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Ineptitude: Mar 2, 2010; Heed my words and become a master of the Heart _{(of Thorns)}.

Nearing the end of studies/EC's in FE00000.

Having to use "optimal builds" is not my favorite idler mechanic. Do you have to redo all the studies once you get to the next prestige layer? (complexities?)

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GrossMurpel: Apr 8, 2011

Ineptitude posted:

Nearing the end of studies/EC's in FE00000.

Having to use "optimal builds" is not my favorite idler mechanic. Do you have to redo all the studies once you get to the next prestige layer? (complexities?)

Yes. No need to worry though, in the second complexity you only look at the guide a bit, and everything after that you don't even need to pick studies other than the strongest ones (5 6 8 9 10 12) to both unlock and complete challenges.

# ? Jan 12, 2021 13:32

Lone Goat: Apr 16, 2003; When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.

Ineptitude posted:

Nearing the end of studies/EC's in FE00000.

Having to use "optimal builds" is not my favorite idler mechanic. Do you have to redo all the studies once you get to the next prestige layer? (complexities?)

Yeah I stopped playing when I realised I was just reading the guide and doing exactly what it told me to, without thinking about or understanding what any of the mechanics did.

# ? Jan 12, 2021 15:17

explosivo: May 23, 2004; Fueled by Satan

Lone Goat posted:

Yeah I stopped playing when I realised I was just reading the guide and doing exactly what it told me to, without thinking about or understanding what any of the mechanics did.

I just broke infinity last night and am kind of coming to the same conclusion. Not sure if I really want to continue.

# ? Jan 12, 2021 15:30

Rynoto: Apr 27, 2009; It doesn't help that I'm fat as fuck, so my face shouldn't be shown off in the first place.

moush posted:

I recently started playing Evolve and while I enjoyed it at the start it has slowed down way more than I can enjoy. It seems to fall into the same problem Kittens game did except it doesn't seem like there's even offline progression.

It just today added up to 8 hours accelerated time for offline progress. Hard agree though that you either need to cheat and speed it up or use the scripting edition to automate most of the busy work.

# ? Jan 12, 2021 15:31

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

Is there an easy script to just crank the tick rate up? Having something to run that just maxes out everything for me isn't really the same.

# ? Jan 12, 2021 15:55

Nibble: Dec 28, 2003; if we don't, remember me

Lone Goat posted:

Yeah I stopped playing when I realised I was just reading the guide and doing exactly what it told me to, without thinking about or understanding what any of the mechanics did.

Honestly I'm using the guide for ECs but it's not too difficult to see what impact the studies have and why you'd choose one over another. First row has the biggest immediate impact, third row is best for long-term growth, middle is in between. It can be tough to compare the effects from one row to another, but within a row it's usually pretty clear which are the most powerful.

All in all it's way less confusing and opaque than the theory tree in Distance. That had way too many options and it was much harder to determine how effects like "the softcap on endorsements start later" would actually impact your progress.

# ? Jan 12, 2021 16:50

GrossMurpel: Apr 8, 2011

Nibble posted:

Honestly I'm using the guide for ECs but it's not too difficult to see what impact the studies have and why you'd choose one over another. First row has the biggest immediate impact, third row is best for long-term growth, middle is in between. It can be tough to compare the effects from one row to another, but within a row it's usually pretty clear which are the most powerful.

All in all it's way less confusing and opaque than the theory tree in Distance. That had way too many options and it was much harder to determine how effects like "the softcap on endorsements start later" would actually impact your progress.

Not really, it's more like the middle and bottom row become stronger later in the complexity when you have more EP.

# ? Jan 12, 2021 17:26

Nea: Feb 28, 2014; Funny Little Guy Aficionado.

I'm at the endgame of Synergism and I need somethign that isn't just grinding up a single number 5% every day now. Does anyone have any suggestions for something good, where the gameplay has decent shifts once in a while, that they're enjoying? Should I just figure out where the mod to make evolve run 20 times faster is?

# ? Jan 12, 2021 19:52

headfake: Aug 6, 2011

Lone Goat posted:

Yeah I stopped playing when I realised I was just reading the guide and doing exactly what it told me to, without thinking about or understanding what any of the mechanics did.

I had this experience too, so I started over and didn't look at the guide at all, and it worked out OK. I'm 13 days in now and at the last stage before Finality. I started to glance at the guide again in the last couple stages, but there's some randomness to dropped bonuses now, so it can't just tell you exactly what to do.

# ? Jan 13, 2021 03:14

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

~~Did Kongregate bite the dust? I know they stopped adding games a few months back, but I'd read they were going to keep the games online. I was just getting into NGU, too~~

nm, maintenance page just went up

# ? Jan 13, 2021 05:27

Ineptitude: Mar 2, 2010; Heed my words and become a master of the Heart _{(of Thorns)}.

Got to Chroma in FE000000 and now its just a matter of waiting for a while, eternity for a small increase in EP, then wait more?

# ? Jan 13, 2021 10:01

KazigluBey: Oct 30, 2011; boner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdpUrvUvnvk

https://fourquarters.itch.io/loopathero-demo

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1282730/Loop_Hero/

# ? Jan 13, 2021 12:52

Nibble: Dec 28, 2003; if we don't, remember me

Ineptitude posted:

Got to Chroma in FE000000 and now its just a matter of waiting for a while, eternity for a small increase in EP, then wait more?

I�m there too. I don�t think you want to wait on every run, just every now and then when the cap raises significantly based on your eternities. I did a long run to build grey when I unlocked it, then did normal runs, a long run for purple when I bought it, and back to grey since the cap has gotten way higher now.

# ? Jan 13, 2021 14:00

moush: Aug 19, 2009; Rage Your Dream

Cobalt60 posted:

I think I posted it in this thread, but Evolve is the idle game I found fun ONLY after learning how to cheat. Let me know if you'd like me to paste notes on the script I used, but it essentially lets you skip just-plain-waiting components of the game, so you can enjoy the progress at any pace you want.

Please do, at the moment I just put it off completely.

# ? Jan 13, 2021 17:37

Garfu: Mar 6, 2008; Much like buttholes, families are meant to be tight.

moush posted:

Please do, at the moment I just put it off completely.

This is the method I came up with:

code:

(for chrome)
1. Load the page
2. Locate evolve.js in the devconsole
3. Place a breakpoint at line 4: switch (data.loop) {
4. Reload the page
5. Hover over 'data' and change 'period:' to 25 (lowest I found that still works and doesn't lockup the game after a while)
6. Click resume script execution, or press F8
7. Repeat step 5 and 6 two more times for each type of loop (main, which handles the evolution stage, mid, which handles mostly everything else, and long, which handles the day cycles and some other stuff)

You'll have to repeat this every time you prestige. Or make a tampermonkey/greasemonkey script to do it for you.

Some tips for optimizing:
-Set the short speed as low as 20 up through Bioseeding for maximum speed e.g. 20/1000/5000
-Set the long speed as low as 100 for maximum soul gem farming e.g. 250/1000/100
-Set the mid speed as low as 50 for mech grinding e.g. - 250/50/5000
-Messing with all of the speeds at once will make the game chug anywhere past the early game, so setting the above speeds when you need to will maximize your output

Basically you don't need to mess with the different loops outside of the one you're currently utilizing most. Short for resource farming. Mid for mechs and spying. Long for day cycle, so pretty much just soul gems.

That guy may have a better way to do it tho

edit: all of the above settings and minimum ms speeds are dependent on your cpu so mileage may vary. Those were my observations with a 6700k @ 4.5ghz

Garfu fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jan 13, 2021

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buglord: Jul 31, 2010; Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!; Buglord

How do I overcome the 50 million BLC coin hurdle in Leaf Blower Revolution? Where should I be investing my BLC coins first and foremost? Progression seemed to grind to a halt at this point.

# ? Jan 13, 2021 18:53

Cobalt60: Jun 1, 2006

Garfu posted:

That guy may have a better way to do it tho

Different, not specifically better. In this route, you simply "max all resources (including knowledge), and add buildings I want." At any time, you can open the console and dump this:

code:

var obj = JSON.parse(LZString.decompressFromUTF16(localStorage.getItem('evolved')));
for (prop in obj.resource) {
if(obj.resource.hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
if(obj.resource[prop].amount > 0) {
if(obj.resource[prop].max > 0) {
obj.resource[prop].amount = obj.resource[prop].max;
} else {
obj.resource[prop].amount += 999999;
}
}
}
}
[b]obj.city.basic_housing.count = 100;
[/b]var string = LZString.compressToUTF16(JSON.stringify(obj));
localStorage.setItem('evolved',string);
window.location.reload();

That script above will max out all resources and give 100x of the starter housing. You can add a new line for each building - it's easy to just paste the lines below as you desire, replacing the bolded line.

NOTE that some building names change by species, like "compost" instead of "farm." You can discover the names by inspecting the button name - they are always consistent with the name of the variable.

<<<<<<<<here'a a copy/paste list for early in a rebirth>>>>>>>>
obj.city.basic_housing.count = 1000;
obj.city.cottage.count = 1000;
obj.city.farm.count = 1000;
obj.city.bank.count = 1000;
obj.city.amphitheatre.count = 1000;
obj.city.university.count = 1000;
obj.city.library.count = 1000;
obj.city.wardenclyffe.count = 1000;
obj.city.garrison.count = 1000;
obj.city.hospital.count = 1000;
obj.city.silo.count = 1000;
obj.city.shed.count = 1000;
obj.city.storage_yard.count = 1000;
obj.city.warehouse.count = 1000;
obj.city.trade.count = 1000;
obj.city.lumber_yard.count = 1000;
obj.city.sawmill.count = 1000;
obj.city.rock_quarry.count = 1000;
obj.city.cement_plant.count = 1000;
obj.city.foundry.count = 1000;
obj.city.smelter.count = 1000;
obj.city.metal_refinery.count = 1000;
obj.city.mine.count = 1000;
obj.city.coal_mine.count = 1000;

<<<<<<<<this list is great once you're in space>>>>>>>>
obj.city.basic_housing.count = 10000;
obj.city.cottage.count = 10000;
obj.city.apartment.count = 10000;
obj.city.farm.count = 10000;
obj.city.bank.count = 10000;
obj.city.amphitheatre.count = 10000;
obj.city.casino.count = 10000;
obj.city.temple.count = 10000;
obj.city.university.count = 10000;
obj.city.library.count = 10000;
obj.city.wardenclyffe.count = 10000;
obj.city.biolab.count = 10000;
obj.city.garrison.count = 10000;
obj.city.hospital.count = 10000;
obj.city.boot_camp.count = 10000;
obj.city.silo.count = 10000;
obj.city.shed.count = 10000;
obj.city.storage_yard.count = 10000;
obj.city.warehouse.count = 10000;
obj.city.oil_depot.count = 10000;
obj.city.trade.count = 10000;
obj.city.wharf.count = 10000;
obj.city.lumber_yard.count = 10000;
obj.city.sawmill.count = 10000;
obj.city.rock_quarry.count = 10000;
obj.city.cement_plant.count = 10000;
obj.city.foundry.count = 10000;
obj.city.factory.count = 10000;
obj.city.smelter.count = 10000;
obj.city.metal_refinery.count = 10000;
obj.city.mine.count = 10000;
obj.city.coal_mine.count = 10000;
obj.city.oil_well.count = 10000;
obj.city.mill.count = 10000;
obj.city.coal_power.count = 10000;
obj.city.oil_power.count = 10000;
obj.city.fission_power.count = 10000;
obj.city.mass_driver.count = 10000;

<<<<<<<<and here's some buildings that don't drag your power generation down too bad, if you're going for a hell run>>>>>>>>
obj.space.satellite.count = 10000;
obj.space.gps.count = 10000;
obj.space.propellant_depot.count = 10000;
obj.space.iridium_mine.count = 10000;
obj.space.helium_mine.count = 10000;
obj.space.observatory.count = 10000;
obj.space.living_quarters.count = 10000;
obj.space.garage.count = 10000;
obj.space.red_mine.count = 10000;
obj.space.biodome.count = 10000;
obj.space.exotic_lab.count = 10000;
obj.space.ziggurat.count = 10000;
obj.space.space_barracks.count = 10000;
obj.space.geothermal.count = 10000;
obj.space.swarm_control.count = 10000;
obj.space.swarm_satellite.count = 10000;
obj.space.gas_storage.count = 10000;
obj.space.drone.count = 10000;
obj.space.elerium_ship.count = 10000;
obj.space.iridium_ship.count =10000;
obj.space.iron_ship.count = 10000;
obj.space.e_reactor.count = 10000;

obj.interstellar.starport.count = 1000;
obj.interstellar.fusion.count = 1000;

obj.galaxy.starbase.count = 1000;

obj.portal.attractor.count = 1000;
obj.portal.harbour.count = 10000;
obj.portal.transport.count = 10000;
obj.portal.hell_forge.count = 10000;

obj.portal.purifier.count = 10000;
obj.portal.port.count = 10000;
obj.portal.base_camp.count = 10000;
obj.portal.mechbay.count = 10000;

# ? Jan 14, 2021 01:00

Garfu: Mar 6, 2008; Much like buttholes, families are meant to be tight.

Oh, yeah if you want to go the play-the-actual-game route to experience all of the content but faster use my speedhack.

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_jink: Jan 14, 2006

KazigluBey posted:

https://fourquarters.itch.io/loopathero-demo

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1282730/Loop_Hero/

this is neat, keeping my eyes on development for sure. while it clearly pulls from a lot from idle games, it's definitely a full attention sort of game though. idle-like?

# ? Jan 14, 2021 09:07

Inexplicable Humblebrag: Sep 20, 2003

# ? Jan 14, 2021 12:28

Lilli: Feb 21, 2011; Goodbye, my child.

KazigluBey posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdpUrvUvnvk

https://fourquarters.itch.io/loopathero-demo

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1282730/Loop_Hero/

This looks like a really solid base, definitely interested to see where they take it.

# ? Jan 14, 2021 16:13

SubNat: Nov 27, 2008

One thing I'm curious about in Shark Game:
When you unlock those 'bring a couple of an animal to the next world' things, do they ensure that you can always access the tech/machines specific to them?
Or are which animals that are available hard-locked based on the kind of world you're going to?

Like if you select the upgrade which brings along 5 shrimp, does that mean that you'll get access to shrimptech(tm) on all future worlds? Or that you'll just end up with 5 lonely shrimp chilling throughout an entire world run if you're on a world that doesn't normally have them?

# ? Jan 14, 2021 17:41

Dr. Arbitrary: Mar 15, 2006; Bleak Gremlin

SubNat posted:

One thing I'm curious about in Shark Game:
When you unlock those 'bring a couple of an animal to the next world' things, do they ensure that you can always access the tech/machines specific to them?
Or are which animals that are available hard-locked based on the kind of world you're going to?

Like if you select the upgrade which brings along 5 shrimp, does that mean that you'll get access to shrimptech(tm) on all future worlds? Or that you'll just end up with 5 lonely shrimp chilling throughout an entire world run if you're on a world that doesn't normally have them?

They're ineffective in some worlds.

A good workaround is to buy even more levels of that upgrade so that they'll have more friends. Maybe they hang out at the post-research science shark party.

# ? Jan 14, 2021 17:54

dis astranagant: Dec 14, 2006

SubNat posted:

One thing I'm curious about in Shark Game:
When you unlock those 'bring a couple of an animal to the next world' things, do they ensure that you can always access the tech/machines specific to them?
Or are which animals that are available hard-locked based on the kind of world you're going to?

Like if you select the upgrade which brings along 5 shrimp, does that mean that you'll get access to shrimptech(tm) on all future worlds? Or that you'll just end up with 5 lonely shrimp chilling throughout an entire world run if you're on a world that doesn't normally have them?

Access to machines depends on the resources available in the world. No coral -> no coralglass or delphinium -> no crustacean or dolphin machines (not that you ever want dolphin machines). The big thing with the migrators is that they're multiplicative: the next one gives 25, then 125, 625, etc. Get a few whale migrators and you'll have food solved for most worlds.

dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 14, 2021

# ? Jan 14, 2021 19:03

Voxx: Jul 28, 2009; I'll give 'em a hold
and a break to breathe
And if they can't play nice
I won't play with 'em at all

i still appreciate that every game just sounds so stupid out of context

# ? Jan 14, 2021 19:16

SubNat: Nov 27, 2008

dis astranagant posted:

Access to machines depends on the resources available in the world.

Alrighty, I wasn't entirely sure what the limiting factor was, I was half expecting it to be a deal where once you were bringing all types of animals with you, you could do anything, speeding up future runs more.
Ah yeah, then I understand a bit more how strong it can be later on. 5>25>125 while also becoming x2>4>8 better etc seems like a pretty good deal, since the first part of runs is the slowest.

I'm just glad I'm starting to get level 10-11 and up worlds now, so that I get a bit more essence.

# ? Jan 14, 2021 23:06

Safari Disco Lion: Jul 21, 2011; Boss, if they make us find seven lost crystals, I'm quitting.

FE000000: I just started my third eternity, where you start with all the normal challenges unlocked, and for some reason my early infinity points feel WAY slower than the second eternity. All my autobuyers are on and set back to normal values and everything but I just bought my first infinity gen #4 and it took 45 minutes.

# ? Jan 15, 2021 10:26

GrossMurpel: Apr 8, 2011

Safari Disco Lion posted:

FE000000: I just started my third eternity, where you start with all the normal challenges unlocked, and for some reason my early infinity points feel WAY slower than the second eternity. All my autobuyers are on and set back to normal values and everything but I just bought my first infinity gen #4 and it took 45 minutes.

Did you remember to get 256 infinities? "You have 256 infinities, multiplying all infinity generators (IGs) by 1."

# ? Jan 15, 2021 11:22

Ineptitude: Mar 2, 2010; Heed my words and become a master of the Heart _{(of Thorns)}.

Yeah that sounds weird.

You should be able to get some IP literally seconds into a new run fairly early on in eternities

# ? Jan 15, 2021 11:22

Safari Disco Lion: Jul 21, 2011; Boss, if they make us find seven lost crystals, I'm quitting.

Getting IG4 on Eternity 4 just took 33 minutes, which still feels too slow. It's like I'm stuck in a challenge or something. :confused:

GrossMurpel posted:

Did you remember to get 256 infinities? "You have 256 infinities, multiplying all infinity generators (IGs) by 1."

The Nerf Removal achievement? Yes.

# ? Jan 15, 2021 12:05

GrossMurpel: Apr 8, 2011

Safari Disco Lion posted:

Getting IG4 on Eternity 4 just took 33 minutes, which still feels too slow. It's like I'm stuck in a challenge or something.

The Nerf Removal achievement? Yes.

No, infinities give a multiplier to IG generation. You need to do 256 infinities every eternity (before you get a bunch of eternity milestones, anyway).

# ? Jan 15, 2021 13:04

Beasteh: Feb 12, 2012; I'M QUESTIONING MY EXISTENCE AND THIS IDIOT JUST WANTS TO PEE OFF A WALL

I just got all the complexity achievements done in FE000000 and this is far more compelling than Realm Grinder ever was for some reason

# ? Jan 15, 2021 19:39

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

Voxx posted:

i still appreciate that every game just sounds so stupid out of context

Incremental games and Monster Hunter games are spiritually indistinguishable from each other.

# ? Jan 15, 2021 19:45

Cobalt60: Jun 1, 2006

I'm halfway into Tier 5 of Perfect Tower 2 -- does this game "keep going" or am I kinda approaching end-game? Just curious about how long-haul this gets...

# ? Jan 15, 2021 19:51

New Yorp New Yorp: Jul 18, 2003; Only in Kenya.; Pillbug

Beasteh posted:

I just got all the complexity achievements done in FE000000 and this is far more compelling than Realm Grinder ever was for some reason

It took me a week or two but I just beat it last night... I'm considering restarting it from scratch.

It's fun because it's well-paced and accelerates nicely. The first reset of any new thing slows you way back down, then it gradually builds back up and gets even faster than before. It's very satisfying.

# ? Jan 15, 2021 19:59

GrossMurpel: Apr 8, 2011

New Yorp New Yorp posted:

It took me a week or two but I just beat it last night... I'm considering restarting it from scratch.

It's fun because it's well-paced and accelerates nicely. The first reset of any new thing slows you way back down, then it gradually builds back up and gets even faster than before. It's very satisfying.

Anything after finality? I stopped playing on the way there cause galaxies didn't look fun.

# ? Jan 15, 2021 20:10

Nibble: Dec 28, 2003; if we don't, remember me

In second complexity now, yeah it's been very nicely paced. The only thing I didn't like much was chroma, because for some reason that felt like a more obvious "well now you just have to sit and wait for this arbitrary amount of time" than the rest of the game.

# ? Jan 15, 2021 20:11

New Yorp New Yorp: Jul 18, 2003; Only in Kenya.; Pillbug

GrossMurpel posted:

Anything after finality? I stopped playing on the way there cause galaxies didn't look fun.

Nope.

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Omi no Kami: Feb 19, 2014

Is there anything in Shark Game after I max out my lab research and get the thing which makes whales generate essence? That was over really fast for an incremental thingie.

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