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The Dutch parliament seems to be outdoing the Tories in the Poorcrusher Olympics today, and the coalition looks likely to collapse under the weight of Pure Centrism. Literally extorting poor people because Computer Say So https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/14/dutch-government-faces-collapse-over-child-benefits-scandal
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Tsietisin posted:It's utterly crazy how the London house prices have spiralled. Landlording needs to go, it's absolutely evil at every step.
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Lungboy posted:Boris doing it again: https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1349710852811849733 "Not letting children starve" seems to be a critical wedge issue in England.
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It does make me wonder if someone has weighed up the idea and said 'well if we keep distracting them with this, they'll complain about one other thing and we can keep using the line about Rashford being better opposition than Keir'.
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Spangly A posted:nah pre-june was just "hospitals only" so care homes/dying at home didn't count. There's a good amount of detailed anecdotal evidence of cases, often regarding minority women, not listened to and ending up dead before setting foot in the hospital - the guardian was running it as part of the ever-present motif of "arent these bad things sad, we will loving come for you if you try to stop the bad thing" endlessmonotony posted:"Not letting children starve" seems to be a critical wedge issue in England.
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endlessmonotony posted:"Not letting children starve" seems to be a critical wedge issue in England. I would guess (based on my own completely anecdotal experience with dickheads and their dickhead opinions) that there is a significant consensus that taking away dinners from poor kids is terribly bad, but also that said kids aren't properly poor because their parents all blow the food budget on 72" Audi Superking iPhones Wachter fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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When I was younger my mum would skip meals so we could eat, and the tiny bit she got in benefits mostly went to paying off debts my dad had racked up on credit card bills. But we also had a telly so I guess we should have sold that so we could have paid the debt back quicker.
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Ended up picking up a copy of the Morning Star (a whopping 16 pages today for £1.20. A reason I don't buy it more often...) & there's a front page story about an old military barracks in Kent being used for refugees & obviously being horrendous: 14 people to a room despite COVID, 1 toilet & 1 shower between 34 people, multiple suicide attempts. Seems barbaric even by the standards of these things.
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Jan 14, 2021 16:34
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lmao there is an election in a couple of months, doesn't it take labour an age to select new leaders? https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1349746930155446274
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Another distressed fishmonger. This one did vote brexit 'for the grandchildren' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55631622 quote:A Welsh shellfish wholesaler says she is worried for her future after nearly £50,000 of lobsters, prawns and crabs were delayed for more than 30 hours on a lorry to Spain. This one is from the Hex-press Sept 2019: hex/news/uk/1183363/brexit-news-no-deal-boris-johnson-wales-fisheries-nerys-edwards-syren-shellfish quote:Nerys Edwards of Syren Shellfish in Wales admitted to having already spent £40,000 to prepare her business for a no deal Brexit scenario. She said the extra burden on her company was unexpected as she did not imagine she would have to take on such an expense when she voted for Brexit in 2016. But asked whether she regretted voting to leave the EU in the 2016 referendum, she shocked the Channel 4 News reporter with a resounding and prompt “not at all”.
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Jan 14, 2021 17:00
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It's incredible how little thought these folks put into anything.
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Jan 14, 2021 17:03
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I love protecting the democratic interests of my grandchildren by voting for something they despise.
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keep punching joe posted:lmao there is an election in a couple of months, doesn't it take labour an age to select new leaders? I'd say "nothing of value was lost" but they'll replace him with some gaping arsehole like Anus Sarwar & make us long for the glory days of Marxism-Leonardism.
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forkboy84 posted:I'd say "nothing of value was lost" but they'll replace him with some gaping arsehole like Anus Sarwar & make us long for the glory days of Marxism-Leonardism. "Our leader might not be a steaming turd  "
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keep punching joe posted:lmao there is an election in a couple of months, doesn't it take labour an age to select new leaders? They might have inside knowledge that the election has been delayed, which has been speculated by many.
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Borrovan posted:Just before elections is the perfect time to quit then. Jackie Baillie enters.
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Yeah I would celebrate but it's an absolute certainty his replacement will be worse
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Re: the developing Zero-covid campaign - I've been struck to see the right-wing press already gearing up to attack it, which I think is really interesting: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/14/lockdown-sceptics-have-one-last-chance-lead-covid-debate/ The Telegraph posted:It is not difficult to see how a terrified population that has been fed guff about “defeating” the virus might be swayed by the Zero Covid argument. Particularly once they realise that “learning to live” with the disease once priority groups have been vaccinated still means accepting heightened vulnerability to mutations and Long Covid, with the endemic virus returning each year. It is also not hard to see how the Tories might see Zero Covid as the path of least resistance. Hyperparanoia about being booted out of office for letting the NHS fall over will increase the temptation to stamp out an unpredictable disease. What does the thread think about this? Once the vaccinations are well underway, should we end restrictions and learn to live with Covid, or should we concentrate on vigorously eliminating it? My own feeling is that learning to live with Covid is a false argument: as long as we're continually needing lockdowns due to rampant Covid, the economy's never going to recover.
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By "learn to live with it" they mean "learn to accept people dying of it once the deaths are economically insignificant"
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I love protecting the democratic interests of my grandchildren by voting for something they despise. Again, the cruelty is the point.
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surely this time they will find from the ranks of scottish labour a single charismatic figure who will turn the party around
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Straight off the heels of eradicating wild polio from Africa and successfully treating Hepatitis C, it's the 'we must learn to live with disease' crowd.
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Angepain posted:surely this time they will find from the ranks of scottish labour a single charismatic figure who will turn the party around gently caress charisma, I'd settle for the one lone principled figure in Scottish labour but alas, stumped again.
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Lungboy posted:Boris doing it again: https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1349710852811849733 I'm genuinely surprised that UKIP still exists.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Re: the developing Zero-covid campaign - I've been struck to see the right-wing press already gearing up to attack it, which I think is really interesting: Personally would rather not accept 'living' with the virus, and just accepting any unknown long term health implications. Taiwan/NZ/Australia seem to have handled things best by locking down till until community transmission stops and being rigorous with quarantining international visitors. The only other option is be trapped in an endless cycle of lockdowns/Rishi's 2 for 1s, until the virus mutates so much that the existing vaccines don't work.
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It very likely will be Anis Sarwar who is hated, ergo the perfect choice for leader!
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Communist Bear posted:It very likely will be Anis Sarwar who is hated, ergo the perfect choice for leader! Was my MP for a wee while. Hate him with a fire passion, only became an MP because his dad had the seat before him, family's business has a well dodgy record on workers rights, gently caress 'em.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Another distressed fishmonger. This one did vote brexit 'for the grandchildren' There's something deep within the British mind where people have internalised that "Suffering for a better future" means that any and all suffering is rewarded in the future. A big part of tory campaigning is just incredibly posh people saying "I'm going to make you suffer to make things better" and people buy it as common sense.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:If you really drilled down you'd probably find that they think a bit of hardship builds character, tough love etc. No, this one simply thinks she knows better than her kids.
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The paternalism is the point.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Re: the developing Zero-covid campaign - I've been struck to see the right-wing press already gearing up to attack it, which I think is really interesting: You haven't identified the real issue. That there won't be anymore lockdowns and anyone over 50 or with comorbidities gets sent to 'special' 'treatment centres' that don't actually have doctors. You get put on a ventilator or CPAP and maybe you'll ride it out but if you crash you crash. This removes the one thing they couldn't ignore, hospitals being overwhelmed. In such a scenario we might get 'lucky' in that a new industry begins with covid only medical teams and bing bong, covid is monetized.
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Who's ready for a mental picture? https://twitter.com/leftworks1/status/1349499282068566017
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To the surprise of nobody, it seems that Boris hasn't read the Brexit trade deal: https://twitter.com/TheNewEuropean/status/1349750065670316032?s=19
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Gottim!
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I'd like to see Boris J wiggle his way out of this jam!
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"We didn't read it we just said "work on it" and then it was done" loving Christ.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Re: the developing Zero-covid campaign - I've been struck to see the right-wing press already gearing up to attack it, which I think is really interesting: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32661-1/fulltext#tbl2 lancet posted:Asymptomatic infections or those with unreported symptoms were detected in 69 participants (table 2). Vaccine efficacy in the 24 LD/SD recipients was 58·9% (95% CI 1·0 to 82·9), whereas it was 3·8% (−72·4 to 46·3) in the 45 participants receiving SD/SD (table 2). If the 3.8% is accurate then zero covid isn't going to happen any time soon.
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ANYTHING YOU SOW posted:This all depends on how well the vacines prevent transmission. This is something we don't know at the moment as the big studies were all focused on whether it prevents symptoms. This is for the oxford vaccine: That's not what zero covid is based on. You stop as much activity as possible for a month or so so that the number of unseen transmission is near 0 and then you heavily and effectively monitor and trace cases when they come back again including mandatory monitored quarantines for people travelling into the UK. You'll end up with a few hundred, may be a few thousand people being in quarantine while the rest of the country can meet socially with confidence again. You don't need vaccine immunity, you just have tiny amount of case numbers which are rapidly and effectively detected and stopped.
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namesake posted:That's not what zero covid is based on. You stop as much activity as possible for a month or so so that the number of unseen transmission is near 0 and then you heavily and effectively monitor and trace cases when they come back again including mandatory monitored quarantines for people travelling into the UK. You'll end up with a few hundred, may be a few thousand people being in quarantine while the rest of the country can meet socially with confidence again. You don't need vaccine immunity, you just have tiny amount of case numbers which are rapidly and effectively detected and stopped. But ... but ... businesses won't make any money for a month! How can that be worth less than human lives?
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