a bowl, and drizzle the tahini on top.

Add some red cabbage + walnuts and you've nailed my dinner last night.

Colonel J
Jan 3, 2008
I've started blanching my potatoes with baking soda before roasting them. Does this also work with sweet potato, to get that crunchy-outside-but-fluffy-center feel?

Cyber Sandwich
Nov 16, 2011

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Colonel J posted:

I've started blanching my potatoes with baking soda before roasting them. Does this also work with sweet potato, to get that crunchy-outside-but-fluffy-center feel?

My chef buddy told me the secret to crispy taters is to soak your starches in water overnight, dry the outside, and toss with cornstarch. Then freeze them. That way the oven heat can seal the outside before the moisture inside starts cooking.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Cyber Sandwich posted:

My chef buddy told me the secret to crispy taters is to soak your starches in water overnight, dry the outside, and toss with cornstarch. Then freeze them. That way the oven heat can seal the outside before the moisture inside starts cooking.

:aaaaa:

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I see the use of freezing the potatoes before the cooking. I remember reading how to make homemade McDonald's french fries and by god the freezing before its second fry does help make them incredibly crispy.

mod saas
May 4, 2004

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So, preemptive apology that this question is right at the edge of this thread’s boundaries:

I’ve been making vegan black beans for a little over a year now, trying different variants of prep methods, seasonings, vegetables, etc. What I’ve had to come to terms with is that they still don’t taste as “well rounded” as beans that include a little bacon etc. I briefly tried MSG to increase the umaminess, and it didn’t work; also left a weird taste. I tried a batch with some olive oil and couldn’t tell a difference—maybe I didn’t use enough?

My question is, are there recommended substitutes for animal fats? I found a product called “Magic Vegan Bacon Grease” (or just “Vegan Magic”) that seemed like it might be what I’m looking for, but by all appearances it fell off the face of the earth in spring of 2019.

gay for gacha
Dec 22, 2006

mod saas posted:

So, preemptive apology that this question is right at the edge of this thread’s boundaries:

I’ve been making vegan black beans for a little over a year now, trying different variants of prep methods, seasonings, vegetables, etc. What I’ve had to come to terms with is that they still don’t taste as “well rounded” as beans that include a little bacon etc. I briefly tried MSG to increase the umaminess, and it didn’t work; also left a weird taste. I tried a batch with some olive oil and couldn’t tell a difference—maybe I didn’t use enough?

My question is, are there recommended substitutes for animal fats? I found a product called “Magic Vegan Bacon Grease” (or just “Vegan Magic”) that seemed like it might be what I’m looking for, but by all appearances it fell off the face of the earth in spring of 2019.

I think it's hard because there is no vegan replacement for the taste of ham. But I never liked ham in beans even before I was vegan. I would try to find a Vegan pork l
Or beef broth at a local Asian grocer and add a dash of liquid smoke. Sometimes Asian grocers have bullion cubes that are labeled beef or pork but are actually totally Vegan you just have to look.

is that good
Apr 14, 2012
For vegan baked beans I try to use a combination of oil, msg (or msg-providing components), and (liquid) smoke. If you have soy sauce or vegan fish sauce that might taste more rounded to you than powdered msg. You may also need to use more oil than you expect; I just used a neutral oil, but something that's solid at room temperature might be worth trying.

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Is it worth it to buy a nice Dutch oven for vegan cuisine or is it only worth it for meat? (I already have an instant pot)

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Your Instant Pot can do multiple things compared to a classic Dutch oven. The only advantage a Dutch oven has is if it's larger.

Or if you get the camping version with the feet & the flat top cover to put coals on.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Allstone posted:

For vegan baked beans I try to use a combination of oil, msg (or msg-providing components), and (liquid) smoke. If you have soy sauce or vegan fish sauce that might taste more rounded to you than powdered msg. You may also need to use more oil than you expect; I just used a neutral oil, but something that's solid at room temperature might be worth trying.

Tamari and vegan worcestershire also work if you don't have soy sauce.

Animal fat is just fat so anything like oil, shortening, and margarine will work.

Here's the recipe I generally use for my beans, it was originally for pinto but it makes some decent black ones as well.

quote:

1 tbsp olive oil

1 onion, chopped

2 garlic cloves, peeled and minced

2 cups (500 mL) dried pinto beans

6 cups (1 ½ L) water

1 tsp dried oregano, preferably Mexican

2 tsp sea salt

In a frying pan on medium, heat oil. Sauté onions and garlic for about 5 minutes. Transfer onion mixture, along with beans, water, and oregano to a slow cooker. Cook beans on high heat for 4–6 hours or on low for 6–9 hours, or until skins are soft and insides are creamy. When beans are almost done, add salt and allow to continue to cook for at least 20 minutes to allow beans to absorb salt.

Serve beans whole, in their stock. When beans are served straight from the pot, they are called de olla. We often eat our beans this way, either serving up a big bowl for dinner or in small bowls to accompany a meal. Alternately, you can gently mash the beans in the pot until they are creamy and still soupy. (This was Luz’s grandmother’s preferred method.) To achieve a paste-like consistency, many cooks fry their beans in oil. Instead, we transfer beans to a dry frying pan on medium heat to mash them and allow them to reduce.
e: didn't actually post recipe

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


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I made some mushroom powder a little while ago and a dash of it is a really nice umami kick in soups and stuff. I've also been using crisped up mushrooms as a topping for all sorts of salad lately so I guess it might be worth trying something mushroomy for your bean problem?

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

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xtal posted:

Is it worth it to buy a nice Dutch oven for vegan cuisine or is it only worth it for meat? (I already have an instant pot)
You can bake bread, deep fry, and reduce things for a long time very slowly in the oven (like tomato sauce), which you can't do with an Instant Pot. I use a dutch oven a lot even while owning a pressure cooker (not an Instant Pot but same sort of deal).

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May 13, 2007

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xtal posted:

Is it worth it to buy a nice Dutch oven for vegan cuisine or is it only worth it for meat? (I already have an instant pot)

Dutch oven will probably be worth it for any vegan baking you might want to do, especially yeast bread.

Afriscipio
Jun 3, 2013

Any recommendations for a tofu substitute? The wife reacts badly to soy and I want more body to the vegan Asian dishes I'm making.

retpocileh
Oct 15, 2003

Afriscipio posted:

Any recommendations for a tofu substitute? The wife reacts badly to soy and I want more body to the vegan Asian dishes I'm making.

Seitan is by far my favorite meaty protein. It's got about the same texture as chicken, and it's made from gluten so it's soy free. Should work nicely in a bunch of asian dishes.

You can buy it pre made, most grocery stores I've seen have a few varieties of it in the same section you'd find tofu/vegan products, but it's also pretty easy to make at home.

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

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Afriscipio posted:

Any recommendations for a tofu substitute? The wife reacts badly to soy and I want more body to the vegan Asian dishes I'm making.
What are you cooking? "Asia" covers the majority of the world's population and hundreds upon hundreds of cuisines.

crazyvanman
Dec 31, 2010

mod saas posted:

So, preemptive apology that this question is right at the edge of this thread’s boundaries:

I’ve been making vegan black beans for a little over a year now, trying different variants of prep methods, seasonings, vegetables, etc. What I’ve had to come to terms with is that they still don’t taste as “well rounded” as beans that include a little bacon etc. I briefly tried MSG to increase the umaminess, and it didn’t work; also left a weird taste. I tried a batch with some olive oil and couldn’t tell a difference—maybe I didn’t use enough?

My question is, are there recommended substitutes for animal fats? I found a product called “Magic Vegan Bacon Grease” (or just “Vegan Magic”) that seemed like it might be what I’m looking for, but by all appearances it fell off the face of the earth in spring of 2019.

I think you know the threads answer to that question! That trying to recreate dishes that use animal products without using animal products is a) doomed to (at least partial) failure but more importantly b) to miss the point entirely!

It's like when I was younger and trying to 'do Indian cooking', getting frustrated by the fact that it didn't taste like the oily, salty delicious mess that we get from takeaways here in the UK. As I got older, thanks partly to this thread, I realised that the stuff I was cooking was not supposed to taste like that, so I should stop trying. Turns out I can just make stuff that tastes good for its own sake rather than trying to recreate something directly.

Having said all of that, as people have said a lot of the appeal of eating dead pigs is that fat and salt content.

Afriscipio
Jun 3, 2013

TychoCelchuuu posted:

What are you cooking? "Asia" covers the majority of the world's population and hundreds upon hundreds of cuisines.

Mostly Japanese-style dishes. Definitely not authentic stuff as I can't get the ingredients where I am.

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

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What sort? Japan uses tofu for like a million different things.

Notahippie
Feb 4, 2003

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mod saas posted:

So, preemptive apology that this question is right at the edge of this thread’s boundaries:

I’ve been making vegan black beans for a little over a year now, trying different variants of prep methods, seasonings, vegetables, etc. What I’ve had to come to terms with is that they still don’t taste as “well rounded” as beans that include a little bacon etc. I briefly tried MSG to increase the umaminess, and it didn’t work; also left a weird taste. I tried a batch with some olive oil and couldn’t tell a difference—maybe I didn’t use enough?

My question is, are there recommended substitutes for animal fats? I found a product called “Magic Vegan Bacon Grease” (or just “Vegan Magic”) that seemed like it might be what I’m looking for, but by all appearances it fell off the face of the earth in spring of 2019.

As others have said, you're missing mostly fat and some salt/umami, so things that really ramp up the fat will go a long way. Genuinely caramelized onions - cooked 40+ minutes in a lot of oil or vegan butter at a low-medium heat - are my go-to for rich beans or greens. Olive oil by itself isn't flavorful enough IMO, but maybe a combination of more than you previously used with additional seasoning would be a solution too. I think people under-appreciate quite how much fat is in animal products.

I also love dashi made from kombu and mushrooms for adding depth to saucy food, but haven't tried it for beans.

Havana Affair
Apr 6, 2009
If I'm cooking something "meaty" adding some smoke flavor usually enhances the meatiness. I dunno if it's some memory from eating smoked meat that triggers or what. I use smoked paprika or a few drops of liquid smoke.

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Miso usually hits the spot for me, other fermented bean products (gochujang is amazing in everything) are also a great choice for adding savoury deliciousness to almost everything. It will not taste exactly like pork, however, because it isn't - it will be a new wonderful taste!

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

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Lot of people need black beans in their life it looks like.

Afriscipio
Jun 3, 2013

TychoCelchuuu posted:

What sort? Japan uses tofu for like a million different things.

Firmer tofu, I suppose. I really hadn't thought too much about what tofu I was looking to replace, it was more of a general question. Thanks for being so thorough, you're putting more thought into the question than I did.

spatula
Nov 6, 2004
I saw this tiktok of someone making tofu from chickpeas and I thought it looked really good - https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJcUT49w/

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

I think that’s usually called Burmese tofu if you wanted to look up more (the guy in the video could have called it that but I watched without sound). I’ve never had it so I can’t say what it tastes like.

Not really tofu at all since it’s not coagulated, but that’s what it’s called for some reason.

crazyvanman
Dec 31, 2010

spatula posted:

I saw this tiktok of someone making tofu from chickpeas and I thought it looked really good - https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJcUT49w/

In the interest of eating locally where possible, I'd be really interested in what is required of a bean/pea to be made into tofu. What aspect of its beanicity is it that makes it suitable?
It's now possible to get UK-grown soya beans and their derivatives but if I could make tofu out of beans I can grow more easily I would be :allears:

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
From my research, chickpeas and peanuts are the two things you can make "tofu" out of if you're vegan and don't eat soy

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Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

crazyvanman posted:

In the interest of eating locally where possible, I'd be really interested in what is required of a bean/pea to be made into tofu. What aspect of its beanicity is it that makes it suitable?
It's now possible to get UK-grown soya beans and their derivatives but if I could make tofu out of beans I can grow more easily I would be :allears:

I looked this up briefly. It appears that the process is not totally understood at this point. I found one 2017 article (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.foodhyd.2016.07.022 but I get a paywall) where the abstract says "Sugars, alcohols, or salts, when added to food, affects the heat denaturation of proteins and the sol-gel transition of macromolecules. Such an effect of cosolvents has long been known and exploited; yet understanding how they work at a molecular level has been a matter of scientific debate for decades, because of the lack of a definitive theory which can provide a microscopic explanation."

An article (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323676422_Tofu_technological_and_nutritional_potential) in an Indian food industry magazine briefly reviews a few theories of tofu formation. My reading is that it's an interaction between the coagulant, the protein and lipid content in soy, and some other structural components in soy that allows coagulation and formation of tofu. So it's probably a combination of the specific proteins in soy being easy to make into tofu and the fat content being just right for formation of a good end-product. Soy has a few different proteins that coagulate at different rates so maybe other beans don't have similar properties.

Apparently peanuts can be somehow coagulated like tofu, which seems to indicate that the fat content is fairly important. Soybeans actually contain a decent amount of fat along with protein, they have about a 2:1 protein:fat ratio. Chickpeas have a little less fat at about a 3:1 ratio and common beans (pinto, black beans, navy beans, etc) have an even lower content more like 20:1.

IMO you should look into tempeh. It's not really like tofu, but it's a processed bean product that you can fry up and it's pretty delicious. Traditionally made with soy, but other beans work well as far as I know. For tempeh you're fermenting beans with a specific mold that binds the beans together forming a cohesive brick. Then you can cook/fry/whatever. So you could use common beans or other beans that you can grow in the UK without much issue. The only difficulty is you have to ferment it fairly warm.

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