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Florida Man is constantly being frustrated and obstructed in his misguided attempts to lead a life he mistakenly thinks he has. So I would say No.
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Joe Slowboat posted:Mottom's well aware. She just finally took Allison's advice and got over it. Also, idiocy is not Royalty, as evidenced by the large number of dead fools.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Nah, Mottom has just swapped "being shown a coward" for "dying" on the list of things she's most afraid of. She's still grasping at victory and ego. Idiocy isn't, but damning the consequences is a key component of it. Nobody ever said 'ego' wasn't part of Royalty, either, as far as I'm aware. Grasping, yes, but that's not the same thing. Mottom here is echoing the literal words of Zoss, I don't think we're supposed to read this as a lateral move in terms of her self-actualization (which is also why I think this is a death flag).
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Mottom clearly isn't afraid to go down hard in a real fight with something approaching an equal, in fact she kinda craves it, she just doesn't wanna get shanked by one of her courtiers the way she did her ex
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Mottom clearly isn't afraid to go down hard in a real fight with something approaching an equal, in fact she kinda craves it, she just doesn't wanna get shanked by one of her courtiers the way she did her ex No, she clearly stated she was terrified of Jagganoth back in the palace. Mottom has changed as a person due to Allison giving her a rude awakening, and that change is what we're seeing here.
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Ok I guess in a sense she's afraid of everything - Jagganoth, rotting forever in her palace, giving that up - but there's very clearly a heirarchy of those fears she's itching for a chance to face on her own terms and those she just shuts down and runs away from. There's a reason she let that king dude come right up to her and take his shot before talking to Allison, she certainly didn't have to; there's a reason she was the one to kill her husband the psycho god-emperor with nothing but a knife; there's a reason that until this scene she was the only one to directly attack another demiurge. It isn't as much of a break in character as you're making out that she came at the head of her army to throw down with Mammon's secretary.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Ok I guess in a sense she's afraid of everything - Jagganoth, rotting forever in her palace, giving that up - but there's very clearly a heirarchy of those fears she's itching for a chance to face on her own terms and those she just shuts down and runs away from. There's a reason she let that king dude come right up to her and take his shot before talking to Allison, she certainly didn't have to; there's a reason she was the one to kill her husband the psycho god-emperor with nothing but a knife; there's a reason that until this scene she was the only one to directly attack another demiurge. It isn't as much of a break in character as you're making out that she came at the head of her army to throw down with Mammon's secretary. Pryan Sor posed literally no threat to her whatsoever; her actions with Mammon were directly a result of Allison's actions. Mottom's character arc has been building to this since that moment Allison slapped her and burned the tree, which is why the exact same words from that sequence are being repeated! It's not a break in characterization it's development. She has changed! It's good writing! She's never been afraid to get her hands dirty, but she's been terrified of losing everything she fought so hard to gain, and unable to face the prospect of mortality. Then Allison stumbles along, tells her 'everybody dies' and turns down immortality (which Mottom can't imagine ever doing) and not only that but makes Mottom mortal again as well. Mottom has been coming to terms with her own impending death, and that's freed her from the prison she was hiding in - she nationalized her guilds and crushed her courtiers, something she could have done centuries ago if she'd had the push. She started the Universal War again - the thing she was most terrified of - because she's realized that death is inevitable (insert wizard here) and now her fear isn't controlling her utterly. E: Jagganoth was definitive of the fears she ran away from, the very reason she was in a gilded cage to maintain the Pact of the Seven-Part World. She's the one who said all along that he was going to kill them all eventually. But now she's choosing to face him when it seems pointless, instead of retreating for however long before he finishes her off like Mammon suggests. Joe Slowboat fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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Jan 14, 2021 08:35
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Yeah this is us getting to see he end results of Mottom's character development first hand and it's a good moment. That's the gist of what Joe Slowboat's saying.
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Did Mottom even hear the conversation this is calling back to? I thought that was between Alison and Zoss.
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Maybe it was part of the Intro to Godhood class taught by Professor Zoss 2000 years ago
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shirts and skins posted:Did Mottom even hear the conversation this is calling back to? I thought that was between Alison and Zoss. who knows how talking with the Conquering King in your head works, but it doesn't matter because stylistically quoting the conversation is cool and drives home the point
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shirts and skins posted:Did Mottom even hear the conversation this is calling back to? I thought that was between Alison and Zoss. The difference between peasants and kings already fits into the way Mottom thinks about the world so I think it's just a parallel train of thought.
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Lasting Damage posted:who knows how talking with the Conquering King in your head works, but it doesn't matter because stylistically quoting the conversation is cool and drives home the point She also may have actually met Zoss, given he says 'she always was a whiner' - but yeah I think the extradiegetic explanation makes the most sense here.
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It could very well be an in-universe common idiom for demiurges: the Throne equivalent of "Cowboy up"
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I think Zoss likes to give that ultimatum to everyone he meets, in the hope someone truly chooses king. So he can gently caress off the wheel and enjoy drinks on a florida beach.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:I think Zoss likes to give that ultimatum to everyone he meets, in the hope someone truly chooses king. Royalty is a continuous relaxing motion
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TwoPair posted:Royalty is a continuous relaxing motion Chill Six Billion Demons
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Mottom was in the room when Zoss gave Allison the "Peasant or King" speech. Later on, Incubus was able to see Zoss's ghost in Allison's head, so it's possible that Mottom was able to see or hear Zoss back then as well.
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jng2058 posted:Mottom was in the room when Zoss gave Allison the "Peasant or King" speech. Later on, Incubus was able to see Zoss's ghost in Allison's head, so it's possible that Mottom was able to see or hear Zoss back then as well. incubus was in allisons head when he saw zoss in there, mottom was not
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The correct choice is actually peasant.
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jsoh posted:incubus was in allisons head when he saw zoss in there, mottom was not Sure, but they all have weird powers of various sorts above and beyond access to their keys. Mottom having Sight Beyond Sight or somesuch wouldn't be particularly unusual compared to Precognition, Time Stop Kung Fu, or Made of Infinite Worms. 
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Mottom's thing is that she's a really really ridiculously good wizard.
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jng2058 posted:Sure, but they all have weird powers of various sorts above and beyond access to their keys. Mottom having Sight Beyond Sight or somesuch wouldn't be particularly unusual compared to Precognition, Time Stop Kung Fu, or Made of Infinite Worms. Sight Beyond Sight is very canonically Jadis' deal. It's why she's in a block of crystal and desperately wishing to die.
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wiegieman posted:Mottom's thing is that she's a really really ridiculously good wizard. Neddy Seagoon posted:Sight Beyond Sight is very canonically Jadis' deal. It's why she's in a block of crystal and desperately wishing to die. True Seeing is a classic wizard spell. And "Magic: I ain't gotta explain poo poo" could certainly apply to Mottom seeing Zoss there. 
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I think if we need a diegetic explanation I'm going to completely bullshit that Zoss' words echoed through the entire palace subconsciously from whatever weird phantom zone he's hanging out in. Mottom is incredibly attuned to those things, but still didn't realize it was Zoss because she was busy having an actual crisis.
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If Mottom had seen or heard Zoss she would have lost her drat mind. He's the only person she fears more than Jagganoth
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Who What Now posted:If Mottom had seen or heard Zoss she would have lost her drat mind. He's the only person she fears more than Jagganoth She did lose her drat mind. She went on a rampage through her own city then panicked and attacked her closest ally because she suspected Allison was breaking into his place.
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nimby posted:The correct choice is actually peasant. This is true. Zoss chose King, spent x000 years trying to make that work, and concluded that he should hand the power of god to the most powerless person he could find
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Basically every king who matters in this story is a very old being ruling through sheer personal power over any sort of preeexisting legal framework, t's not a stretch that multiple people would use the word as a stand-in for "badass".
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Maybe Zoss just gave that speech a bunch of different times.
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jng2058 posted:She did lose her drat mind. She went on a rampage through her own city then panicked and attacked her closest ally because she suspected Allison was breaking into his place. Right, because Allison destroyed the only thing Mottom thought could keep her alive. Not because she saw Zoss
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Phy posted:Chill, Six Billion Demons
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Tulip posted:Maybe Zoss just gave that speech a bunch of different times. Zoss could of been the one encouraging Mottom to kill her husband in the first place. Many of the current demiurges started from nothing; the 'cycle' Zoss is refering to could be him encouraging them to grab power for themselves, only to be dissapointed when they fail to create something beyond the cycle of violence that he finds himself trapped in.
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TBH being very chill is probably an excellent path to Royalty. Getting drunk probably isn't, though.
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I mean Yisun’s whole thing was lying and smiling a bunch of different ways. Seems pretty chill to me
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Smiling in the 69th way Breathing in the 420th manner
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https://twitter.com/Orbitaldropkick/status/1350294599160500224 I want that last panel on the side of a van
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