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The mercury one is amusing because almost everyone over a certain age will remember having mercurochrome rubbed into minor wounds, which has an order of magnitude or two* more organomercury than vaccines and isn't widely sold anymore, yet vaccines something something massive recent increase in autism. Also I bet they eat seafood. * 100 is 1 x 102 Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Endjinneer posted:One of the strange things about the anti-vaccine movement is that people in different countries have different reasons for opposing vaccination. It's autism in the UK, supposed mercury content in the US... Almost like there's an innate level of fear that need something to coalesce around. I thought it was the same in the UK and the USA, the idea was the mercury caused the autism?
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Isn't the reason for anti-vaxers worldwide just idiocy?
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Jan 15, 2021 18:46
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I thought it was because Bill Gates put a microchip in the vaccine that turns you into a Jaffa?
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keep punching joe posted:I thought it was because Bill Gates put a microchip in the vaccine that turns you into a Jaffa? 
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Jan 15, 2021 18:55
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Oh, I thought you meant the cake.
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Jan 15, 2021 18:56
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kree, jaffa! 
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Oh, I thought you meant the biscuit.
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So mandatory quarantine when entering the country after just under a year of global pandemic. No poo poo, dickwads
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Dead Goon posted:Isn't the reason for anti-vaxers worldwide just idiocy? For a lot of people it's idiocy, for others it's that desperate pattern-matching thing you do when suffering from grief, and for others it's a different kind of idiocy, a particularly obnoxious and dangerous kayfabe where they don't actually believe, but are prepared to gamble with the health of their and other's kids because it gives them a sense of superiority over the normies
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marktheando posted:I thought it was the same in the UK and the USA, the idea was the mercury caused the autism? https://www.msdmanuals.com/en-gb/professional/pediatrics/childhood-vaccination/anti-vaccination-movement quote:Wakefield postulated that the measles virus in the MMR vaccine traveled to the intestine where it caused inflammation, enabling proteins from the GI tract to enter the bloodstream, travel to the brain, and cause autism. This study received significant media attention worldwide, and many parents began to doubt the safety of the MMR vaccine. In another study, Wakefield claimed to find the measles virus in intestinal biopsy specimens of 75 of 90 children with autism and in only 5 of 70 control patients, leading to speculation that the live measles virus in the MMR vaccine was somehow implicated in autism. In parts of the global south the conspiracy theory is that vaccination is a covert sterilisation project and in parts of the global brainbroke vaccination is seen as Bill Gates trying to put microchips in you.
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sassassin posted:Anyone understand the ICO's data protection payment racket? I think we have to pay them as we do technically keep names, some qualifications of contractors and the occasional contact number on file as part of contract documentation we produce (which is shared with contractors and clients), and I guess that falls outside their broad list of exceptions (staff admin, accounts, own marketing and pr etc.) but I'm not sure if it counts as data or processing or whatever. We don't use any CCTV. I feel your pain. I did the ICO self-assessment quiz thing about 3 years ago and the outcome was I didn't need to register as I did not have any sort of email signups or logins on my website and any such data* I kept was purely to perform the contract and satisfy professional indemnity insurance. No 'processing', no newsletters etc. Then I read some posts from others in my line of business on facebook on this topic and emailed ICO to confirm. Many months later they replied saying that as there was a contact email address on my website (for prospective clients to contact me), then I had to register for this! A single, sole, solitary contact email address (I don't put my phone number on there and don't use a contact form.) Now, whether they didn't read my email properly as I have found many 'first line of response' customer service people seem not to do - as in sending a generic response that has picked up two words in your whole email and bear no relationship to the question you asked, or whether it is correct I do not know. I haven't done anything yet as I haven't done any work in that business for a year now (covid etc) so it would be yet more money forked out against zero income. I terminated membership of a professional organisation for the same reason - $200 p.a. for registration and repeated demands for more and more credentialing including $300 for recredentialing the exact same credentials they had already approved 5 years earlier. (*I do know that 'data' includes paper records not just electronic records.) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Wachter posted:for others it's a different kind of idiocy, a particularly obnoxious and dangerous kayfabe where they don't actually believe, but ... because it gives them a sense of superiority over the normies
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Oh, I thought you meant the cake. The 5G nanomachines have a diagnostic marker where they cause anyone they have infected to flip their memory of the Jaffa VAT ruling between biscuits and cakes.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I feel your pain. I did the ICO self-assessment quiz thing about 3 years ago and the outcome was I didn't need to register as I did not have any sort of email signups or logins on my website and any such data* I kept was purely to perform the contract and satisfy professional indemnity insurance. No 'processing', no newsletters etc. FSC certification is the big timber industry scam. Expensive logo that gets more expensive every year, a lot of extra paperwork to complete to satisfy their audits, and most companies proudly declaring it are only committed to "mixed sources" which tells the customer next to nothing about the provenance and sustainability of the timber they're buying (which is supposedly the whole point of the scheme) as it means only a designated percentage of what they buy will be to the published standards. The rest can be illegal rainforest plunder or whatever, you can't know. The chain of custody requirement meant that once a couple of the big companies took it on everyone had to get on board with it. The auditors are the only people coming out ahead. Just going to pay these people for their amazing service, whatever it is. Not worth the time or hassle to argue with them (which is what they're counting on, obviously).
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ISO 9001 compliant quality management is required for a lot of public sector contracts. It's just as noble an idea as your FSC certification, but in practice the auditors are happy to only look at what you want to show them and it's less representative of capability than the scouts' circus skills badge.
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prince2 public sector IT shite makes me want to drive my car into the sea tbh
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Endjinneer posted:I think it's a separate thing. Amusingly* Wakefield is back in action on COVID to reverse over his plausibility in case it wasn't already fully dead. https://mobile.twitter.com/skepticalraptor/status/1349507545057161216 * not that amusing actually
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The people who are scared about strands of genetic material going inside their cells are going to hate how the virus works.
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Guavanaut posted:The people who are scared about strands of genetic material going inside their cells are going to hate how the virus works. Yes but it's okay when God does it
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He looks more like a reconstituted Nick Griffin
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Endjinneer posted:
Given US experimentation on african-americans with syphilis etc, and I'm sure elsewhere eg in Africa but I don't have any specifics without googling, and so on, that doesn't surprise me and is understandable that they should be suspicious. Tuskegee: https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm Some experiments in Africa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_experimentation_in_Africa
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Clare Craig is another covid truther doctor and also absolutely awful. https://mobile.twitter.com/DrDomPimenta/status/1348708780545089545
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Dead Goon posted:Isn't the reason for anti-vaxers worldwide just idiocy? I think for the most part (leaving aside conmen and charlatans) I think the medical knowledge of most people is pretty poor and this transfers over to how well they trust the medical profession, amplified if theres recent scandals.
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I mean even ITT there were people saying they wouldn't trust a vaccine towards the end of last year
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GUBERMINT WANT TO DUM ME DOWN AND TURN ME INTA A HOMASECSHAL WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP 
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Got to admit I was a bit wary when the UK rushed to approve that vaccine, but now that some not-stupid countries have approved it I am reassured.
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crispix posted:GUBERMINT WANT TO DUM ME DOWN AND TURN ME INTA A HOMASECSHAL WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP Homeschooling is advised for children with autism due to the negative effects of large class sizes, especially if the other children also have disorders affecting behavior. Just children with autism though adults generally learn how to deal with it.
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Julio Cruz posted:I mean even ITT there were people saying they wouldn't trust a vaccine towards the end of last year I think that was probably because the words vaccine were coming out of the mouths of Tories. Supported by the state of the lunches and PPE debacles, it's not fair to hold it against people thinking that the vaccines were likely just scooped up from the Thames so that some Tory Mate could make a few million quid pocket money. In short Tories endanger civilisation due to merely existing.
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Being independently verified by other countries (and not developed in the UK) makes me significantly more inclined to trust them than I would anything the UK led with.
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Kin posted:I think that was probably because the words vaccine were coming out of the mouths of Tories. that's kind of what I mean though, people were acting as if the vaccine was going to be personally developed by Matt Hancock and Michael Gove, rather than a group of world-class research scientists in somewhere called Oxford
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This weekly food bullshit is literally loving insane. I was sitting just reading what you all posted, like 1 can if beans for a week. It's so infuriating. And yet these fucks will point fingers at China and go "well over there it's worse so stfu and reserve your half tin of beans for Thursday". Wow. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Jan 15, 2021 22:26
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It's a bloody shambles. It makes as much sense as your posting, op
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:And yet these fucks will point fingers at China and go "well over there it's worse so stfu and reserve your half tin of beans for Thursday". its purestrain FYGM, I imagine it's the same people who give us stories like 'spike in holiday bookings from older people near the front of the queue for vaccinations'
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Julio Cruz posted:I mean even ITT there were people saying they wouldn't trust a vaccine towards the end of last year This was probably me. I was saying I wanted more data before I made a decision as this was before any had been certified and just after the AZ trial looked to have been fudged. Now the data is public and several million people have had them it's looking good and I'm happy to have one in Feb or whenever the group 4s get them. Lungboy fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Guavanaut posted:The mercury one is amusing because almost everyone over a certain age will remember having mercurochrome rubbed into minor wounds, which has an order of magnitude or two* more organomercury than vaccines and isn't widely sold anymore, yet vaccines something something massive recent increase in autism. As a nurse of a certain age, I can remember mercury thermometers. They were fragile and easily broken. Chasing round liquid mercury with a paper towel and a dustpan and then dumping in a sharps bin happened a lot. A huge amount in all the hospitals up and down the UK until the late 90s. I'm probably an old reactionary fucker but I miss the mercury thermometer and the mercury sphygnomanometer. The mercury sphyg was a beautiful instrument. If you were good you didn't need a stethoscope, you could do it by the twitch of the mercury, Most health care professionals nowadays don't even know the unit a blood pressure is measured in. I feel the need to talk about central venous pressure and drip stands and cm of H20 and an x. I will stop and admit I am old and it doesn't matter.
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Julio Cruz posted:that's kind of what I mean though, people were acting as if the vaccine was going to be personally developed by Matt Hancock and Michael Gove, rather than a group of world-class research scientists in somewhere called Oxford Well it's all about trust and oversight, right? I have no doubt that the underlying research is sound, but the marketing, distribution, and policy implementation isn't conducted by Oxford scientists, it's conducted by politicians - some of whom have no credibility.
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Private Speech posted:I always go by Estonia being non-slav hence closer to Finland Private Speech posted:e: Also according to the NHS it has some further implications you can't opt out of, namely: farcry posted:I work for one of the big food retailers on nights. This entire list is broken as standard. Yeah, this. The hospitality places I'd worked for would lol at that list - it's been a while, but I recall doing a couple 13-day stretches without a day off, some 12+ hour days and multiple closing/opening shifts with <11 hours in-between at the very least.
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mr_jolly posted:What if the 25 year old who works in media communications has underlying health isssues, lives with someone who does or lives with an elderly relative? Yes it does. They do not provide direct patient care and they will not spread the virus around to vulnerable patients. It is not about being worthy it about preventing the spread of the virus and killing people. It is not about worth, it is about providing safe health care. My personal feeling about your worth have nothing to do with it.
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