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watch out everyone permanbanned poster Seraph84 has just threatened to give Papi $500,000 in Plex from his bitcoins. This could be the casino war all over again  TheLaundryGoon posted:Hypothetically, what would happen to goonfleet if I were to drop like 500k into the accounts of the anti-goon alliance? TheLaundryGoon posted:So you're saying a better strategy is a $200k cash injection + $300k spent recruiting and training new pilots.
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andromache posted:Educating pilots on how pyfa can inject fits into their pilot, and multibuy... listing ships on contract is wasteful. 
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RFC2324 posted:Even that sucks in a game where manual piloting is an obviously tacked on afterthought. 'Ol' Squint-eyed RFC', they called him lad.
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man i'm so glad that during the fireside Q/A we have to TYPE the question into elysium instead of asking verbally, hearing all these clueless brave people stumble over asking a basic question in 5 times the amount of time someone who the information actually impacts could ask it fills me with immense second hand embarrassment.
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Rutibex posted:watch out everyone permanbanned poster Seraph84 has just threatened to give Papi $500,000 in Plex from his bitcoins. This could be the casino war all over again Assuming this isn't just an empty boast, it's really sad that buttcoins made people like this rich.
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Dik Hz posted:As someone who recently returned to the game, can you please Eve University's Wiki looks a little out of date on this topic, but it's still relevant: https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/PYFA Check out the Importing / Exporting Fits Section at the bottom of the page. For using MultiBuy, you go to Fit -> To Clipboard and then select the MultiBuy option to copy that format to your clipboard. Then in Eve, open the Market, choose MultiBuy, and in the top left hand corner you have a button to import from your clipboard. You an also skip a few steps by having PYFA push directly to your character via ESI, but copy/paste is usually fast enough so I don't bother with it.
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andromache posted:To be correct, the production wasn’t ever “nationalized.” We just purchased in bulk from a handful of imperium producers capable of delivering 50+ hulls at once. Additionally, a non-trivial number of hulls were straight bought off the 1dq1 market if the price was reasonable. We combined that with locally produced modules (often bought in bulk off the 1dq1 market) and gave a fully fit ship back to the pilot at the cost of the net platinum insurance (typically 50mil for a hac). While we have you... For us small timers, is it better to list small batches of whatever we make or is it better to "stockpile" the item some then list?
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Super.Jesus posted:Assuming this isn't just an empty boast, it's really sad that buttcoins made people like this rich. He doesnt have 500k just to give away. Its okay. He is just mentally ill.
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andromache posted:To be correct, the production wasn’t ever “nationalized.” We just purchased in bulk from a handful of imperium producers capable of delivering 50+ hulls at once. Additionally, a non-trivial number of hulls were straight bought off the 1dq1 market if the price was reasonable. We combined that with locally produced modules (often bought in bulk off the 1dq1 market) and gave a fully fit ship back to the pilot at the cost of the net platinum insurance (typically 50mil for a hac). Were there ever any actual adverts/attempts to recruit regular line members into this GSHIP thing? I think it seemed to an outsider that the bar to clear to become one of the "handful" was knowing the right people and getting looped in rather than any real constraint on ship production. I'm still fairly new to goons and don't know tons of people yet, but just in my peer group there were 3-4 of us who could have trivially cranked out 100-300 T2 hulls at a time but weren't ever given any sort of path to becoming involved. I was certainly never upset about it and don't really care as T2 production isn't my main income source and am fine with the leadership doing whatever it thinks is best to win, but it definitely felt like a "people who know people get to be involved, we don't have the time/bandwidth to involve more than that" thing.
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War Eagle posted:My assumption is that they are using the Abyssal Deadspace stuff as a means to work out the bugs for shooting PvEers off to another instance for their PvEing. Once that's completely done and they're confident in the technology, then they'll start changing normal ratting to be something similar. this sounds like you've never done abyssal deadspace. and you cannot bot it, it's entirely its own animal. nothing from abyssal deadspace has any implications for normal PVE except that holy poo poo this company can actually design some competent rat AIs when they loving want to.
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Solus posted:https://soundcloud.com/cruftbox/brave-alliance-meeting-jan-10th-2021 The secret sqad has been dunking on them in Querious pretty hard I have made my own minor contributions from time to time, I know those Brave guys by name now Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Baculus posted:this sounds like you've never done abyssal deadspace. and you cannot bot it, it's entirely its own animal. Yes, I explicitly state that I have not done Abyssal Deadspace, just that I have heard it is not bottable. The point is I assume they'll take normal PvE in that direction now that they've ironed out the bugs through Abyssal Deadspace stuff. Edit: Ok, I didn't explicitly state I hadn't done Abyssal Deadspace, I just implied it. War Eagle fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Baculus posted:
The not 100% stupid AI is used outside of abyssal too now. The rats in event sites for example would warp to perch then back on you if you were too far away. I learned that in a Paladin. I also learned they had actual scrams.
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Jan 11, 2021 20:09
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ASAPI posted:While we have you... depends on what you can afford stockpiling can work but i like to have 4b for t2 build cycles and at least 3b liquid for impulse purchases that i shouldnt be tempted by 
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War Eagle posted:I just meant manually piloting to the out gate after you were done with the rats, not full on making people manually pilot everywhere.
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Vilgan posted:Were there ever any actual adverts/attempts to recruit regular line members into this GSHIP thing? We had to balance production ability versus security. When we stood up GSHIP, we were producing some innovations (windrunner feroxes, supertrains, praxis smartbomb fleets, ravens) that might show up weeks or months after we'd actually procured all the hulls and modules for whatever devious contingency we had come up with. Like our leadership teams had a bunch of 3D chess on "if enemy does x, we do y, they do z, we counter with a" and the likelihood of those events occurring AT SOME POINT was high enough we had the doctrines purchased and in cans ready to deploy to the where and when. So originally GSHIP was like ranger, ratknight, me, faud, and we pulled in wibla and kun'mi. Then we asked wibla and kun'mi "what industrialists do you know that can ramp up capacity and can keep their loving mouth shut?" We pulled in those people, then asked them for people THEY knew, and pulled those in. That's about as big as we grew the circle. So if you spent your time antagonizing wibla and kun'mi, or you were well known (or just unknown) for being unable to keep your dick trap shut, you weren't in. This was *supposed* to be alleviated by a GARPA webapp that I'd given requirements to boris's minions back in like... loving august... that was basically going to be an auction board where we could list modules/ships/materials the alliance needed and interested parties could bid on, secure, and deliver on those contracts. But like most GARPA projects, the dev assigned "got busy" (my jaded eyes read "Cyberpunk2077" right there) so it never got resolved. In any case we stopped fitted replacement, so point is moot. TLDR is I know we missed industrialists, I felt somewhat bad about it at the time, but security concerns were more important. We commissioned an app to address that issue, it was never delivered, so you can take out any ill feelings you have on Boris Agnon. :P
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andromache posted:Educating pilots on how pyfa can inject fits into their pilot, and multibuy... listing ships on contract is wasteful. I can often source a doctrine ship via multibuy 20-50mil cheaper than anything on contract. It’s a tax for the lazy and/or stupid. Completely agree that Imperium pilots should be educated to keep their personal fittings windows regularly updated with the doctrine fits from GSF forums and utilize it as the source for when kitting out their space sloops. This together with using the Multibuy feature off the 1DQ market will benefit not only the pilot in purchasing the cheapest array of components, but also the individual market sellers that sell in smaller quantities. I've personally never bought a doctrine ship off a contract in the past for fear of the fit being outdated for the op. Furthermore putting doctrine ships on contracts in 1DQ should be banned as the majority of them are just wasted by opportunistic cockroaches draining the local market of hulls and components en masse looking to make a buck with their misfit contracts. andromache posted:In any case the alliance isn’t procuring more doctrine hulls for fitted ship replacement. We are putting GSHIP resources on dictor/hictor production as well as a few other devious projects we have in the works. Those guys have limited bandwidth and fitted ship replacement isn’t as high of a priority with the opening up of Helm’s Deep and restarting production. This is great news as the Eris is a roomy probing dictor that is able to scan down and bubble whatever they've landed on before melting them with a full rack of blasters. Currently having only four available on the market at 20mil higher price than the Sabre is haram.
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ASAPI posted:While we have you... For small timers who are essentially just taking the "market rate" for their goods, it's almost always better to immediately list the item. The isk you make from selling those goods can be invested into making more goods, so on and so forth. The analogy here is the snowball rolling down a hill, gathering more mass as it rolls. This philosophy scales up to a point... that point being maximizing your current production slots (and being unwilling/unable to get more) or maximization of your available time. At that point (and only at that point) it makes sense to start a stockpile. The stockpile really just sits there until the likely event of Dave Archer loving welping an entire cerb fleet into something stupid (like warping onto the enemy at 0), while a massive fight is on-going and people are frantically pinging for more cerbs. Then you can be the hero and list your stockpile at a somewhat higher than normal markup to save the day and recover the potential isk you lost while your stockpile did nothing for you on the isk generation side. On a longer time horizon, one should be aware that 1) looks like we are going to win this loving war and 2) CCP has indicated it will end scarcity sometime this year. Both of those events should lead to more plentiful materials and therefore lower material prices. So I would not accumulate massive stockpiles of finished goods on the assumption that at some point this year those goods are going to be worth less than they are right now. The players who will make the most isk are the ones who go full throttle up until the point it's time to pump brakes and come to a complete stop before scarcity ends. How much warning CCP gives us on that is anyone's guess. Probably more than you wanted to know, but it's what you should consider when you start accumulating more isk from industry and trying to figure out what to do with it. That's why I threw 50bil at the alliance for warbonds. Then it's not my problem, I just get my dividend. 
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andromache posted:We had to balance production ability versus security. When we stood up GSHIP, we were producing some innovations (windrunner feroxes, supertrains, praxis smartbomb fleets, ravens) that might show up weeks or months after we'd actually procured all the hulls and modules for whatever devious contingency we had come up with. Like our leadership teams had a bunch of 3D chess on "if enemy does x, we do y, they do z, we counter with a" and the likelihood of those events occurring AT SOME POINT was high enough we had the doctrines purchased and in cans ready to deploy to the where and when. Wait... Hold on... You wanted to turn the MIC of goons to work like the the USA procurement system with a webpage? You do realize that this won't work until you create a goon congress with a representative that I can bribe to get my contract, right? Other wise, really smart idea. While we are on this topic, is there an industrial sig I should be looking for?
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ASAPI posted:Wait... Hold on... There isn't. GS_ISK jabber is the closest we have to it right now. That may change in the future now that Kazanir and Nodrakish have kind of taken the reins of our finance team and revitalized that org, but for the moment gs_isk is where most of that business occurs and/or gets pinged to.
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ASAPI posted:Wait... Hold on... So real world I work in the IT department of a large oil and gas company, and I support their production operations. That includes logistics. Not just the logistics of moving oil and gas to market, but the logistics of moving fresh water, produced water, hydraulic fracturing materials etc. Anyway, that part of the business I support led to me being in a meeting where JB Hunt demo'd their logistics dashboard for independent contractors. Basically they'd list a hauling job they had, list when it needed to be delivered, a starting auction price, a haul now lowball price, and a timer end date. Independent contractors could then bid down against each other to do the haul (or say gently caress it and grab the haul now price). That's the core of the app. I also stole a lot of poo poo from uber and lyft on rating industrialists for delivering the quantity they were contracted for on time and at the price they agreed to. You could apply some gamification that as you reliably delivered enough contracts you could start seeing bigger and more important contracts, and that if you failed delivery on enough stuff you were blocked from getting more. This piece wasn't core functionality, but more of a way to admin the users of the app... without having to admin the users of the app. Oh i'm sorry... you are only rated 2.1 of 5 stars for reliability... you only get to bid on warrior IIs, etc.
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andromache posted:So real world I work in the IT department of a large oil and gas company, and I support their production operations. That includes logistics. Not just the logistics of moving oil and gas to market, but the logistics of moving fresh water, produced water, hydraulic fracturing materials etc. Anyway, that part of the business I support led to me being in a meeting where JB Hunt demo'd their logistics dashboard for independent contractors. this is incredibly good poo poo especially considering how it empowers industrialists. diversion is a thing. we aren't all d-name posters buying t2 components on the open market to make cerbs.
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Jintozook81 posted:Anyone know why TEST is suddenly killing FRT pilots? my oldest friend just joined goons and we went on a roam last night and saw test and frt shooting each other. I would like to know more.
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Jintozook81 posted:Anyone know why TEST is suddenly killing FRT pilots? I don't know why they are doing it right now, but the last war TEST was in was against FRT, so suffice it to say that their relationship was/is tenuous at best. It would not surprise me if TEST used FRT as a scapegoat to exit the war, e.g.
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Baculus posted:this is incredibly good poo poo especially considering how it empowers industrialists. diversion is a thing. I didnt buy straight off market. I put up buy orders because im a bad poster not an id.. okay im not that kind of idiot. Also im poor and can only afford to make 4 at a time atm.
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Stereotype posted:the goose always said that outside of delve they attack each other because their coalition is awful but then why did that guy who flies with squishy get kicked from horde for killing a test blops
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:It would not surprise me if TEST used FRT as a scapegoat to exit the war, e.g. I'm sure that will work out well for them. They should totally do that
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Dalael posted:I didnt buy straight off market. I put up buy orders because im a bad poster not an id.. okay im not that kind of idiot. have you looked into making the t2 components from refined moon goo? that's probably my only blind spot as far as margins on t2 ship production rn
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vulvamancer posted:The plates aren't really doing much for you here. If you knew about this mission ahead of time I would go max istabs in the low slots along with one warp core stab so you will warp asap and one point can't stop you. ECM burst is a good idea. The ECM, I don't know, I'd probably just load up the other mids with tank just so you can survive a small bit of alpha as you warp off. Yeah I just had that ship nearby, I didn't realize I had already scavenged some of the lows off of it. I thought the ECM would help with the burst, but I'm not sure it did since I never could break the lock from the interceptor that grabbed me. I was SO CLOSE, like at 50% velocity, when he snagged me. I would have had it if I had the inertials on there still  Oh well next time Also it was only 500m3 so I could have grabbed it with a cruiser.
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Baculus posted:have you looked into making the t2 components from refined moon goo? that's probably my only blind spot as far as margins on t2 ship production rn Not yet. Right now i'm still trying to figure out how much work t2 prod is and what i can do with my meager ressource. If i understand correctly, moon goo requires reaction and other things which seem to be a whole higher level and require investment i most likely cant afford. Once i get more used to doing production, i might look more into it.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:but then why did that guy who flies with squishy get kicked from horde for killing a test blops Well because that marshal was expensive and the guy who they killed was ~important~ Like I said, their coalition is awful.
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So is the whole Helm's Deep idea depreciated? Seems like there were lots of bads in E3 earlier.
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Dalael posted:Not yet. Right now i'm still trying to figure out how much work t2 prod is and what i can do with my meager ressource. No one really buys t2 components, if you're going to be doing t2 production, a lot of your margin comes from not needing to buy the components and pay fees each step of the way.
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Rudeboy Detective posted:So is the whole Helm's Deep idea depreciated? We stopped doing the E3 hellcamp to focus on the M2- hellcamp and predictably that meant a ton of bads streamed into helms deep. The bads have also have gotten pretty adept at just doing blops drops everywhere so it sort of stopped being as useful. Basically since the enemy supercap fleet is now incapacitated our strategic objectives are now being accomplished much more successfully but the day-to-day living situation has sort of deteriorated as we regoonquista everything.
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Dalael posted:Not yet. Right now i'm still trying to figure out how much work t2 prod is and what i can do with my meager ressource. Don't worry about doing reactions, but you absolutely need to do components. You should focus on a specific race's ships and modules at first since each one has a different set of components and the BPOs for them aren't cheap and you should really get them to 10ME. The reactions process goes: moon goo -> intermediates -> composites, and then the composites are what you use to build components. Once you get a handle on building components you can start reacting the composites from the intermediates, and then once you get a handle on that you can just do everything straight from goo. Each additional layer adds fractionally less to your margin since all the prices are currently fluctuating a lot and a lot of the big-time producers just have massive amounts of goo and intermediates stockpiled so they aren't as affected by the current market volatility. There are a bunch of reactions right now that actually are more expensive than just buying the products.
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Just logged into M2, settings in potato mode, no problem until I swing round to look below the station. My PC almost stopped due to the amount of bubbles there! So Passpi, bring your inty fleets to pop a bubble every 10 minutes, there's enough content there to last you DAYS!
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andromache posted:I also stole a lot of poo poo from uber and lyft on rating industrialists for delivering the quantity they were contracted for on time and at the price they agreed to. You could apply some gamification that as you reliably delivered enough contracts you could start seeing bigger and more important contracts, and that if you failed delivery on enough stuff you were blocked from getting more. This piece wasn't core functionality, but more of a way to admin the users of the app... without having to admin the users of the app. Oh i'm sorry... you are only rated 2.1 of 5 stars for reliability... you only get to bid on warrior IIs, etc. So do you get bonus points for being a pubbie corp leader or giant 0.001%er industrialist?
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