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No Wave posted:Ganyu barely interacts with the rest of the cast atm. I'm still not convinced she's going to be this SSS tier meta breaker trivializer of content. Are you guys finding it that much easier to clear content with Ganyu than you were before getting her? I'm never, ever, ever, ever going back to pathetic worthless melee-range dps on Dvalin now that I never have to engage with all the glitchy positioning up on his back when I can just sit on the ground and arrow him to death at leisure
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Jan 13, 2021 23:47
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of course, abyss 11 is +75% cryo right now specifically to sell ganyu to people, and no doubt the next rotation will have a different favored element, so...
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Jan 13, 2021 23:50
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Hexel posted:I feel like I've been playing my Sucrose wrong. it occurred to me as I was gathering crystals today that when I start with an XQ wet application, swirl that and then go ham with Diluc to proc vape, I'm losing the ele resistance debuff. Yes, you need to get pyro swirls to get the VV debuff working properly. It's a bit of a pain if Diluc is your only pyro because you need to hit E1, swap to sucrose, swirl, and swap back to diluc fast enough to use E2 before it goes on cooldown. You can also just throw Sucrose's burst first and then switch to DIluc to do fire stuff.
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Jan 13, 2021 23:55
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If they quadrupled the duration of her Q she'd be a good support for her maybe
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Jan 13, 2021 23:56
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Cao Ni Ma posted:If they quadrupled the duration of her Q she'd be a good support for her maybe Her durations should really match Xiangling. The Q would still be worse than pyronado, but it would have enough utility to give her a spot in a team that wants support pyro and an archer.
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I was getting up to my pity limit when I did a 10-pull and saw that yellow meteor. I pissed as poo poo when Qiqi popped up until the last card on the pull showed a Ganyu. Shes fun as poo poo, I thought I'd have a hard time playing a bow main, but honestly I miss a lot less than my Klee, who loves to throw bombs at the wrong target as a matter of course. I'm having great fun with Jean/Ganyu/Klee, with Ganyu being out most of the time, Klee as the melt support, and Jean tossing back any enemies who get close. I just can't settle on my 4th character. I could do: Qiqi: Cryo resonance and healing. I still don't know what shes does because shes still lv 1. Sucrose: I somehow have C6 sucrose because the gacha wanted me to have her. Provides swirl damage, EM and anemo resonance. Anemo MC: Really anemo resonance and burst only, but what a burst it is. Suck up Klee's bomb-lets and any enemies that get close. Nothing will ever get in melee range again. Bennet: Also for fire resonance and burst only, but if you charge up his skill, you can launch yourself to safety and into bow range (though maybe out of his burst) Xiangling: Burst and panda. I guess. XQ. Water swords, but doesn't work on charge attack so not that useful.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:It's a bit of a pain if Diluc is your only pyro That team is usually Diluc, XQ, Bennett and Sucrose. So I should start with Bennett E, swirl that, then apply wet with XQ and finish up with Diluc E's and then his Q if anything is left alive?
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:Sucrose: I somehow have C6 sucrose because the gacha wanted me to have her. Provides swirl damage, EM and anemo resonance. As people have been talking about, Sucrose works best as either support for a melt/vaporize team or as a mega-swirler for a bunch of different off-field damage dealers (Fischl, XQ, etc). I don't think either of those describe your team.
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diluc/venti/???/??? bennett c3: obvious choice, but losing elemental coverage coverage hurts qiqi: her skill is completely at odds with venti's burst, but it makes melt easy and she can heal through anything fischl c6: I already spend enough time chasing enemies with diluc, but that's a ton of extra damage XQ c2: don't have a sac sword but he still works well barbara c5: her???
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Pope Urbane II posted:Her durations should really match Xiangling. The Q would still be worse than pyronado, but it would have enough utility to give her a spot in a team that wants support pyro and an archer.
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The thing with Ganyu is they clearly did what I speculated a long time ago and overtuned her charged shots for mobile. I imagine she'd be bottom tier on mobile (and maybe console) if she didn't have an effective shot that has some insurance against missing. She also has to be a good DPS at a baseline, because her damage output is highly dependent on being able to hit what you're aiming at. If you completely whiff a charged shot, that's two seconds where Ganyu contributed absolutely nothing; this is much harder to do in melee due to the auto-targeting directing your attacks and the plethora of melee-supportive incidental damage, a lot of which will fire off even if you're missing the target (such as XQ's Burst and C6 Oz). The counterpoint to this is that the game is really easy and there isn't much set up to punish ranged AI-exploiting gameplay. That's not Ganyu's problem, and she could become quite difficult to use effectively if content shifts to more shield-wielding enemies (see current Floor 12) or enemies that rush you down really hard (this very same sort of change would suddenly make Beidou way better; it's content meta, not numbers a lot of the time). But the game's really easy so who cares. Her not working super well in a lot of teams is an issue I think people are going to notice more and more as the newness wears off. She's pretty effective doing a lot on her own, but is that necessarily the most optimal way to play the game? It's certainly a chill and simple way, but if she's easy to play at a high floor but difficult to design teams for at her ceiling then I think that's actually pretty okay balance-wise. If they wreck that by introducing new ranged supports that massively synergize with her playstyle and turn her into the end all and be all of characters? Well, maybe they will, but we haven't seen any signs of that just yet. What matters is she shits on Oceanid and frankly, gently caress Oceanid, anyone who dumpsters that boss is good. Cao Ni Ma posted:If they quadrupled the duration of her Q she'd be a good support for her maybe
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No Wave posted:Ganyu barely interacts with the rest of the cast atm. I'm still not convinced she's going to be this SSS tier meta breaker trivializer of content. Are you guys finding it that much easier to clear content with Ganyu than you were before getting her? I use her to drop enemies dead from afar, or to fire a starter shot and then close the distance with Keqing and enjoy CC along with physical debuff. She made stuff slightly easier and faster so far, but she's only lvl60 (pre-ascension) with lvl40 Amos, so lot of room to scale up.
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Has anyone used Mona with Ganyu? Seems like her skill (that basically plops down a thing that gathers enemies and repeatedly gets them wet) might interact well with ranged cryo in terms of just freezing them constantly.
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Ytlaya posted:Has anyone used Mona with Ganyu? Seems like her skill (that basically plops down a thing that gathers enemies and repeatedly gets them wet) might interact well with ranged cryo in terms of just freezing them constantly. She definitely works, but the problem is that Mona's E only lasts for about four or five seconds, and it has a cooldown of 12 seconds. You definitely can't keep stuff frozen forever with Mona. Xingqiu has much better uptime, but instead has issues with range and requiring Ganyu to weave normal attacks to make his burst work. I'm considering using both of them.
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The most favorable team build I've seen so far is Ganyu/Bennett/Xiangling/Venti. Apply pyro, pop Venti Q, pop Ganyu Q, shoot blooms, everything loving dies.
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What do folks in the thread think about spending Starglitter on wishes versus characters? It's been a small debate in the circle of pals I play the game with. My initial assumption was that it was always better to buy characters, given that 34 Starglitter gets you six wishes, which probably doesn't get you a 4* under usual RNG. However, by doing wishes over characters, you're also advancing your pity counter. I have 99 Starglitter at the moment which is just shy of doing 20 pulls. That's a pretty good chunk toward the cause of Ganyu C1. I'm now thinking that maybe it's better to save 34 in case a particular constellation you want comes up, but otherwise buy wishes. You lose a little on total number of 4*s, gain a lot on advancement toward 5*s. Thoughts?
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Characters are better because it’s guaranteed. It’s not 4 more debate clubs.
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Xalidur posted:What do folks in the thread think about spending Starglitter on wishes versus characters? It's been a small debate in the circle of pals I play the game with. If you're completely F2P I think saving is best. I have put some money in and I let myself hover around 120 starglitter, in case I want to grab weapons...or a char that comes up. Anything over that I will sometimes cash in for wishes when I am bored.
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I think in the long run (maybe after a year or so), 4* dupes will be mostly worthless to you even as F2P. In which case advancing your pity timer towards a 5* you really want is almost certainly better. In the short run... depends on how much you really want any particular character's 4* dupes.
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The devs don't seem to be releasing any more 4* characters so within a few months you'll have most stuff at C6. There are 91 total non-wasted pulls for 4 stars not including Amber/Kaeya/Lisa (1 for the character, 6 for constellations). I imagine a lot of players are at over 40 of those 91 total pulls already. Back when I thought we'd be getting two new 4*s per major patch the math was different and I would have advised buying the constellations. No Wave fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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I'd only do it if you desperately don't want to spend any more money, you want a five star whose banner is about to run out, and you are pretty high up on the pity timer.
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Xalidur posted:What do folks in the thread think about spending Starglitter on wishes versus characters? It's been a small debate in the circle of pals I play the game with. I bitterly used some when I was getting 4*s yesterday despite being at pity. Worth it, but now I kinda wish I didn't since I wanna get the Blackcliff bow and that'll use up most of what I have left. At least I can get a whole BUNCH of starglitter this banner if I really wanted to since my Noelle and Xiangling are C6...
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I've been using Mona with Ganyu and the ranged application of wet is definitely nice. Xingqiu has just as good wet application if not better due to the rotating swords applying it, but it feels like a waste not being able to utilize his burst to its fullest with Ganyu.
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I use the same rule of thumb for starglitter and stardust: don't spend on unlimited items until I've got enough saved up to immediately buy my usual purchases from the shop the following month. Since I want the option to buy characters from the glitter shop and wishes from the dust shop, I only spend my glitter if I have more than 64 left after buying what I want from the current month's characters, and I try not to go below 750 dust so that I'll have enough for the next month's wishes.
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seconded on saving a specific amount and anything over it being fair game for wishes if i want to break/push pity. i don't expect to want more Blackcliff weapons or both characters in any given month so 34 is where i make sure to stay at/above.
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Jan 14, 2021 03:13
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For the Xiao simps... this guy sacrificed his account for this leak lmao https://youtu.be/bXmeK0Iuzyg
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Soothing Vapors posted:For the Xiao simps... this guy sacrificed his account for this leak lmao That's c6 btw, he's getting the resets on his charge
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Framboise posted:The most favorable team build I've seen so far is Ganyu/Bennett/Xiangling/Venti. I like this except I run Albedo instead of Xiangling for some extra durability and shooting from the elevator can be fun.
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Pleasant surprise of the day - Albedo trivializes the triple Abyss Mage domain for Clear Pool. Rush the pyro, lay down a flower, switch to hydro character and eat their shield, get the blossoms to crit them to death with anybody's AAs, take out the cryo mages in similar fashion. 6K crits every 2 seconds and I'm not even optimally geared.
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They've nerfed Xiao slightly throughout testing. But then they made his secondary stat Crit Rate and well let's be honest the nerfs mostly didn't do much. That C6 video is ridiculous but he doesn't need that to do some dumb poo poo. Unless he gets further nerfs he's gonna be at least as good as Ganyu and more party-friendly (but lacking the ranged aspect). They're also still buffing Hu Tao. Hopefully this is not a harbinger of power creep, though I think Ganyu will probably turn out to be more balanced than we'd expect from initial impressions. If not, and Xiao and Hu Tao are even better than her... yikes.
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Venti suckered me in by having a mobility skill, Xiao will do the same (plus he seems like a great Jean partner). with Hu Tao i think i'd just rather see her with better uptime on the skill by a second or two but otherwise having a pyro spear Childe will be fun and they might even pair well together (hey, that's lore!).
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Way too many 5* dps banners coming up tbh. Give me some healers and some supports that aren't geo.
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I think I've just got to skip everything until a Venti rerun.
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I knew I was 30-ish from guarantee banner so I went ahead and broke it for Ganyu to use as burst support for Diluc and it's fantastic (he's boring but cute, don't judge). I figure if the rumors are true about Venti then I can save through the next two banners and if Ning showed up I could roll a bit without worrying as much about "wasting" my guarantee on a character I wasn't interested in mechanically. Throwing 215 rolls on Arknights and not getting W kind of broke me and I'm actually really thrilled about the way pity works in Genshin. I feel like I can actually plan ahead somewhat and know I can get a character I really want.
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gandlethorpe posted:When are they gonna add a new Electro? Lol Electro Archon is coming up in the plot.
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Clarste posted:Electro Archon is coming up in the plot. So in like a year when Inazuma comes out?
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