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Powerful
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 21:51 |
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Gripweed posted:This is Paladinus's room The UK really does have a uniquly awful political consensus among the european nation states
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 21:51 |
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MonsieurChoc posted:Bodies is pretty dehumanizing, I don't get why it took off. iirc there were two "plasticized human bodies as a museum exhibit" setups going around and one involved bodies of normal people who donated their carcasses/organs with full understanding that they'd get preserved and shown off as museum exhibits, whereas the other was extremely suspect of using the bodies of chinese political prisoners. The one using prisoners went around first but I think it was the second that really took off because it had more access. but by all means let's have a long-rear end derail about whether the harms in imprisonment of dissidents outweigh the benefits to China.
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 21:54 |
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https://twitter.com/LabSpecEth/status/1351262531893952514
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 21:55 |
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Yeah the environmental impact of cremation services is kinda major, hence why I’ve reconsidered it whereas I’d really want my body destroyed on death perhaps I can be sunk to the bottom of the Atlantic like the Decepticons, maybe feed some deep sea critters
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:05 |
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A Russian troll farm posted:god i hate the word bodies it seems really demeaning and dehumanizing, idk why people would want to use terms like that
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:06 |
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indigi posted:it seems really demeaning and dehumanizing, idk why people would want to use terms like that to play at sounding academic and thus derive authority over your posting enemies someone did a writeup about it in cspam someplace
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:08 |
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https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1350974973544947713FAUXTON posted:iirc there were two "plasticized human bodies as a museum exhibit" setups going around and one involved bodies of normal people who donated their carcasses/organs with full understanding that they'd get preserved and shown off as museum exhibits, whereas the other was extremely suspect of using the bodies of chinese political prisoners. The one using prisoners went around first but I think it was the second that really took off because it had more access. and virgins ITT get hopping mad about my low-effort derails
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:13 |
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FAUXTON posted:the other was extremely suspect of using the bodies of chinese political prisoners suspected by who? the oldest source I can find on this is an NPR article that says quote:He says that he obtains them all only through trusted sources, but no outsider has verified that they might not be, in a worst-case scenario, dissidents killed in a Chinese prison, then sold through a body broker to a medical school, and then displayed to the public. which seems to be entirely sinophobic supposition
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:17 |
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Who wrote The Iron Heel?
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:30 |
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A Russian troll farm posted:god i hate the word bodies second time i'm having to bring up Frantz Fanon on this forum, you guys should really read up on your black liberation marxists, the 'bodies' category is important and also adds rhetorical shock value, here in brazil people even use "black meat". Here's a starter article; quote:The Traumatized Object the terminology is used because in context it's part of a larger denouncement of society, if you think it calling it out using the 'bodies' term contributes more to dehumanization than feel free to contact these people and change their minds
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:48 |
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I always thought the idea behind calling people bodies was the implication that while their bodies could be enslaved or destroyed, their spirits remained free and carried on. But that's purely my speculation. Sounds weird either way.
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:50 |
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Ok Comboomer posted:https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1350974973544947713 https://twitter.com/caranatar/status/1350989874317430791?s=19
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:58 |
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Paladinus posted:I always thought the idea behind calling people bodies was the implication that while their bodies could be enslaved or destroyed, their spirits remained free and carried on. But that's purely my speculation. Sounds weird either way. It is explicitly calling out that fact. It does sound weird on the mouths of white liberals cargo culting discourse, but afaik it's a term usage coined by black liberation theorists. anyway this is the pics thread, have some cool fanon fanart
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:58 |
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bagual posted:adds rhetorical shock value I guess I can see the strategy here, but this isn’t what it does to me. it obfuscates the truth behind a layer of euphemistic language. it’s like referring to people as resources or capital. I sincerely doubt the intended audience is going to be shocked instead of confused by using the word “bodies” to mean “people” indigi has issued a correction as of 23:01 on Jan 18, 2021 |
# ? Jan 18, 2021 22:59 |
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They say she carved it herself... from a bigger spoon.
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:04 |
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:11 |
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https://twitter.com/DeanBrowningPA/status/1351267937055887360
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:16 |
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I also think the term bodies doesn't achieve its rhetorical aims because it's ultimately an ironic usage but most people I hear use it sincerely which is what makes it weird black meat would be much more clearly ironic and impossible to use sincerely
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:16 |
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ayo imma committin genocide ova hea
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:17 |
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bagual posted:It is explicitly calling out that fact. It does sound weird on the mouths of white liberals cargo culting discourse, but afaik it's a term usage coined by black liberation theorists. Well, I get that there's obviously context, or people wouldn't be using it at all, but the language is also changing. I've just googled to learn more about this, and the second link is a black person who is also baffled by the word bodies being used to refer to black and brown people. https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/can-we-stop-referring-to-black-people-as-black-bodies-a1f636d27658 So it might just be a tad obscure or muddled with white lib woke speak to serve its intended purpose, I don't know. Like, if it's meant to be shocking, it's too wide-spread now for that, and most people, I imagine, are not particularly disturbed by its usage, but rather confused by it. The third link in google, by the way, is about a term in physics that refers to a body that absorbs all incident electromagnetic radiation.
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:18 |
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i was gonna dig up his old tweet but the comments have us covered lol
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:18 |
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indigi posted:I guess I can see the strategy here, but this isn’t what it does to me. it obfuscates the truth behind a layer of euphemistic language. it’s like referring to people as m resources or capital. I sincerely doubt the intended audience is going to be shocked instead of confused by using the word “bodies” to mean “people” that's why in brazil we talk about the state throwing black bones into the grinder, black meat is the cheapest on the market (re: salaries), police just stack up dead black people like thrash, etc. it's a way to denounce society by calling it's relation to black people like it is, dehumanizing and cruel. black liberation theorists in the 60's were not using it euphemistically, they were drawing attention to the fact that the white supremacist state still sees black people as soulless bodies in a continuity of racism that goes back to colonial enslavement of black africans where priests literally convinced people they had no souls. if it sounds weird to you it's ok, maybe it's a term that stuck around and doesn't carry as much weight as when it was first introduced, i'm just telling you it's grounded in black liberation theory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeNSeVoHJ44
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:19 |
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Antonymous posted:black meat would be much more clearly ironic and impossible to use sincerely yah
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:20 |
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Chuck Tingle, the early years
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:21 |
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indigi posted:suspected by who? the oldest source I can find on this is an NPR article that says Idk if you read my post or the article you linked but like I said, there's another traveling exhibit, which is the one with the sketchy provenance, and the article even points it out:
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:23 |
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bagual posted:that's why in brazil we talk about the state throwing black bones into the grinder, black meat is the cheapest on the market (re: salaries), police just stack up dead black people like thrash, etc. it's a way to denounce society by calling it's relation to black people like it is, dehumanizing and cruel. See, all those phrases work (at least to my ear), because they paint some pretty vivid and provocative images. 'Oppressing black bodies' sound extremely sterile to me and misses the mark. Although one could reflect on that sterility, too, I suppose.
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:26 |
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Paladinus posted:See, all those phrases work (at least to my ear), because they paint some pretty vivid and provocative images. 'Oppressing black bodies' sound extremely sterile to me and misses the mark. Although one could reflect on that sterility, too, I suppose. well this is freestyle sociology but one could suppose black intellectuals were trying to own academia in the 60's without breaking academic decorum because otherwise they'd just go unheard, and the term stuck around but eventually got normalized to the point it doesn't elicit provocation anymore don't fret if black activists who did their homework drop it now and then, but those art exhibits really are kinda hosed and disrespectful imo, reminds me of european human zoos
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:39 |
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FAUXTON posted:Idk if you read my post or the article you linked but like I said, there's another traveling exhibit, which is the one with the sketchy provenance, and the article even points it out: that's also admitting to a complete lack of evidence. do you have any sources?
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:48 |
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https://twitter.com/ICEgov/status/1351180549449265153
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:51 |
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The Cameo posted:second and third paragraphs of the actual story: Yeah, looks boilerplate to me. Monitoring for insider threats is day-to-day stuff.
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# ? Jan 18, 2021 23:55 |
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seems like that’s just inviting chaos at the inauguration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL7-CKirWZE
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# ? Jan 19, 2021 00:02 |
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I have seen bodies thrown around in a non-racial sense in HR terms. Especially in regards to manual labour. e.g a new building is running behind schedule, throw more bodies at the problem(Hire more labourers). It seems to be another example of capitalism dehumanising the worker and just seeing the person as a resource on a balance sheet.
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# ? Jan 19, 2021 00:08 |
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Varkk posted:I have seen bodies thrown around in a non-racial sense in HR terms. Especially in regards to manual labour. e.g a new building is running behind schedule, throw more bodies at the problem(Hire more labourers). It seems to be another example of capitalism dehumanising the worker and just seeing the person as a resource on a balance sheet. Human Resources wouldn't callously dehumanize workers.
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# ? Jan 19, 2021 00:15 |
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goddamn i am actually angry at a tweet. this must be what liberals feel like all the time.
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# ? Jan 19, 2021 00:29 |
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:goddamn i am actually angry at a tweet. this must be what liberals feel like all the time.
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# ? Jan 19, 2021 00:40 |
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my neighbor set up a couple of those by his sidewalk, of the planter variety anyway the plants died and it's just dirt now
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# ? Jan 19, 2021 00:44 |
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# ? Jan 19, 2021 00:50 |
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indigi posted:I guess I can see the strategy here, but this isn’t what it does to me. it obfuscates the truth behind a layer of euphemistic language. it’s like referring to people as resources or capital. I sincerely doubt the intended audience is going to be shocked instead of confused by using the word “bodies” to mean “people” it’s about re-contextualizing the products of exploitation by reminding people of their physical, material cost. It’s about shortening the metaphoric distance between the victims of oppression and the Western consumers of said oppression’s fruits. For example- take a bar of chocolate on a supermarket counter. To the shopper, who knows nothing of its provenance, that bar is just a sweet. It’s a pretty rectangle in bright, happy paper that costs two bucks, and maybe it’ll brighten up a dreary afternoon in a small way. The amount of consideration that a person gives a bar of chocolate, or a banana, or a pair of sneakers is infinitesimally small compared to the amount of brutality required to birth it into existence. So it’s one thing to tell that person “ya know, that chocolate was harvested using slave labor” in an oblique sort of way, and something else entirely to be like “an eight year old child picked cacao beans for thirteen straight hours to make that bar of chocolate, when he couldn’t pick any more from exhaustion he was beaten until the blood ran down his back and legs. Then later that night at the barracks he was sexually abused by one of the company foremen. He will never escape this life and at 24 he’ll be dead.” To give a different example, it would be like telling a northerner in 1963 that police were brutalizing black civil rights marchers, vs showing them the images of kids being firehosed and mauled by dogs. at least that’s how the thought behind it was also explained to me.
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