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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

At the risk of getting into serious Bald territory - what's the comparable rate for people hospitalised with other pulmonary infections? These numbers are terrifying if they're for otherwise-healthy people, but if that's (as I suspect) fairly similar to the rates for people hospitalised by flu, then the Covid hospitalisation is just another signpost on the way down at the end of life. Grim and horrifying for the people involved, but a disease that shortens an individual's life expectancy from 87 to 86 is very different from one that shortens it from 87 to 77 (or 47) on a population level.
It does mention that exacerbation of preexisting conditions most probably accounts for a chunk of the numbers, but unlikely all.

The one comforting bit is that most of the new organ damage is 'mild and therefore likely to be subclinical' which I guess if you're going to get organ damage that's the kind that you want, but it's not all just in the very old.

It does make me wonder what kind of things will be coming out of the woodwork from Long Covid in a decade's time though.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

The Icke/Jones Fuckhead Pioneer Corps have already laid the groundwork for them and everything.
I want to see a Pinky and the Brain style cartoon loosely based on those two fuckwits and the fact that they hate one another.

e: In 115CE an earthquake destroys Apamea and Antioch in Syria. The local bishop is held responsible.

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jan 19, 2021

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
wow who could have seen this coming

https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1351530498800148482?s=20

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

'The plucky high school kids are to blame, for not stopping me sooner' claims masked maniac with blood still dripping from his hands.

Convex
Aug 19, 2010

First Labour didn't support the deal, so we had to make it worse, then they supported it. This is their fault

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Well as long as it's never the Lib Dems' fault for sinking any hopes of a customs union.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...


It's the excuse made in Secondary school by the class dickhead blaming the class swot.

"Sir, this bad Brexit deal isn't my fault. I voted for it without reading it. But the Labour guy was supposed to read it before he voted for it."

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
https://twitter.com/mlothianmclean/status/1351499570958786561

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back
lmao at Labour getting so het up about Keith Resignation Day that they hired someone whose job will be to tell Twitter to stop it trending

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
is Keir resigning again?

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


crispix posted:

Keir is resigning

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

crispix posted:

Keith is resigning

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Meanwhile:

Is anyone on here a charity trustee?

I've been asked to become a charity trustee for a small new charity with good aims being set up by a young relative who has inherited money from his mum who died a few years ago. I've looked over various documents, but what I really want to know in words of one syllable: what might I be in for in terms of liabilities? He has the other trustees in place and needs just one more before he can finalize whatever he needs to do.

I'm finding being chair of our residents' committee quite onerous and the thought that I might be liable for something else (though the charity will have trustee liability insurance) is not appealing. I don't want to let him down though.

Technically all the committee members of the UKMTSF are charity trustees :v: but I wouldn't want to be the one to tell you what you're in for, it's gonna be highly variable depending on the charity.

Is it an unincorporated charity or a CIC? Does it have a membership beyond the trustees themselves? Do you have the constitution to hand? Worth reading over that to get an idea of your obligations. You'll probably at least have to attend an AGM.

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?
Dang it, turns out he's re-signing instead

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Maugrim posted:

Technically all the committee members of the UKMTSF are charity trustees :v: but I wouldn't want to be the one to tell you what you're in for, it's gonna be highly variable depending on the charity.

Is it an unincorporated charity or a CIC? Does it have a membership beyond the trustees themselves? Do you have the constitution to hand? Worth reading over that to get an idea of your obligations. You'll probably at least have to attend an AGM.

It's going for full charity status (initial funds are well over the £5k you've mentioned previously).

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Lol

https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1351500614052818945?s=19

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1351528315253907460?s=20


Also, Chair of Cardiff North CLP has been suspended for facilitating debate members wanted (don't know topic).
https://www.saveoursocialists.co.uk/index.php/clive-haswell-cardiff-north-clp

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jan 19, 2021

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019


i suppose it goes without saying that "social listening and organising manager" is not what his real job is.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Guavanaut posted:

Updated version has a level set entirely within Michael Gove's sinuses.


*Blinks at the player character*

Parodius was a parody of a bunch of things, but....Saint Dragon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVc9T4SHixc&ab_channel=RedSevenNine

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/1351545980693475328?s=21

Oh, good.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Labour hiring an IDF Shitpost decoder isn't as funny as them outsourcing campaigning.

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1351543302017974274

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Gonzo McFee posted:

Labour hiring an IDF Shitpost decoder isn't as funny as them outsourcing campaigning.

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1351543302017974274

I feel like the news cycle has been designed purely to make my depression worse. A bit egotistical I know

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

forkboy84 posted:

I feel like the news cycle has been designed purely to make my depression worse. A bit egotistical I know

The time for anger and hurt is over. Now is the time of grabbing whatever debris floats by and hanging on to life just to watch the Labour party drown and say "lol, Lmfao".

No More Toast
May 11, 2013

Atheist! Imperialist!!

Whelp, looks like I'm going to either be made redundant or have to re-interview for the same job I'm doing now, except frankenstein-monstered with 2-3 job post workloads. I'm currently working out how long I can last on my paltry savings (which was ostensibly for a future house deposit, hope is a lie etc. etc.) and it's hard for me to work out where my priorities should be. I'm sure I remember reading about people here going through the same thing last year, so any advice/guidance on what the hell to do without being overwhelmed is welcome.

On a definitely completely unrelated note, I know from my years of lurking that there are a few other Leicester-based goons in this thread. If anyone's a current/past University of Leicester student and feels like complaining to the VC about the recent announcement of redundancies, that would be pretty neat.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
hellooooo we are t'labour parteh we are very elictible dewn'tchaknooo tougher than t'the tories on welfare, a strong and reet patriotic britain to grow oop in and for t'to die in :thumbsup:

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

It's going for full charity status (initial funds are well over the £5k you've mentioned previously).

The 5k limit just means you have to register with the charity commission - you can still be an unincorporated charity. Or there's various models of incorporated charities. The constitution will likely follow one of the models on this page depending what type of org it is.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/setting-up-a-charity-model-governing-documents

"Small charity" is the under 5k one, "unincorporated charity" is what the UKMTSF is going for, or your people might be setting up as a CIO, CIC or charitable trust

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Gonzo McFee posted:

Labour hiring an IDF Shitpost decoder isn't as funny as them outsourcing campaigning.

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1351543302017974274
incredible. a neoliberal version of periphery management techniques returning to the core

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Maugrim posted:

The 5k limit just means you have to register with the charity commission - you can still be an unincorporated charity. Or there's various models of incorporated charities. The constitution will likely follow one of the models on this page depending what type of org it is.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/setting-up-a-charity-model-governing-documents

"Small charity" is the under 5k one, "unincorporated charity" is what the UKMTSF is going for, or your people might be setting up as a CIO, CIC or charitable trust

Thanks for the input.
Looks like I'm going to have to clear my head and plough through the documents, I was hoping there was an easy answer.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Gonzo McFee posted:

The time for anger and hurt is over. Now is the time of grabbing whatever debris floats by and hanging on to life just to watch the Labour party drown and say "lol, Lmfao".

https://twitter.com/papapishu/status/746803108949409793

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


No More Toast posted:

Whelp, looks like I'm going to either be made redundant or have to re-interview for the same job I'm doing now, except frankenstein-monstered with 2-3 job post workloads. I'm currently working out how long I can last on my paltry savings (which was ostensibly for a future house deposit, hope is a lie etc. etc.) and it's hard for me to work out where my priorities should be. I'm sure I remember reading about people here going through the same thing last year, so any advice/guidance on what the hell to do without being overwhelmed is welcome.

Yeah, this was me in the second half of last year. I don't have any specific guidance on what to do though because I basically just lost all work motivation while swinging wildly between "gently caress, better really smash it to prove my worth" and "what's the point in any of this, I'm either in or out based on what some HR drone says" and then managed to hang on to the job and am now struggling to re-motivate myself!

Any idea how likely each outcome is? It's probably good to dust off your CV and sign up for some job alerts just in case (or however you usually do your job searching) because something might come up that's better than your current gig anyway! Talk to your union rep if applicable, presumably they should be included in any negotiations around roles being made redundant or amalgamated.

Hope it works out ok for you!

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
I don't think that stat about people being readmitted then dying means that we're underreporting deaths. It's within 28 days of a positive test, not within 28 days of their first positive test. Presumably these people are being re-tested on re-admission.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Jakabite posted:

I don't think that stat about people being readmitted then dying means that we're underreporting deaths. It's within 28 days of a positive test, not within 28 days of their first positive test. Presumably these people are being re-tested on re-admission.

They won't be testing positive again though, not normally. Those will be virus not antibody tests which will be negative.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Using what kind of test though? Rapid antigen and PCR aren't going to be all that useful >28 days after the first positive test, so are they doing antibody tests on people arriving in a bad way, or are they just saying "oh they had persistent Covid symptoms over the past 5 weeks better make a note of that"?

efb

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
Ah, I see. Well, poo poo. I've just been reading about how JVCI calculated their efficacy rate for one does and it looks to me like they've been EXTREMELY loving selective about their data. One of the first people to get the shot in December has already caught it and died before his second dose. I know you'd expect that to happen to some people but Jesus Christ.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Jakabite posted:

I don't think that stat about people being readmitted then dying means that we're underreporting deaths. It's within 28 days of a positive test, not within 28 days of their first positive test. Presumably these people are being re-tested on re-admission.

It is actually the first positive test

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

quote:

Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. Data from the four nations are not directly comparable as methodologies and inclusion criteria vary. Data for the period ending 5 days before the date when the website was last updated with data for the selected area, highlighted in grey, is incomplete.

no indication whether they would start counting again on readmission, but they don't mention it and that would make the numbers go up so my guess would be no

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I have a tickly throat and a cough, :rip:

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



ThomasPaine posted:

I have a tickly throat and a cough, :rip:

You get to keep Hancock company for two weeks. :bravo:

mrpwase
Apr 21, 2010

I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few


Over the past few weeks I've been busy collecting all symptoms apart from covid ones, I'm not sure what my body is trying to tell me
Apart from 'smash capitalism' of course

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

mrpwase posted:

Over the past few weeks I've been busy collecting all symptoms apart from covid ones, I'm not sure what my body is trying to tell me
Apart from 'smash capitalism' of course

I woke up on Sunday morning with the worst feeling "cold" I've had throughout lockdown and I was like "this is it i've got the covid" and then passed out and woke up 3 hours later feeling bright and breezy.

one under-rated aspect of this whole covid situation is I haven't had had a proper good old fashioned british cold for months, y'know the kind that some people claim is the flu

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I don't think I'm at all alone in saying this, but really fear of the virus itself is only a very small part of the trauma of this pandemic. Every death is a tragedy for those impacted and all that, but I know I'm not really very likely to be one of those as a 31 year old (though it is possible). What is really getting to me is the way it has exposed our whole country for the selfish, stupid, lazily arrogant and entitled place we've always known it to be, deep down. Not just the usual suspects either. It's the government mismanagement (who could have guessed putting a load of Eton chancers in charge of a country might lead to you being led by a bunch of lazy grifters?), it's the media silence/spin, it's the well to do blue tick liberals doing their performative outrage despite their direct complicity, yes it's dumbasses refusing to wear masks. I've never liked Britain, and there's always been that current of bile under the surface that I've been aware of, but I always kind of believed in this alienated but generally well-meaning majority. I'm not sure I do now. The mask has been ripped off and I've seen how the sausages are made and it's worse than I ever thought. I've lost more respect for this country in the last year than I thought possible, and that really is a hell of a bar. That's going to be the big thing. When all is said and done I will not be able to see people in the same way again. I hope that I'm not the only one, and this might radicalise people somewhat, but lol :britain:

Granted, it doesn't help that it's cold and dark all the time, I'm unemployed, I can't go hang out and decompress with friends, and I'm drinking way too much to compensate, but this year has probably been the most difficult for me in a long time, and certainly the first where I've genuinely worried my mental health resilience might be reaching its limit. I'm holding it together, but it is hard sometimes.

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Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

I have a feeling I first saw it in one of these threads but this article is very illuminating. The British attitude to absolutely everything seems to be to do it right as long as you're forced to with a gun to your head, then do it wrong at the earliest opportunity and keep doing it that way forever because "that's how we've always done it". poo poo country.

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