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But they keep saying it's a miniseries! What the gently caress is this thing? 
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Arist posted:But they keep saying it's a miniseries! What the gently caress is this thing? I believe the 4 hour version is being released after the miniseries version.
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Jan 17, 2021 21:56
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It's like Das Boot except terrible
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Jan 17, 2021 21:57
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I've really, really grown sick of the hype and I'd take comfort in it being released ending that, but i know it will just be years of analyzing it as the greatest achievement of the genre and how great everything would have been if DC had stuck to Snyder's vision. So it will never end.
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Jan 17, 2021 22:04
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I'm already exhausted. WW84 felt twice as long as it was, so I genuinely can't imagine I'm going to bother watching this in a 4 hour version. My curiosity is barely above zero to begin with as a miniseries. It's funny how there is no official studio word on how this thing is actually going to debut, much less a specific date beyond March, but then again they just announced Godzilla vs Kong has a firm march date when they haven't even released a trailer. The well oiled WB machine does it again.
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Jan 17, 2021 22:24
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Endless Mike posted:Who wants this Don't get me wrong I don't really care about the movie but if I'm gonna watch it and this truly is this grand loving vision, I'd rather just strap the gently caress in and watch the whole thing than watch a movie chopped up and masquerading as a miniseries.
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Jan 17, 2021 22:36
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Yeah I have to say I'd rather see an actual movie rather than the scrappiest scraps of a movie frantically taped together into a miniseries.
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Jan 17, 2021 22:44
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The "miniseries" stuff just feels like someone was like "who the gently caress is gonna watch a four hour remake of a bad movie?" so they thought presenting it as a miniseries was more palpable. But Snyder seems very much of the "who cares about that?" type. I'll probably watch it, and I'll probably not sit there for four hours with it. So either way its probably a "mini series" to me.
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Jan 17, 2021 22:45
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STAC Goat posted:The "miniseries" stuff just feels like someone was like "who the gently caress is gonna watch a four hour remake of a bad movie?" so they thought presenting it as a miniseries was more palpable. But Snyder seems very much of the "who cares about that?" type. Over under on how long until someone posts one of those 'episode break' guides like they did for the Irishman and Snyder has a meltdown at them?
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Jan 17, 2021 23:07
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Despite them saying they'd do the mini series/episodes at DC Fandome, it seems like that plan may have been abandoned? https://twitter.com/WhatsOnHBOMax/status/1350813605244129280 You'd think for something so high profile, they'd be better about getting the details out.
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Jan 17, 2021 23:18
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It also seems possible that this is just a production mess and Snyder keeps undercutting them with personal statements or something. I dunno. It just seems like a mess.
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Jan 17, 2021 23:21
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I'm guessing he just couldn't edit the movie into episodes in a way he liked
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Jan 17, 2021 23:28
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Pray he does not alter it any further.
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Jan 17, 2021 23:30
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"A release date for Zack Snyder's Justice League on HBO Max set to be announced as the studio has successfully wrestled the film away from Snyder, though many interns were lost in the process. #SnyderCutofSnyderCut trends."
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Jan 17, 2021 23:35
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STAC Goat posted:It also seems possible that this is just a production mess and Snyder keeps undercutting them with personal statements or something. Well yes, that's what got us into this mess.
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Jan 17, 2021 23:37
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Turns out it's a miniseries of four four-hour episodes. Who'd've guessed?
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Jan 17, 2021 23:41
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Born to die, world is a gently caress.
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Jan 17, 2021 23:42
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Lurdiak posted:Born to die, world is a gently caress. 410,757,864,530 DEAD CUTS
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catlord posted:Turns out it's a miniseries of four four-hour episodes. Who'd've guessed? Please remember to hydrate.
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Jan 17, 2021 23:50
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At four hours long it's only loosely a "cut."
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Jan 17, 2021 23:51
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If it's all streaming then the miniseries vs 4 hour movie thing is pretty academic anyways, beyond some definite act breaks you can either break a 4 hour movie into parts on your own, or binge 4 1 hour episodes in an afternoon. I'm guessing something like that is what got lost in translation
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Jan 17, 2021 23:51
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4 hours long also genuinely explains his "oh yeah I only reshot two scenes" thing.
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Jan 17, 2021 23:52
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Beyond him make two very bad DC movies (so why should this recut of a bad movie be any better), this whole Snyder Cut poo poo is just the worst idea because Snyder has no real sense of self-control. Despite all of his endless self-congratulatory praise bordering on egomania, Zack Snyder is not a director who can actually make a long movie worth its runtime like Scorsese, Coppola, or Ridley Scott could have and did. Even in Scorsese’s case, who is arguably the greatest living director, The Irishman hit a point of being a long mother loving slog of a movie even if it was genuinely great. Snyder’s best stuff is when he has to constrain a movie and he’s forced to answer to an editor; it’s why dawn of the dead/300 still remain his two best movies he’s made, because they are tight films that don’t waste your loving time. He shouldn’t have been viewed as this Ridley Scott-esque figure that had his fuckin magnum opus epic taken away from him, because it will just exacerbate all the issues he has as a director, compounded with his complete lack of understanding of the characters and tone he’s interpreting, with the biggest sin being his complete inability to make a fun or enjoyable superhero flick. Like, this Snyder Cut will be a self-serious joyless slog that completely misunderstands the base appeal of superheroes, just like his other two trash fires of DCEU flicks, but even more offensive because it will be four mother loving hours long and feel like ten.
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Jan 18, 2021 00:21
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I liked Watchmen but being mostly a shot-for-shot version of the comic did a lot to rein in Snyder.
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Jan 18, 2021 00:25
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Yeah I really liked Watchmen (and still do) but I wonder if it was because it came out when I was 18 and had just read Watchmen for the first time, combined with being basically a straight translation of the comic, combined with changing the ending (which I still really dislike) into something more current and interesting, and finally how loving good that open credits crawl was because, poo poo, what a great way to show the effects of superheroes on society.
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Jan 18, 2021 00:30
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Lobok posted:At four hours long it's only loosely a "cut." That's a typo, they mean the Snyder cult.
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Jan 18, 2021 00:41
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I mean, just wait until the 6 hour version in 2025.
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Jan 18, 2021 00:43
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hear me out: movie DLC
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Jan 18, 2021 00:44
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NieR Occomata posted:Yeah I really liked Watchmen (and still do) but I wonder if it was because it came out when I was 18 and had just read Watchmen for the first time, combined with being basically a straight translation of the comic, combined with changing the ending (which I still really dislike) into something more current and interesting, and finally how loving good that open credits crawl was because, poo poo, what a great way to show the effects of superheroes on society. I remember they changed the ending because they said the squid monster wouldn’t work on screen but holy hell did the TV series prove that wrong.
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Jan 18, 2021 00:47
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The more I think about it, the more I really wish both Marvel and especially DC would just look at My Hero Academia and just...copy that for their film universes. Like, I think the MCU is overall pretty great, but even the highs of stuff like the stuff from Infinity War/Endgame kind of pale in comparison to say, Deku versus Overhaul or United States of Smash and stuff like that. The most embarrassing thing is that as it currently stands, some random Japanese mangaka is kicking the poo poo out of two of the richest and most well-funded American companies in the world at a genre that was invented in America. There is an excitement and sheer ability to portray the appeal of American superheroes in all of its wonder and glory that nothing from the DCEU or even MCU has really been able to match, and certainly not with the consistency that MHA does.
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Jan 18, 2021 00:48
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I disliked Watchmen because "change the alien invader who is so strange and absurd that it forces humans to reconsider who they are" to "What if Dr. Manhattan, the literal symbol of destructive American imperalism, nuked a bunch of cities worldwide" shows such a staggering misunderstanding of the concept I could never get past it. It feels like a "heh, see, I can come up with a better idea than Alan Moore  " while never actually explaining the fact that if Russia got Dr. Manhattan Nuked the missiles would probably be flying before Adrian could finish saying he did it before they came in and even if they were not there's a significant tone and theme difference between "The world unites under the fear of the unknown" and "The world unites under the fear of an aggressive god who is demonstrably the fault of America."That isn't on Snyder to be fair, I am certain it was a studio mandate, but it's so loving dumb.
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Jan 18, 2021 00:49
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Lunatic Sledge posted:hear me out: Movie loot crates
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Jan 18, 2021 02:14
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There's also the fact that Snyder's Watchmen (which i do actually like a decent amount) runs into the weird thing where it keeps thing so close to the book but colours them with his directorial style so they don't make sense. Like, we're supposed to be disturbed at the violence Rorschach and even Dan and Laurie mete out in the prison break, and yet he shoots it in his usual speed-ramp, lurid, torture porn style. Really, the key issue is basically borne out in every single interaction Snyder has had outside of his cadre of devoted fanboys. Any time someone goes "Would Superman really not know murder was bad until doing one?" or "Why does Pa Kent want kids to die?" he basically mocks them as basement dwelling virgins who don't know the Real World where Hard Men Make Hard Choices and lol, go back to your cheetos nerd... Which look... I'm not saying he has to pander to ever dork on the internet, but if that's your response to fairly minor critiques of your tone, it's fair to say you don't actually enjoy the genre, you enjoy the vague notion of the IP but are too wrapped up in being Adult and Serious to actually enjoy it or have fun. Same issue Michael Bay and Transformers has. And yes, it's cool he wanted to make Cyborg a focal part so there was a POC in the heart of the film, it's cool that he wants to use the New Gods, it's cool he cast a Black woman as Iris West (although he can hardly claim credit for that as an original idea), none of those laudable points change that even his 'good' movies are clunky, conservative, bleak noise fests that mangle whatever points the source material may have had. gently caress, look at Sucker Punch, which may genuinely have been him trying to be a feminist ally.
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Jan 18, 2021 02:19
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Lunatic Sledge posted:hear me out: If YOU want to see Superman race to the interplanetary battle . . . PRESS OOOONE. If you want to see CLARK KENT first recheck his story for the Daily Planet . . . PRESS TWOOOO.
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Jan 18, 2021 02:20
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So the source is the Daily Mail but supposedly Matt Damon is back for Thor: Love and Thunder.
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Jan 18, 2021 02:31
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muscles like this! posted:So the source is the Daily Mail but supposedly Matt Damon is back for Thor: Love and Thunder. ...Wasn't he just playing Matt Damon, though? Are we gonna be on the set of an in-universe Thor movie where Damon is Thor?
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Jan 18, 2021 02:39
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e: nm
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Jan 18, 2021 02:41
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Man I wish they'd stop releasing Snyder Cut "news". I keep seeing a bunch of posts in this thread and getting my hopes up that there's something new and exciting. Speaking of which, if Eternals was originally supposed to come out 2 months ago how have we not seen a trailer yet?
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Jan 18, 2021 02:49
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Like...I don’t want to make this into “his politics are bad so therefore he’s a bad director”...but he’s a loving Objectivist moron trying to make a live-action version of the fountainhead. He’s literally every 20 year old dude in college who thinks Randian philosophy is the future of society and has Big Great Ideas about what the future will be like if only everyone listened to the enlightened white man. He never grew out of that, never was willing to accept criticism, and this dumbass Snyder Cut poo poo is exacerbating all his worst tendencies. You can see his philosophy and approach and thinking checkering quite literally every movie he does, where the super-powered elites are being dragged down by the hordes of mindless proletarians who can’t, or won’t, listen to their betters. And it’s why his best movies are 300, which is just insane gore porn and even then has some troubling racism/embedded homophobia you just have to ignore in favor of its triumph of the few elites over the unwashed masses, or dawn of the dead, where the antagonists are quite literally mindless unthinking zombies. Snyder doesn’t approach superheroism as being in service of the public, he thinks that they (superheroes) are shackled by and held back due to the whims of the hated “normals”. It’s why Clark’s dad can consign a bunch of kids to die, because they’re the normals and they don’t matter. It’s why Zod and Supes can kill a bajillion people during their fight because the people who died are the leeches, the dregs, the unworthy. It’s why Batman can shoot up a bunch of gangsters because they’re the perverts, thieves, and Others who deign to claw at his inherent Greatness. Snyder has a fundamental misunderstanding of what the basic tenet of superheroism as a concept is, due to his basic misunderstanding of the world at large, and he finally hit a genre where his worldview comes at fundamental odds with how superheroism is and has been defined for over half a century. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jan 18, 2021 |
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Man I wish they'd stop releasing Snyder Cut "news". I keep seeing a bunch of posts in this thread and getting my hopes up that there's something new and exciting. because it's not coming out until November and there's another movie coming out in July that we haven't gotten a trailer for either
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