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I'm sure Facebook and Twitter are terrified of being subject to our legendarily strict newspaper regulations.
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A shame Menshn is no longer around, this could have been their moment hoho
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Tarnop posted:I'm sure Facebook and Twitter are terrified of being subject to our legendarily strict newspaper regulations. The difference is that some parts of the internet are left wing.
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namesake posted:The difference is that some parts of the internet are left wing. Our beloved Private Tech Corporations are apparently the good guys now though, and we're all just so grateful for their wise censorship. Some parts of the internet are left wing for now mate but just give them a few years, "Not denouncing the Corbyn regime is spreading antisemitism" "Unionised workplaces discriminate against undocumented people" "Mandatory maternity leave hurts women that choose to work" "Gentrification? these black and brown capitalists are ending that slur" If you don't think a potential actual threat to capital interests won't be treated much more harshly than the nazi larpers were then you're just silly. This wierd justification for authoritarianism will gently caress lefties over and the libs will be insufferable false-morality cunts about it too.
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Oh looky here it's time for the  First General Meeting of the UKMT Solidarity Fund The "meeting" will take place both here in the thread and in the #ukmt-solidarity-fund channel of the UKGoons Discord over the next 24 hours. There are two items on the agenda. In summary, what we need from you is: - a vote - Aye or Nay on Resolution 1, below; - your thoughts on how these general meetings should be conducted in the future. For this one I went with: 1 week's notice; 24 hour duration; thread and Discord both valid venues, but voting must take place in the thread. Is that stupid? You tell me. Preferably after reading the rest of this post. Item 1: Urgent amendment to the Constitution: Paradoxically, in order to amend our Constitution in any way, we first need to amend our Constitution. This is because the current wording unintentionally demands a two thirds or simple majority of the entire membership (not just those members who participate in the vote) - a functionally impossible bar to clear, considering the membership requirement is "be a goon who reads the UKMT". Fortunately we are saved by section 280 of the Charities Act 2011, which says that irrespective of the Constitution we, the trustees, can resolve to change our own powers or the Fund's administrative procedures in the constitution, provided we get a two thirds majority of members voting in favour at a general meeting. Which this is. We're going with the smallest possible change that fixes the voting issue, as follows: Resolution 1: The Committee resolves to make the following change to the Constitution: 1) In part 1, section 6(1)(a): Amend quote:The general agreement of two thirds of UKMT members, voting in good faith, is first obtained; quote:The agreement of not less than two thirds of UKMT members who vote on the amendment at a general meeting, is first obtained; 2) In part 1, section 6(2): Amend quote:[...]any such amendment is made by resolution passed by a simple majority of UKMT members, voting in good faith. quote:[...]any such amendment is made by resolution passed by over half of UKMT members who vote on the amendment at a general meeting. We need at least a two thirds majority for this to pass. As required by the Constitution, all voting will take place here in the thread (discussion can still take place in Discord), and voting will be open for the full 24-hour duration of the meeting. Item 2: Discussion of Procedure for General Meetings We don't have a formal procedure in the Constitution for holding a general meeting, as I didn't think we really needed one due to our weird online/anonymous nature. However, the Charity Commission will likely disagree, so that's one of the things we'll need to amend before we register with them - which we must do, as our turnover has exceeded the £5000 annual limit for an unregistered charity. As a starting point, the model constitution provided by the Government has the following, but it probably needs a few changes/additions seeing as our "general meetings" will presumably take place here in the thread and/or in Discord. model constitution posted:10. General meetings
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Plinkey has run the cspam goon benevolent fund, patreon and all, for years and receives and hands out not-insignificant sums of money all the time without a Constitution - is there some reason all that business is needed to run one here?
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Maugrim posted:
How do we vote? Just say 'aye' or 'nay' in this thread? Or might you put a poll up with a link to your post? kecske posted:Plinkey has run the cspam goon benevolent fund, patreon and all, for years and receives and hands out not-insignificant sums of money all the time without a Constitution - is there some reason all that business is needed to run one here? Isn't that one US based? Might be different rules over there. VVV what Ms A said. I think a separate thread would be good. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Maugrim posted:Oh looky here it's time for the I vote Aye on Resolution 1. What I'm going to say is coming from a place of personal ignorance so it's entirely possible (even probable) these things have already been addressed. That said; I think that the general ideas behind how to hold a general meeting given the online nature of the charity make sense. It may be worth checking that there is nothing in law about what actually constitutes a 'meeting' or 'annual meeting' or the like - I'm thinking in case there are any odd conditions like "Must be completed on the same date as begun" or the like? (Or worse that there are in fact some kind of regulations that make demands of personal proximity etc though I assume those would have been encountered by this point by the trustees and those aiding them). I also wonder, and this is more adminstrative-functional than legal, if assuming the mods agree it might be better to create a thread specifically for the UKMTSF which is solely for the business in question. That would have obvious advantages of readability, as well as making it easier to collate relevant discussions in a single location rather than spread across multiple, growing numbers of general UKMT threads. The obvious disadvantage, meanwhile, is that people may be reluctant to go and attend to another thread rather than one they read regularly, and this may risk reducing participation/attendance/etc. That said even if that were done I would suspect the best way to proceed would be to still make a post in the UKMT about upcoming/ongoing matters, and either duplicating monthly reports here or posting a link to them.
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kecske posted:Plinkey has run the cspam goon benevolent fund, patreon and all, for years and receives and hands out not-insignificant sums of money all the time without a Constitution - is there some reason all that business is needed to run one here? Do the live in the UK and do it using a UK bank account? If so they're opening themselves up to some pain if they get audited I also vote Aye on Resolution 1.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Isn't that one US based? Might be different rules over there. yeah and also they have something called a 501 3 C which marks them as a charitable nonprofit organisation, which I assume covers the bases and stops the fraud squad knocking on the door
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kecske posted:they have something called a 501 3 C which marks them as a charitable nonprofit organisation, which I assume covers the bases Yeah, that's a US thing. This has to comply to UK charity laws because well, it's managed in the UK.
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kecske posted:Plinkey has run the cspam goon benevolent fund, patreon and all, for years and receives and hands out not-insignificant sums of money all the time without a Constitution - is there some reason all that business is needed to run one here? I didn't know that existed so I'm not sure how it operates exactly, but I presume Patreon takes a cut of donations/they aren't charitable donations? We're set up as a charity (well, currently an unincorporated association with charitable purpose) and that requires a constitution. e: aha, fair enough
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Amazon / Parler chat: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-parler-aws quote:Amazon notified Parler that it would be cutting off the social network favored by conservatives and extremists from its cloud hosting service Amazon Web Services, according to an email obtained by BuzzFeed News. The suspension, which will go into effect on Sunday just before midnight, means that Parler will be unable to operate and will go offline unless it can find another hosting service. Some scary posts shown, also:   Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Jan 11, 2021 01:40
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Well who could have foreseen this.
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Maugrim posted:Oh looky here it's time for the I also don't really see any problem with the AGM or any SGM if necessary being "held" in the regular UKMT. Especially if you want to ensure the widest possible participation. But ultimately it's you Maugrim & a handful of others who are doing the hard work so if a separate thread is easier to track votes & discussion or whatever, that's really fine.
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forkboy84 posted:I will Aye on Item 1 Agree with all of this Aye on item 1
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Ms Adequate posted:I also wonder, and this is more adminstrative-functional than legal, if assuming the mods agree it might be better to create a thread specifically for the UKMTSF which is solely for the business in question. That would have obvious advantages of readability, as well as making it easier to collate relevant discussions in a single location rather than spread across multiple, growing numbers of general UKMT threads. The obvious disadvantage, meanwhile, is that people may be reluctant to go and attend to another thread rather than one they read regularly, and this may risk reducing participation/attendance/etc. That said even if that were done I would suspect the best way to proceed would be to still make a post in the UKMT about upcoming/ongoing matters, and either duplicating monthly reports here or posting a link to them. Yeah, this has also been suggested internally within the committee. There would need to be a good deal of crossposting, as you say, but it would make a lot of sense. I don't think the lower visibility is necessarily a dealbreaker as long as all meeting announcements etc were posted here with a link to the other thread that people could follow.
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Aye on Item 1 I don't really have a preference between holding meetings in here or somewhere else, I guess if it is a very busy news day or we're having an argument it might be suboptimal but on the other hand it is where more people will see it. Up to you, really.
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Aye on No. 1 I think 'meetings' / discussions would be best in a separate thread. If we get a 3 day derail like just happened people might just switch off for 3 days and not see posts.
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This is a good thing, it means more fish will be available to are grate BRITISH chippies!! What do you mean there are other fish besides cod
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yeah i think i'd prefer it not clogging up the thread if you can move it elsewhere or offsite? that's my preference anyway
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Jan 11, 2021 02:06
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The Judean People's Front voting "aye" on a procedural name change to the People's Front of Judea or crisp flavour debates. Hard to know which is best...
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Jan 11, 2021 02:35
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Aye on item 1. I'm fine with it in the thread.
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Jan 11, 2021 02:43
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Josef bugman posted:Which piece was that? I can't be bothered to find the exact one but it was about how the past year wasn't actually bad and personal growth something something.
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Jan 11, 2021 05:14
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Aye on Item 1. In-thread is OK but feels like it might be more work to tally votes.
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Voting Aye on resolution 1
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Aye to resolution 1.
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Maugrim posted:Oh looky here it's time for the I will Aye on Item 1 Think the general ideas about another thread that can be linked to as needed, to make sure it has good visibility and then have the bulk talk there, should work.
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Voting aye on item 1 Keeping it in thread is probably fine, this place rarely moves so fast that things will get lost, and it's good to keep tied to the UKMT roots.
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Aye on 1 Also, I think a separate thread for meetings or votes would be more likely to be missed..
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Aye on item 1 Not that I think I'm here enough for my vote to count for much, but I don't want not saying it to count against either
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quote:Mr Shapps admitted it had been a "quieter start to the year" but said this was on account of stockpiling ahead of a possible no-deal. He said "less than 1 per cent of vehicles" were turning up without paperwork. Love to stockpile fresh fish for the year
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Isomermaid posted:Aye on item 1 I think that's what the amendment is meant to fix, fortunately. Aye on item 1. I think it's best to keep in the thread as well - it's the UKMT fund after all.
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Aye on 1 but yeah, keep UKMT solidarity fund updates in UKMT.
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Nay on resolution 1. What's to stop just a few people turning up and voting on something to pass it with the required majority at an opportune time. There should be a minimum number of votes required for any constitutional changes.
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Thanks everyone! We have more than enough votes for a quorum now, although as we're operating this particular vote under section 280 of the charities act rather than the constitution, the quorum requirement may not even apply (it's a bit unclear). Regardless we're good to pass Resolution 1 at the end of the day unless we get a sudden influx of nay votes (lol). Another consideration for meetings - there may be quite a bit of business forthcoming as we whip the constitution into better shape, and as a few people have pointed out, not everyone necessarily cares about the mundane business of the Fund - particularly lurkers or people dropping in from elsewhere / for the first time. It's an awesome community project but, y'know, I don't necessarily want to attend every meeting of every company I might hypothetically (tugs collar) own shares in. I'd consider posting a meeting announcements in here as equivalent to getting a mailout "your invitation to our AGM", and going to the other thread as equivalent of actually making the effort to go to the meeting. My take anyway. 
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