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China and India pretty famously have a lot of big expensive buildings and homes that stand empty as just stores of value for rich people. New York City and London have similar deals, but they try to keep more quiet about it because they're often part of money laundering schemes to take money from people that usually would be illegal. I don't really know if the rest of Europe has that, but there's probably a lot of tax shelters who would love to use real estate as an abstract store of value rather than a real asset that humans could use and benefit from.
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Jan 10, 2021 17:29
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Toplowtech posted:Belgium as a sea, as someone who grew up in the part of France where we still dig ww1 war shells out of the fields, i can see the advantage. Actually Belgium is where Gallia would be on that map. It seems like they combined the experiences of the Benelux, Finland and the Baltic states together in the same way they mashed Germany and Russia together as the Empire.
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Jan 10, 2021 17:55
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Badger of Basra posted:Why's there an empty lot next to it?
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Jan 10, 2021 17:58
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Please bear in mind a ton of these unoccupied properties in the south of Europe are actually tourism rental properties. There is also a terrible housing shortage in the same regions. People working normal jobs can not afford rent while the rental properties stay empty nine months of the year. This is a good point. I wonder in Cyprus's case how much of these types of buildings and processes are getting extra messed up by Brexit finally actually happening. Cyprus is British Florida after all.
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Jan 10, 2021 17:59
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Please bear in mind a ton of these unoccupied properties in the south of Europe are actually tourism rental properties. There is also a terrible housing shortage in the same regions. People working normal jobs can not afford rent while the rental properties stay empty nine months of the year. In Greece and Cyprus this is true of the big cities, but the majority of the half-finished houses we're talking about are located a ways away from major tourist areas, and are more often intended to be family or vacation homes. The reason they can sit unfinished for years is usually because they're located on cheaper lots of land outside of local towns.
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Jan 10, 2021 21:07
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MeinPanzer posted:In Greece and Cyprus this is true of the big cities, but the majority of the half-finished houses we're talking about are located a ways away from major tourist areas, and are more often intended to be family or vacation homes. The reason they can sit unfinished for years is usually because they're located on cheaper lots of land outside of local towns. In Cyprus where I was seeing this was near the coasts, both near cities and not, which is the tourist area in of itself all around. I didn't notice those buildings up in the mountain villages, where most foreign tourists never go (like morons because those are the actual gorgeous areas in terms of both nature and human settlements). I hope it continues like that though because the mountain villages are enhanced by the lack of British boomers.
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Jan 10, 2021 21:12
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SlothfulCobra posted:China and India pretty famously have a lot of big expensive buildings and homes that stand empty as just stores of value for rich people. New York City and London have similar deals, but they try to keep more quiet about it because they're often part of money laundering schemes to take money from people that usually would be illegal. It's the same in Paris. Maybe with more Airbnb rentals (but not anymore lol).
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Jan 10, 2021 21:17
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Grape posted:This is a good point. I wonder in Cyprus's case how much of these types of buildings and processes are getting extra messed up by Brexit finally actually happening. IIRC Cyprus is especially popular for money-laundering Russian oligarchs and some Chinese businessmen, I think Brexit is not going to affect is as much as you might think.
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Jan 10, 2021 22:18
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Pope Hilarius II posted:IIRC Cyprus is especially popular for money-laundering Russian oligarchs and some Chinese businessmen, I think Brexit is not going to affect is as much as you might think. Question, the British army bases on Cyprus are technically British soil, but the area is large enough there's Cypriot villages on them and they have some sort of cooperation for legal stuff... Are those bases now outside Schengen? Is there a provision in the Brexit deal like the one they made for Gibraltar? Or what?
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Jan 10, 2021 22:30
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Pope Hilarius II posted:IIRC Cyprus is especially popular for money-laundering Russian oligarchs and some Chinese businessmen, I think Brexit is not going to affect is as much as you might think. I'm well aware (I could even tell you which two cities are the nexus for each of those nation's focus respectively). But still British tourism and retirement is an economic big deal all the same. Of course Cypriots really don't like the British so its one of those things they might be quite happy to live with. Now if only Brexit meant somehow removing those two Guantanamo Bays...
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Jan 10, 2021 22:56
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Carbon dioxide posted:Question, the British army bases on Cyprus are technically British soil, but the area is large enough there's Cypriot villages on them and they have some sort of cooperation for legal stuff... Cyprus is not in Schengen. Anyway it falls back on a treaty that is older than Cyprus EU membership so there's no plan to build a real border there
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Jan 11, 2021 00:05
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Jan 11, 2021 01:54
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Pyromancer posted:Cyprus is not in Schengen. Anyway it falls back on a treaty that is older than Cyprus EU membership so there's no plan to build a real border there The treaty is technically older than Cyprus itself let alone EU membership, in the sense that it was part of the treaty that actually granted them independence from the UK in the first place. The bases are really cool because Britain getting into scuffles with nearby countries like Syria could potentially mean blowback hitting nearby Cypriot settlements. Such as the tiny village of Limassol right next to the Akrotiri base. And by "tiny village" I mean "second largest city on the island".
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Jan 11, 2021 02:32
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Badger of Basra posted:
I would have thought O'Hare would be classified as No Residential Allowed.
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Jan 11, 2021 02:49
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Pyromancer posted:Cyprus is not in Schengen. Huh, you're right. Apparently they started an application to get in on September 2019 and it's still under review. That's gonna be Something concerning the crossings to the Turkish side.
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Jan 11, 2021 08:27
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Molentik posted:All that while there are more than 70 MILLION m2 of buildings unused and empty, it makes me furious. I'm gonna guess they're some sort of dutch far right party. Is that geerts party?
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Jan 11, 2021 10:33
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No. VVD is the mainstream liberals (although to be fair, ideologically they have been very influenced by US libertarian thinkers, and they were Wilder's original party before he broke away, formed his own party [or well, movement, technically his party isn't a party, on account of having only 1 member: him]) CDA is the mainstream christian democrats, except they've PASOKified pretty hard about 10 years ago, and their voting base is primarily olds, so rapidly dying off. Especially with the completely bungled Covid response (by the CDA minister of health loving lol)
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Jan 11, 2021 10:38
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Getting Christian pensioners to Jesus as fast as possible is a moral good.
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Orange Devil posted:
I think this is a good moment to make note of the fact that unlike the topsy turvy US system, in Europe 'liberals' refers to the moderate-right.
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dublish posted:I would have thought O'Hare would be classified as No Residential Allowed. It almost certainly doesn't allow residential but every Planned Development is different so I guess they just went with the safe choice and put it there.
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Jan 11, 2021 17:55
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I may have been told bullshit but the unfinished houses in Cyprus thing was a tax fiddle. An extra floor that is never finished, with less or no tax paid on unfinished buildings.
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Jan 11, 2021 18:04
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Regarde Aduck posted:I may have been told bullshit but the unfinished houses in Cyprus thing was a tax fiddle. An extra floor that is never finished, with less or no tax paid on unfinished buildings. Reminds me of that dumb loophole in the Belgian law where there's a 21% VAT on new houses but 6% on renovations, so many people buy an old house, knock down everything but one tiny wall and build a new house on it for a 6% VAT because it's technically a renovation.
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All this talk about unfinished buildings and no one's yet brought up this Central Florida "landmark" that's been under construction since 2001 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majesty_Building 
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Regarde Aduck posted:I may have been told bullshit but the unfinished houses in Cyprus thing was a tax fiddle. An extra floor that is never finished, with less or no tax paid on unfinished buildings. Yeah, while a lot of them genuinely are unfinished, and are just concrete skeletons, you do also see basically finished, habitable houses that just have some telltale rebar sticking out of the roof as well. The Greeks have had a rough go of things, but they are pretty crafty when it comes to tax evasion. See also the permanently-empty “family restaurants”/“cafes” that exist in basically every tiny village. In practice they’re just an extended family room with a kitchen attached that exist for tax breaks. They’ll serve you a frappe and have some sad tyropitas or cookies available for sale but they’re always surprised when any non-resident of the village rolls in.
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Xelkelvos posted:All this talk about unfinished buildings and no one's yet brought up this Central Florida "landmark" that's been under construction since 2001  The renovations to the Brussels Palace of Justice will be done in 2040
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Carbon dioxide posted:I think this is a good moment to make note of the fact that unlike the topsy turvy US system, in Europe 'liberals' refers to the moderate-right. It refers to that in the us too, the only people who call dems left-wing are the out and proud fascists party
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 Basques are ancient Koreans. From this excellent thread I happened upon: https://twitter.com/javiercha/status/1347805405100060673?s=20
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Hermsgervørden posted:
Was this before or after the Hyperwar?
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That's a whole lot of work that the Russians did for extremely little relative return.
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Map request: Countries whose leaders are banned from Twitter.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Huh, you're right. Apparently they started an application to get in on September 2019 and it's still under review. It definitely is. The north is some kind of super weird legal purgatory in various ways. They likewise don't have access to the insta-VISA waiver program for US visits that most European/EU countries have. MeinPanzer posted:The Greeks have had a rough go of things, but they are pretty crafty when it comes to tax evasion. See also the permanently-empty “family restaurants”/“cafes” that exist in basically every tiny village. In practice they’re just an extended family room with a kitchen attached that exist for tax breaks. They’ll serve you a frappe and have some sad tyropitas or cookies available for sale but they’re always surprised when any non-resident of the village rolls in. lol I was wondering about those Like these little semi-business things that exist in teeny tiny villages that are only ever visited by relatives of the people who live in them. They're basically just bars/party patios for when the extended family does a big church service/wedding/funeral whatever. But with tax breaks? Genius lol. Grape fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Jan 12, 2021 |
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MeinPanzer posted:The Greeks have had a rough go of things, but they are pretty crafty when it comes to tax evasion. See also the permanently-empty “family restaurants”/“cafes” that exist in basically every tiny village. In practice they’re just an extended family room with a kitchen attached that exist for tax breaks. They’ll serve you a frappe and have some sad tyropitas or cookies available for sale but they’re always surprised when any non-resident of the village rolls in. Yeah I remember hearing that when the Eurozone financial crisis hit, Greece decided to audit the number of swimming pools in Athens as you had to pay a levy if you had a pool. Instead of the 300 or so pools that were registered, auditing satellite imagery found nearly 17,000 pools.
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Grape posted:lol I was wondering about those At least they're usually excited, if confused, to have randos come in and actually buy something. Thank god it's basically impossible to gently caress up making a frappe.
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Hermsgervørden posted:
I have a Korean friend from university who has got into this stuff and she just comes out with the wildest poo poo. From what I understand she now believes that Koreans are a separate species of human that emerged from inside the earth.
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