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Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006
Both of my older brothers gave me book recommendations going up. One told me to read the Startide Rising and the other Altus Shrugged. I was like 12 at the time. Luckily I read a cool sci-fi story about geneticist engineered chimps and dolphins at that age instead of getting red pilled.

Guess which brother voted for Bernie and which is MAGA all the way?

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Steezo
Jun 16, 2003
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!


Milo and POTUS posted:

Just read illuminatus trilogy instead

If you dont see the FNORD the FNORD can't hurt you.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Milo and POTUS posted:

Just read illuminatus trilogy instead

This is the right answer.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
This is going to be a weird year.

https://twitter.com/ronbrownstein/status/1349892898133667844?s=21

I’m sure there is no way they support the minimum wage parts or paid leave. But at first glance that tweet will make you do a spit take.

Ah here we go.

quote:

We look forward to working with the new administration and Congress on the details and in ensuring that any additional economic assistance is timely, targeted, and temporary.”

https://www.uschamber.com/press-release/us-chamber-welcomes-president-elect-biden-s-american-rescue-plan

I mean still more positive then I was remotely expecting.

Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jan 15, 2021

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

MazelTovCocktail posted:

I mean still more positive then I was remotely expecting.

Nobody's really seen a competent, coordinated policy rollout for about four years. Donnie never really put in the work or gave a flying gently caress. Democrats never really had one person calling the shot, though maybe that was Pelosi. So, you get the Chamber, and:

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1349880150041780227

https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1349887805976154115

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


https://twitter.com/AbbieRBennett/status/1349765918277197826?s=20



Do you though?

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

"including increasing $600 payments to $2000"

So it sounds like they are indeed going to do $1400 checks. I don't think a single Dem was saying "$1400 checks" before today and GA wad won on promising 2k checks. This will be perceived as being a promise.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Someone in france spread half a million dollars of bitcoin across two dozen US extremist groups at the same time on dec. 8

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-la...-181954668.html

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Best Friends posted:

"including increasing $600 payments to $2000"

So it sounds like they are indeed going to do $1400 checks. I don't think a single Dem was saying "$1400 checks" before today and GA wad won on promising 2k checks. This will be perceived as being a promise.
It was always presented as 600 vs. 2000? So they're going to increase the 600 to 2000, and I assume if you already got a 600, you get an additional 1400. You could probably launch a pundit career on this one though.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Nessus posted:

It was always presented as 600 vs. 2000? So they're going to increase the 600 to 2000, and I assume if you already got a 600, you get an additional 1400. You could probably launch a pundit career on this one though.

Yeah I mean that was in the house bills from the moment Trump sent out his tweet.

bengy81
May 8, 2010

Nessus posted:

It was always presented as 600 vs. 2000? So they're going to increase the 600 to 2000, and I assume if you already got a 600, you get an additional 1400. You could probably launch a pundit career on this one though.

For whatever it's worth, I was under the impression it was always going to be an increase to 2k, not fresh 2k checks.
I hope it can get thru without any shenanigans from anyone.

Notahippie
Feb 4, 2003

Kids, it's not cool to have Shane MacGowan teeth

shame on an IGA posted:

Someone in france spread half a million dollars of bitcoin across two dozen US extremist groups at the same time on dec. 8

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-la...-181954668.html

Not gonna be shocked if that tracks back to a foreign government.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Nessus posted:

It was always presented as 600 vs. 2000? So they're going to increase the 600 to 2000, and I assume if you already got a 600, you get an additional 1400. You could probably launch a pundit career on this one though.

I think very few people heard "$2k checks" as "$1400 checks" and I think it's absurd to pretend it's spinning to say that. I would love to see a quote from a single dem before today explicitly saying "we will send you a $1400 check"

This is going to disappoint a lot of people and look like breaking a promise to a lot of people.

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

Best Friends posted:

I think very few people heard "$2k checks" as "$1400 checks" and I think it's absurd to pretend it's spinning to say that. I would love to see a quote from a single dem before today explicitly saying "we will send you a $1400 check"

This is going to disappoint a lot of people and look like breaking a promise to a lot of people.

It's definitely this.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
I think we’re all being a little pedantic.

Everyone heard stimulus checks were going out. The initial number settled upon was $600.

Then Trump was like “Make it $2000!” And the Dems said “OK let’s go!”

Mitch said no so only the $600 went out.

The GA Dems said “I’m all for $2000.”


If $1400 checks go out next month, I don’t think anyone will hold anyone as breaking any promise.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Thwomp posted:

I think we’re all being a little pedantic.

Everyone heard stimulus checks were going out. The initial number settled upon was $600.

Then Trump was like “Make it $2000!” And the Dems said “OK let’s go!”

Mitch said no so only the $600 went out.

The GA Dems said “I’m all for $2000.”


If $1400 checks go out next month, I don’t think anyone will hold anyone as breaking any promise.

I.... you do know how loving stupid people are, right? And that there's an entire spin machine primed up?

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

Thwomp posted:

I think we’re all being a little pedantic.

Everyone heard stimulus checks were going out. The initial number settled upon was $600.

Then Trump was like “Make it $2000!” And the Dems said “OK let’s go!”

Mitch said no so only the $600 went out.

The GA Dems said “I’m all for $2000.”


If $1400 checks go out next month, I don’t think anyone will hold anyone as breaking any promise.

Then you're not paying attention.



https://twitter.com/SocialistAaron/status/1349885978488549380?s=19

Riot Carol Danvers fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jan 15, 2021

Eason the Fifth
Apr 9, 2020

Shameful admission: I actually read The Fountainhead on a 2003 deployment because it was one of like three books in the MWR hooch

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Thwomp posted:

I think we’re all being a little pedantic.

Everyone heard stimulus checks were going out. The initial number settled upon was $600.

Then Trump was like “Make it $2000!” And the Dems said “OK let’s go!”

Mitch said no so only the $600 went out.

The GA Dems said “I’m all for $2000.”


If $1400 checks go out next month, I don’t think anyone will hold anyone as breaking any promise.

Yeah I was never under the impression anybody was pushing for an additional $2000 instead of $1400. I read the proposed bill, though.

I wouldn’t turn it down. It’ll just be a nice surprise.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Fallom posted:

Yeah I was never under the impression anybody was pushing for an additional $2000 instead of $1400. I read the proposed bill, though.

I wouldn’t turn it down. It’ll just be a nice surprise.
Maybe we can ask Trump if he'd make it $2600?

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.
https://twitter.com/mustachetoilet/status/1349824192296861696?s=19

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

Nessus posted:

Maybe we can ask Trump if he'd make it $2600?

too bad he is permabanned from somethingawful twitter

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



ElMaligno posted:

too bad he is permabanned from somethingawful twitter
I know it was probably someone doing a bit, but I wonder...

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

One Fourteen of those $100 coupons for mail-order wine.

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this
600 in december followed by 1400 in february is a longer stretch than the average person's attention span. I think there will be some grumbling but I don't expect a lot of pushback outside of Sean Hannity whining about the dumbdumb democrats lying what with their facts and logic.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Godholio posted:

One Fourteen of those $100 coupons for mail-order wine.

It will also include the perceived cash value of a "15% off Olive Garden with purchase of two entree's" coupon

As Nero Danced posted:

600 in december followed by 1400 in february is a longer stretch than the average person's attention span. I think there will be some grumbling but I don't expect a lot of pushback outside of Sean Hannity whining about the dumbdumb democrats lying what with their facts and logic.


What do you think constitutes "pushback"? yea no one is gonna turn down an extra 1400$ and the main stream media apparatus isn't gonna say anything about it, but presidential and congressional campaigns have been sunk for far stupider reasons than being perceived as "untrustworthy"

Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Jan 15, 2021

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


https://twitter.com/glubold/status/1349875610324246533?s=20

I realize things might have changed from the late-00s but it was my understanding that Israel didn't want to be in the "Arab command" that was CENTCOM compared to EUCOM where good European Jews came from

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

Sacrist65 posted:

I tried, but I still dont GET what gamergate was about. I think it started with a "games journalist's" girlfriend's bad game getting a good review and that spawned the alt right?

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Nick Soapdish posted:

https://twitter.com/glubold/status/1349875610324246533?s=20

I realize things might have changed from the late-00s but it was my understanding that Israel didn't want to be in the "Arab command" that was CENTCOM compared to EUCOM where good European Jews came from

I don’t really get why that’s so hard to undo; it’s as easy to change in one direction as it is in the other. “Hey all that poo poo you guys have been doing for the last five days? Pitch it and go back to last year’s stuff.” Or make it new again if they irretrievably destroyed everything that was there before; they’re only wasting a week.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the people at the Pentagon have learned how to slow-walk things by the time they got to that level.

"MAJ Dickless, I need you to get with all the shops and get me a report by the end of next week on the second and third-order effects of this move."

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Defenestrategy posted:

What do you think constitutes "pushback"? yea no one is gonna turn down an extra 1400$ and the main stream media apparatus isn't gonna say anything about it, but presidential and congressional campaigns have been sunk for far stupider reasons than being perceived as "untrustworthy"

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1349864653380268032

At least with Democrats controlling the floor (nominally), some of this poo poo can get piecemealed or thrown into a reconciliation bill, rather than bottled up because Republicans Senators don't even want to take the vote.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Dude obviously sang like the Red Army Chorus immediately and he's already facing state charges IIRC.

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

Hopefully they realize that with as bad as Covid is getting there's really no downside to going overboard with the response so long as it finally winds the pandemic down. If they try to do the minimum and end up failing to "get us back to normal" then no one is going to remember/care how badly Trump hosed up the initial response when they're in the poll booth in 22/24.

Time Crisis Actor
Apr 28, 2002

by Hand Knit
Hey, whatever happened to Jacob Wohl?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Time Crisis Actor posted:

Hey, whatever happened to Jacob Wohl?

Senpai never noticed him.

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Time Crisis Actor posted:

Hey, whatever happened to Jacob Wohl?

He's been banned from pretty much every major social network.

Also, he got caught running fraudulent robocall campaigns to intimidate voters during the 2020 election season, and has been indicted on felony charges in both Ohio and Michigan. Barring a last-minute pardon, that's probably going to put him away for five to ten. (That's in addition to the felony securities fraud charges from 2019 that he's also awaiting trial for.)

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

German Federal government is seriously discussing (i.e. government statements have already been issued, which generally happens as an early-warning) shutting down public transportation and long-distance travel for individual states with high infection rates.
Considering how hard everyone loves to nibble on the big ol' economy-Schwanz, that's actually a huge indicator of how shitlessly-scared our politicians are of the two new mutations that have found their way to Germany now.

Speaking of new mutations, what's the US policy for incoming travelers? Mandatory tests are already happening, I assume, but are people tested for the UK/RSA-strain already? Because over here, only 0,5% of all administered tests check for the new mutations, and the extrapolated infection rate is pretty alarming.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones
International travelers must have proof of a negative test last I heard

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
if i was not already in the US there is no god damned way i would travel here

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lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

facialimpediment posted:

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1349864653380268032

At least with Democrats controlling the floor (nominally), some of this poo poo can get piecemealed or thrown into a reconciliation bill, rather than bottled up because Republicans Senators don't even want to take the vote.

Think the first priority is to just get money out and into peoples hands instead of sitting around arguing with Republicans. Its not 2k but it will get out and help. It looked like there was also a lot of other aid in that bill that would help as well I hope. If they catch poo poo for this I'm fine with it because they are trying to do the right thing and support the bottom.

This is still doing exactly what they said they would do, the 1400 was tacked on to the last bill to total 2k. They have brought that 1400 and added in a bunch more. What exactly are people prioritizing, just taking a very superficial and literal interpretation of their call for 2k or passing a bill that tops up the total from the last month to 2k, adding in a bunch of other support and hopefully getting the support required to pass it? Of course it should be larger but I think holding out for more will do more damage then just getting this support out.

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