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BurningCourage posted:If not it is possible to pursue them through small claims for the half they owe. There's always a good chance of people backing down at the first letter from the courts - or even a "hi I'm filling in the court papers right now r u sure u don't want to pay" - but if they're unusually lazy, contentious or poor, just be warned that making a money claim will take ages, and might not get you a satisfactory resolution
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Why Matt Hancock shouldn't be allowed to talk to people - Exhibit 8,472 https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1349280495914393600?s=19 I just wish the only TV 'journalist' asking these questions wasn't Piers loving Morgan.
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forkboy84 posted:So say for a school with 200 kids getting free school meals (I have no idea if that's a realistic number but it's nice & round & we like that), 39 weeks in a school year, that's £177,216 that isn't actually going to the kids out of a £30/head budget of £234,000. Obviously the catering company would have staffing costs & such so it's not pure profit but it is a pretty penny. £177k a week. Considering the staffing costs related to that, it's as close to pure profit as makes no odds. And that's before you consider that the company probably took on a bunch of unemployed people on ZOCs or workfare for this contract, and it wouldn't entirely shock me to learn that the government paid them again for that.
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Jan 13, 2021 11:22
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Guavanaut posted:Or that we have a state religion that's somehow both Episcopalian and opposed to same sex marriage? How's this one surprising? Episcopalian just means 'has bishops'. Much like, for example, the Catholic church it was a spinoff of which also takes a dim view of same sex marriage. The only reason the American branch specifically has that name is that 'Church of England' wasn't a real good look in immediately post-independence America for some reason.
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They're the official state religion of a state that has in legislation allowed same sex marriage, with spiritual representatives appointed to the upper house that approved said legislation, and yet broke off communion with the American branch for allowing same sex marriage. It still comes off as immensely dickish if not surprising, like all the others.
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Guavanaut posted:They're the official state religion of a state that has in legislation allowed same sex marriage, with spiritual representatives appointed to the upper house that approved said legislation, and yet broke off communion with the American branch for allowing same sex marriage. It still comes off as immensely dickish if not surprising, like all the others. I mean, they are the state religion but they are not an arm of the state per se and are not required to endorse every action of the state (which is just as well! otherwise you end up with, like, Tsarist Russia where priests preach from every pulpit how we should all support Bozza in all his works). We don't implicitly think they support bad things like bombing brown people even though the state has legislated to do that; that cuts both ways.
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We can still call it oval office behaviour when they do things like that though, because it was neither necessary nor a good look considering their close links with the state (I'm not sure how many automatically appointed representatives you're allowed to have in the legislature before you can claim not to be an arm of the state). Same deal with landed aristocrats deliberately
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I can't decide if the school meals thing is malice with the general feeling from conservatives thinking things like: "So they want something for free do they? We'll see how they like THIS free lunch then, loving scroungers" which my dad, a self professed 'Old Tory' would do. Undeserving poor BS mentality etc. etc. Or if it is the logical conclusion of min/max capitalism where my dad ALSO used to spout things like "look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves!" which leads to measuring out 2p's worth of pasta and cutting a pepper in half because "A penny saved is a penny earned" or some poo poo.
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Mebh posted:I can't decide if the school meals thing is malice with the general feeling from conservatives thinking things like: It's unregulated capitalism. The government gave the contract to someone for £x money, that company worked out if they spent £y on each box they'd get £z profit, and they've done everything they can to maximise z. The government didn't care what was going in those boxes until someone shouted about it and now they are Very Concerned.
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It's malcompetence. Malice alone would have had some kind of rational that wasn't floundering, incompetence alone wouldn't have been so comprehensively poo poo. Anything going out with their name on that they gave a solitary poo poo about would have had some kind of inspectorate involved, so it's the worst kind of indifference at play.
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EvilHawk posted:It's unregulated capitalism. The government gave the contract to someone for £x money, that company worked out if they spent £y on each box they'd get £z profit, and they've done everything they can to maximise z. The government didn't care what was going in those boxes until someone shouted about it and now they are Very Concerned. do you think it cost them less to figure out how much carrot to put into each box or wrap an onion quarter instead of just putting a whole carrot and onion in there
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It's a complete lack of empathy and the natural end state of capitalism. "Oh, we have 50 peppers and have to fill up 100 boxes. Minion, put half a pepper in each box". The solution doesn't have to be efficient or have value or make sense, the people at top have already made their money, and that's all that matters.
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crepeface posted:do you think it cost them less to figure out how much carrot to put into each box or wrap an onion quarter instead of just putting a whole carrot and onion in there I imagine they just have a big spreadsheet with the cost of each item and a profit margin at the end. You could probably knock it out in an afternoon and go off fox hunting or whatever it is business owners do.
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Mebh posted:I can't decide if the school meals thing is malice with the general feeling from conservatives thinking things like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtEFEdrrXc4
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Flayer posted:It's a complete lack of empathy and the natural end state of capitalism. "Oh, we have 50 peppers and have to fill up 100 boxes. Minion, put half a pepper in each box". The solution doesn't have to be efficient or have value or make sense, the people at top have already made their money, and that's all that matters. Half a pepper? In my time we had a quarter of a carrot of veg a week. And not even the good quarter, the bland middle bit and precut long enough to be stale. Uhhhh. Hang on. Seriously how does that meet nutritional guidelines.
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Guavanaut posted:As someone said earlier, a Huel dole would be less insulting. Tying back to 'the cruelty is the point', especially Pistol Pete's analogy of the villagers having to beg at the manor gate for charity when the squire could just give them money, but it's all about enforcing power structures: There's someone right now in twitter replies suggesting that all kids be given a ration of Huel and/or nutrient bars...but the food has to include a dye that stains your teeth purple to prevent even this state-funded largesse being misappropriated. Presumably to be followed up by the police or the DWP rounding up adults with stained teeth or something like that.
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https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1348897221832560640 Someone should do something! https://twitter.com/MarcusRashford/status/1349310804064137218 Someone has.
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crepeface posted:do you think it cost them less to figure out how much carrot to put into each box or wrap an onion quarter instead of just putting a whole carrot and onion in there Through the miracle of the back of the envelope... Cost of a single onion: 10p Labour cost to place that onion in a box (assuming 1 second work at £8.20/p.h): 0.2p Total: 10.2p Cost of quarter of an onion: 2.5p Labour cost to cut an onion into quarters (2 seconds)/4: 0.1p Labour cost to wrap that quarter-onion (2 second): 0.4p Labour cost to pack: 0.2p Total: 3.2p, or a saving of a whole 7p. Which doesn't sound much, but if you're punting out 10,000 of these boxes, that's a whole £700 you've just saved! Obviously the person who worked that out is getting paid £50 p.h, and it took them a good week to come up with this wheeze, but that's the sort of efficiency and savings that the private sector brings you!
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crepeface posted:do you think it cost them less to figure out how much carrot to put into each box or wrap an onion quarter instead of just putting a whole carrot and onion in there You're presuming that they thought about it, instead of just doing it because they knew there would be no consequences.
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1348897221832560640 Marcus Rashford - fresh from playing in a professional top flight football game last night, and preparing for the biggest game of the season on Sunday - has just had a conversation with the Prime Minister and got him to commit to a review of the boxes. The Leader of the Opposition has sent a tweet.
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The number of deaths per day from coronavirus is now at an all-time high, even more than there were in March:
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They're so loving poo poo https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1349308497641541639?s=19
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BurningCourage posted:(Source: Do work at a CAB and just checked our stuff on liability for energy bills) Thanks for all the advice thread! I feel I'm hosed really, but thought it worth asking (both our names on the bill, I've paid it and asking them for the money) - I'll keep hassling him anyway
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Jose posted:They're so loving poo poo Genuinely don't understand how a leftist can stay a supporter of this shower. They just make me so loving mad.
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Gavin Williamson & Ofqual exchanged letters. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/letter-from-gavin-williamson-to-simon-lebus Letter to Ofqual https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/simon-lebus-responds-to-the-secretary-of-states-letter-of-13-january-2021 Ofqual reply Thankfully seem to be accepting that February exams don't have to go ahead either. Which is nice as I should have had an exam on Feb 4th which until now was going ahead because despite being in the January series of exams the government had only spoken about exams in January.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Through the miracle of the back of the envelope... You need to include the cost of the material to wrap them, not that that's going to gouge it too much there.
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Jose posted:They're so loving poo poo I'll see that and raise you: https://twitter.com/shirleymush/status/1349141818852728835?s=20 "We need to abandon these left wing ideas and compete with the Tories on the economy, where they have demonstrated so much competency."
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Pistol_Pete posted:I pretty much agree with "the cruelty is the point" in that I see it as largely about reinforcing power relationships. I think it needs explicitly mentioning, in the context of 'the cruelty is the point' that the primary stated purpose, and the point, are not always (and indeed, are rarely) the same thing. Like, the primary stated purpose of these food parcels is to feed people. But that's not the point. If the point was the same as the primary stated purpose, there are infinitely better ways to do it. But equally, in this case specifically, I'm not sure the cruelty IS the point. Because I think the profit is the point. The cruelty is just a convenient (for them) by-product. Because, if the cruelty was the point, you could make the same food packages - just for less money. These food packages cost a fiver, and the government could trivially make the same lovely food packages for a fiver. But they don't, they pay a private company owned by one of their mates to do it, and make a stupid profit in the process. The cruelty isn't the point, the theft of the profit is.
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Jedit posted:I'll see that and raise you: Corbyn: Tories bad because they have bad ideas Starmer: Tories bad because they are bad at implementing their ideas
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Yep, it's the cycle of Tory government. Give a huge amount of public money to one of your mates for a pitiful amount of work, they give a kickback to the Conservative party. Repeat until country collapses, then retire overseas.
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Moonwolf posted:You need to include the cost of the material to wrap them, not that that's going to gouge it too much there. Given they seem to be wrapping them in "whatever poo poo we've got lying around" I figured it would be too much of a variable, but assuming 5x32cm of Tesco cling film, 0.2p per quarter.
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Gort posted:The number of deaths per day from coronavirus is now at an all-time high, even more than there were in March: It's going to grow for probably another ~4 weeks at least, with active cases you already have a ~2 week delay and that's even more pronounced with deaths. The good news is that new cases keep dropping, from 60k for most of the last week to 48k the day before yesterday and now 46k yesterday. So unless that's a statistical blip it looks like things might calm down a bit within a few weeks.
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Imagine being so poo poo at politics that you get hoist by your own petard by Boris Johnson.
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Jedit posted:Imagine being so poo poo at politics that you get hoist by your own petard by Boris Johnson. https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1349329190173237252?s=20
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