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If the 1992 Royal Rumble match is the best, what’s the second best?
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Jan 15, 2021 19:22
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britishbornandbread posted:If the 1992 Royal Rumble match is the best, what’s the second best? The 1992 Rumble which is not as good as the 2008 Rumble. The 1992 Rumble doesn't even make sense you have a face Hogan eliminating Sid, what was up with that??
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Jan 15, 2021 19:25
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MassRafTer posted:The 1992 Rumble which is not as good as the 2008 Rumble. The 1992 Rumble doesn't even make sense you have a face Hogan eliminating Sid, what was up with that?? Not quite as baffling as having heel Flair go over an hour and end up looking like a babyface at the end
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Jan 15, 2021 19:52
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britishbornandbread posted:If the 1992 Royal Rumble match is the best, what’s the second best? My personal top ten: 10. 1993 9. 2010 8. 1996 7. 2003 6. 2018 (men's) 5. 2004 4. 1992 3. 1990 2. 2007 1. 2001
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Jan 15, 2021 19:59
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My favorite part of 1992 was Jake Roberts entering, then spending every entrance thereafter going to the ramp and checking to see if the next guy was Randy Savage. Then Savage finally appears and Jake is gone by the time he gets there
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Jan 15, 2021 20:08
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Obviously the rankings are 1. The Greatest Royal Rumble (it had 50 superstars!) 2. 2011 (40 superstars!) 3-33: All of the rest of them 34. 1988 (20 superstars, pathetic)
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Jan 15, 2021 20:18
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Price Check posted:Yeah, this is a great point and true across a lot of wrestling. Flair and Steamboat had, supposedly, hundreds of house show matches before their famous series in 1989. Guys had a chance to work each other a lot and that probably evens out the difficulty of calling it in the ring. The "Road To..." tags on NJPW shows seem to serve a similar function now. Guys have a chance to get in there together, works a few spots, get a feel for what crowds like or don't like before their big singles match at the end of the tour. On the other hand, you have Flair telling George South (a great jobber in his own right, as in an actual talent) "Tonight, you're gonna be Ricky Steamboat" and then he went and had a near 15 minute match with him on tv, across an advertising break. All because he was angry with Dusty for having to work that night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ih_V2VM3Y Flair didn't get that reputation for calling it in the ring for nothing. My favourite bit of the story, and I hope its true, is that Dusty was fuming mad and in the break was yelling at Flair demanding an explanation and Flair just goes "I can't beat a guy like George South in 2 minutes, you know that"
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Jan 15, 2021 20:23
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We’re watching 2001 now and halfway through. All that hardcore trash in the first half and the insistence on making it Rock v Kane for ages brings this down. My partner and I decided to do a shot of Amoretto for every dead wrestler and only done one so far for Brian Christopher. Roll on Eddie/Test/Eddie, I’m sobering up.
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Jan 15, 2021 20:43
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So you're watching Royal Rumbles in the 2000s, and taking a shot every time you see a dead guy? Or for every wrestling that died that year? If it's the latter, I'm glad you're not drinking anything full-proof.
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Jan 15, 2021 20:58
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I love the 2010 Rumble personally, it's got so many different things going for it: Straight Edge Savior CM Punk dominating the first fifteen minutes or so and cutting promos between eliminations, a really fun Beth Phoenix/Khali spot, a really great run from HBK trying to get his shot at the Undertaker, and a fun surprise return/winner. Well worth the time to check it out if you haven't seen it.
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Jan 15, 2021 21:03
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Halloween Jack posted:So you're watching Royal Rumbles in the 2000s, and taking a shot every time you see a dead guy? Or for every wrestling that died that year? If it's the latter, I'm glad you're not drinking anything full-proof. We are just doing it for 2001 and for every dead wrestler who comes out. About so thirds in and had four shots, and one was Howard Finkel announcing!
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Jan 15, 2021 21:06
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Edge & Christian posted:Obviously the rankings are - 1988's Rumble is great because of Harley Race's rope-swing selling. - 1992 is one of the best in spite of the Hogan/Sid miscalculation. Even watching Flair's run, you had no idea who would win. - 1995 sucks, except that I love the camera angle that gives a viewpoint of the entrant, which I don't think they used again. - 1994 was good, because the finish worked (for me), and the Diesel run was great. - I love '96, even though I think it lacked in star power, and is generally not popular. - '97 was a little messy, and was really lacking in star power, but it really made Austin and Bret look like a million dollars, and led to the amazing 'Final Four' match. - Recent Rumbles have sucked for me, because of the horrible camera work, and because of the insistence on comedy poo poo stuffed in. - '90 is fun, mostly because the crowd was insane and screamed for everything, even elimination teases. (I had to come back and correct myself; seriously, go look up this match. The crowd was loving into this show.) Any Rumble where people leave for a long time and come back is bullshit and hurts the match. Red fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Jan 15, 2021 21:08
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I'm a big fan of 2005 just for the finish. They managed to botch into the perfect tandem finish, and then Vince busted his quads. I know nothing about the rest of that Rumble.
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Jan 16, 2021 00:17
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2004 is arguably the best, but it's obviously a lot harder to watch now for a lot of people. And it has what's probably the best Royal Rumble match finish, which I was told at the time was Big Show's idea. (And the attempts at re-doing it after Benoit killed himself and his family were never as good as the original.) 2006 is probably the one with the most promise that disappointed the most. So for most people, badly booked finish aside, 1992 is probably stil the best.
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Jan 16, 2021 05:27
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davidbix posted:2006 is probably the one with the most promise that disappointed the most. At the time, 2006 was really cool in a "are they really doing this?" way. With rewatches, it's only average.
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Jan 16, 2021 05:56
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Gavok posted:My personal top ten: im glad you listed 2018 b/c i think it gets overlooked a lot due to the general badness of the company at the time. heath slater getting dominated by all the entrants at the start then snap eliminating sheamus is unironically one of my favourite spots. and pretty good surprises w/ andrade, cole, and rey mysterio, and nakamura was a great pick for a winner even though they, yknow, hosed that one up.
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Jan 16, 2021 06:43
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davidbix posted:2004 is arguably the best, but it's obviously a lot harder to watch now for a lot of people. And it has what's probably the best Royal Rumble match finish, which I was told at the time was Big Show's idea. (And the attempts at re-doing it after Benoit killed himself and his family were never as good as the original.) Yeah, that Rumble made Benoit look like the toughest wrestler on the planet, but I think people forget that it actually made Big Show look like a threat too, which is quite startling when you consider how often they've bungled him pretty much since his debut. Love the image of highly respected wrestling wizard Kurt Angle coralling everyone from both brands to try and eliminate Show, and they STILL all fail. When Benoit eventually managed it singlehandedly, after having already been in there for over an hour, it made for an even more epic finish. Shame about what happened later making it nigh unwatchable for a lot of people. 
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Jan 16, 2021 11:12
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Maybe I’m being harsh but what makes 2001 so good? There’s incredible star power by all means, but the hardcore trash fest at the beginning was really jarring, unnecessary blood from Austin and people being tossed quickly to make it Rock v Kane one on one for too long. I did enjoy the Scotty 2 Hotty apprehension walking down to face Taker and Kane though, that got a laugh. It was not a bad rumble, at all. It’s just I didn’t see any real memorable spots other than the joke Drew Carey one. Having said that, four shots of spirits were enough,along with my other beers. Very hungover this morning. My turn to pick a rumble next so going to go with 08.
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Jan 16, 2021 11:20
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Oh God, I forgot about Austin seeming to blade THE BACK OF HIS HEAD. 
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Jan 16, 2021 11:23
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2001 WWF is often romanticized as "the end of the Attitude Era" (read: the end of your childhood), so Austin winning the Rumble one last time and facing Rock at Mania, at the absolute climax of their rivalry, has a lot of built-in goodwill that lends itself well to nostalgic viewings. I wouldn't call it the best Rumble, but it made a ton of storyline sense at the time.
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Jan 16, 2021 12:47
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When Austin/Rock's eyes meet for the first time in 01 is one of the most electric things to have happened in a rumble (but maybe my memory has exaggerated it). Also hilariously recreated with Cena/Orton a decade later with the crowd not giving a single poo poo at all.
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Jan 16, 2021 13:40
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The Austin Rock locking eyes and the crowd/commentary reacting to it was great. That’s fair, I should have mentioned that. I think I’ve since watched the x7 main event so many times that perhaps it lessened the effect. Good post above about attitude era/end of childhood nostalgia. I think 99 was the best year of WWF purely as I was twelve and watching Raw every week on a Friday here in the UK, but no way do I want to go back now and rewatch Road Dogg v Goldust. The past is a strange place.
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Jan 16, 2021 13:44
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I watched the 1990 royal rumble last night and it was really good. You get DBiase, Savage, Roberts and Piper in early and dominating the first half of the match, then Andre, Demolition and Hogan/warrior/rude and perfect anchoring the back half. It was cool to see star power sustained throughout. I could have done without Hogan winning, but the stakes weren’t the same back then. I think the Wrestlemania title shot stipulation has really hampered the booking of these matches.
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Jan 16, 2021 14:32
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TheKingslayer posted:That might have been Austin that said he didn't hear so good. I can't find the particular clip but I remember him mentioning not being able to hear guys a few times and usually called the match. That's what I meant. Apologies for not phrasing it correctly. It's led me to wonder if Austin has hearing issues or if he has audio processing issues but doesn't know what that is.
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Jan 16, 2021 15:05
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davidbix posted:2004 is arguably the best, but it's obviously a lot harder to watch now for a lot of people. And it has what's probably the best Royal Rumble match finish, which I was told at the time was Big Show's idea. (And the attempts at re-doing it after Benoit killed himself and his family were never as good as the original.) 2004 is great, things aside, but I aggressively hate anything that has to do with Brock/Goldberg feuds, so that hurts it a bit for me.
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Jan 16, 2021 15:48
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Which Rumble had Ax and Smash as the first two entrants, so they just shrugged and started beating the poo poo out of each other?
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Jan 16, 2021 15:59
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Which Rumble had Ax and Smash as the first two entrants, so they just shrugged and started beating the poo poo out of each other? 1989. Andre at 3. Lovely stuff.
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Jan 16, 2021 16:59
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Aphrodite posted:I'm a big fan of 2005 just for the finish. Three other things of note: - Paul London dying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAHLw-TZ3kE (video quality sucks, but you get the point) - Benoit/Eddie/Bob Holly shooting on Daniel Puder - Flair almost-but-not-quite turning on Batista I like the '05 Rumble.
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Jan 16, 2021 17:40
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britishbornandbread posted:Maybe I’m being harsh but what makes 2001 so good? There’s incredible star power by all means, but the hardcore trash fest at the beginning was really jarring, unnecessary blood from Austin and people being tossed quickly to make it Rock v Kane one on one for too long. I did enjoy the Scotty 2 Hotty apprehension walking down to face Taker and Kane though, that got a laugh. It's a strongly-paced, not so obvious, entertaining hour that takes advantage from the fact that it's during the creative high-point of WWF's existence with a killer roster. I'll just post what I had in my "ranking every Royal Rumble" article. quote:People always hold the Attitude Era in such high regard and revisiting it, it’s definitely something seen with rose-tinted glasses. Hell, look at how low years ’98-’00 have ranked on this list. The WrestleManias weren’t so hot either. But that final year was pretty magical. At the very least, the last few months. WWF was at a creative high point with possibly the best talent they’ve ever had while WCW and ECW were laid out in a hospice. WrestleMania X-7 is celebrated as the big finale to the Attitude Era that hits the landing, but the Royal Rumble match that leads into it is just as wonderful. While I'm at it, here are my top 10 worst Rumble matches. Not counting stuff from 2020, as I haven't updated the piece since before then. 10. 2011 9. 2014 8. 2019 (women's) 7. 1991 6. 2012 5. 1999 4. 1994 3. Greatest 2. 1988 1. 2015
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Jan 16, 2021 23:30
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Yeah, the 2001 Rumble holds up due to excellent pacing, and clear sections of the match. You start with the Hardys to get the crowd into it, some comedy stuff with Drew Carey, KANE!!!, the Honky Tonk Man who comes in, sings a song, gets decked and gets eliminated, the hardcore level, and so on, with occasional well-placed breaks and really well-done spots like Taker and Kane hanging out in the ring, and Scotty II Hotty making his entrance looking terrified as he heads to the ring. The 2000 Rumble was a great show with a stand-out match in HHH v. Cactus Jack, but the actual Rumble match itself was a bit poo poo (and made even worse by Lawler being gross and racist about Taka's injury to the point where JR is clearly pissed with him). And since the 2005 Rumble's been brought up, the Muhammad Hassan bit is disgusting and racist bullshit and can gently caress off.
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Jan 17, 2021 00:21
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AlmightyPants posted:I remember from some interview somewhere that Omega talked over the match layout for his dome match with Okada with the Bucks, and their reaction was "holy poo poo, that's the match of the year". I doubt it was move by move for 48 minutes, but if we've learned anything it's that Omega puts an absolutely extraordinary amount of detail into everything. I think it would be fascinating to see whatever his notes were. And at what point Okada decided that taking that dragon suplex was a good idea because that still bothers me years later. On Jericho's podcast where he has a bunch of people on to talk about Brodie Lee, the Bucks mentioned that laying out that big FTR + Elite vs. Dark Order 12-man match took about 12 hours. He (Brodie) was really annoyed at how long it took but was of the opinion that it ended up being totally worth it.
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Jan 17, 2021 00:24
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"I WANNA SEE THAT CHAHNESE GUY FALL OVER AGAIN JR!" "... He's Japanese."
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Jan 17, 2021 01:17
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King’s commentary has aged about as badly as anything in the attitude era My girlfriend wanted to see how the hardys got famous so I showed her the first ladder match they had with E&C. King spent the whole match talking about Terri Runnels’ vagina.
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Jan 17, 2021 01:46
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It’s called the Terri Invitational Tournament JR!!! You know the tee I tee!! *hyena laugh*
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Jan 17, 2021 01:50
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Lawler's commentary has aged like unwashed gym socks. It's bad now and it was never good
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Jan 17, 2021 01:51
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It worked when you were a horny teenager. Less so when you arn't a horny teenager and actually want to watch the loving match. I just remember that Joshi match on Raw where King is trying to tell a really, really stupid longform fat joke because Aja Kong is in the ring and loving Vince tries to keep eyes on the action.
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Jan 17, 2021 01:52
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jesus WEP posted:King’s commentary has aged about as badly as anything in the attitude era There's a lot of bad poo poo during the Attitude Era, which honestly hasn't aged particularly well IMO, but honestly, I'd say the paedophile on commentary is the worst part of it. Other gross poo poo like Terri faking a pregnancy or the latent lgbt-bashing with Goldust in 98 and stuff is terrible as is, but at least it wasn't all over the loving show.
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Jan 17, 2021 01:53
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jesus WEP posted:King’s commentary has aged about as badly as anything in the attitude era Someone suggested that I put sexism in my random bigotry thread, and I was like, I'm sorry, but I only have two hands to give carpal tunnel.
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Jan 17, 2021 01:53
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Finished a fun online DJ set so fiancé and I have settled down with a beer and shots for every dead wrestler in the 08 rumble. Some returning legends in this one, so it might be worse than last night....
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Jan 17, 2021 02:03
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ChrisBTY posted:It worked when you were a horny teenager.
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Jan 17, 2021 02:06
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