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Yeah, I always thought her plot in the book dragged hard. The shorter TV version worked better.
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The Expanse has always been more concerned with being a character drama that has action and adventure than being an action adventure with character drama tacked on. It didn't really waste time, and it was needed to better understand Filip, Naomi and Marco's motivations moving forward; and I really loved the scene with Naomi and Cyn at the table. I've only read books 6-8, though; I can believe that this plot is a bit of a depressing slog in the books.
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It's basically the same plot but takes a lot longer. It's not very interesting because 90% of it Naomi has no agency and is just trapped on a ship being poo poo on. It's not bad, it just gets to the point where you want her to escape and get back to being able to do stuff.
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Grand Fromage posted:It's basically the same plot but takes a lot longer. It's not very interesting because 90% of it Naomi has no agency and is just trapped on a ship being poo poo on. It's not bad, it just gets to the point where you want her to escape and get back to being able to do stuff. drat are you talking about Book 4 or 5???
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pik_d posted:drat are you talking about Book 4 or 5??? We don't talk about Book 4.
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pik_d posted:drat are you talking about Book 4 or 5??? or book 8?
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Horizon Burning posted:or book 8? She was doing stuff on that ship
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Grand Fromage posted:Daniel doesn't seem to like press as much, but he's a writer on the show and working on the books so I'm sure he's busy. Ty is more into drinking tequila and posting. Sounds like your suspicions are confirmed by the aftershow this week where Daniel finally shows up
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Defiance Industries posted:Sounds like your suspicions are confirmed by the aftershow this week where Daniel finally shows up Coolio, I haven't watched it yet. Daniel used to do more though. When SyFy had The Churn as the official show podcast, Ty and Daniel were on every episode.
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Also the other thread is going to be so mad when we get to episode 10 and not only is Marco not dead, but he's still increasing in power.
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I literally don't remember the way books 5 and 6 link together, do we reckon the show is gonna cleanly represent that? Any belief they'll rush out the Marco plot to tie off Laconia in s6? (I've still not got started book 8 so I still don't know where it's going lmao) The Ty and That Guy aftershow with Daniel AND Ty saying they'd decided on the final part of the final book by book 2 is completely fascinating to me though. Makes me feel positive, but oh my god the potential disappointment.
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VagueRant posted:I literally don't remember the way books 5 and 6 link together, do we reckon the show is gonna cleanly represent that? Any belief they'll rush out the Marco plot to tie off Laconia in s6? Book 5 and 6 are just one long story basically, from the beginning to the end of the Free Navy. 6 ends with the formation of the Transport Union and peace in the Sol system. Laconia doesn't show up until 7.
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Book 5 is the crew split up during the attack and making their way back together while everyone figures out what the gently caress happens and what they can do about it. Book 6 is both the military and economic war between the inners and the belt, and the growing realization that Marco has royally hosed humanity as a whole, culminating with the Roci et al retaking Medina and the ring station with all its rail guns.
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I think the show is gonna push Drummer into betraying the Free Navy earlier than in the books; Roci and Drummer's fleet are going to both respond to Naomi's signal and Drummer gonna pick Naomi and Holden and execute their "guest". The season ending with Medina joining the Free Navy / Duarte's Escape (if they're even moving forward with that plot, anyways) makes the most sense... not 100% sure how they're gonna get Amos back to the Roci in time, though.
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Grand Fromage posted:Also the other thread is going to be so mad when we get to episode 10 and not only is Marco not dead, but he's still increasing in power. Yeah it's delicious and I cannot wait
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Infidelicious posted:I think the show is gonna push Drummer into betraying the Free Navy earlier than in the books; Roci and Drummer's fleet are going to both respond to Naomi's signal and Drummer gonna pick Naomi and Holden and execute their "guest". Isn't the end of Book 5 everyone meeting back up on Luna, including Holden's parents and Avasarala putting Erich in charge of the black market? Would make a good ending point, cut to a news broadcast of Marco taking Medina, followed by brief scene(a) from Medina and-or the Barkeith of the rogue martians transiting the Laconia gate.
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I think Amos ends up not linking up with the rest of the crew until the season 6 premiere
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I didn't realize the Roci went all the way back to Luna, I thought everyone met at Tycho... (Only read 6-8) that's a long trip to the Ring to retake Medina, lol.
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Depending on where everything else is in relation to the Ring, it could be on the way. But in the books, the Roci and Razorback are taking Fred and Nate to Luna for a conference with Avasarala, so they both have reasons to head there.
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Defiance Industries posted:Depending on where everything else is in relation to the Ring, it could be on the way. But in the books, the Roci and Razorback are taking Fred and Nate to Luna for a conference with Avasarala, so they both have reasons to head there. Yeah, since Fred is dead... and the Martian government isn't part of the Razorback story... IDK how they're going to pull off a meet up as it's kind of a stretch to Luna for seemingly no reason; I guess UN would want to debrief Naomi as she's been on Marco's ship and she knows him better than anyone? Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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All I gotta say is that I loved the water drinking scene followed by Drummers later screaming about Naomi. I felt both of those. Very well done.
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Infidelicious posted:Yeah, since Fred is dead... and the Martian government isn't part of the Razorback story... Also, maybe Naomi's real hosed up by the time they get her off the ship and they take her there for medical care? It seems to be in better condition than anywhere else we see.
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I think Luna made sense because the entire UN fleet was pulled back to Earth to defend it.
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pik_d posted:Yeah it's delicious and I cannot wait "I don't see how this ends other than Filip killing Marco" 
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drewhead posted:"I don't see how this ends other than Filip killing Marco" "this" being this season, not this arc, is another good part of that prediction
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VagueRant posted:I literally don't remember the way books 5 and 6 link together, do we reckon the show is gonna cleanly represent that? Any belief they'll rush out the Marco plot to tie off Laconia in s6? Book 6 is an epilogue to Book 5 that goes on for about 400 pages too long
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gonna laugh so hard if they end the last season of the expanse with "phew, luckily the ring ate marco's fleet!"
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Horizon Burning posted:gonna laugh so hard if they end the last season of the expanse with "phew, luckily the ring ate marco's fleet!" marco died on his way back to his home planet.
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I think the Martian battleship at the ring is going to turn out to be Duarte's ship, maybe?
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Horizon Burning posted:gonna laugh so hard if they end the last season of the expanse with "phew, luckily the ring ate marco's fleet!" *Amos, Peaches, and Prax sit around a campfire roasting marshmellows to Journey's Don't Stop Believin'* Amos: *looks directly into camera* " guess the real expanse was the space between friends..." *cut to black*
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I really hope that season 6 still includes the subplot where Prax saves the human race
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drewhead posted:"I don't see how this ends other than Filip killing Marco" Yeah, that dude is way off and in for disappointment. I'm not sure what the payoff is going to be though, since there's no martian PM subplot.
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Defiance Industries posted:I think the Martian battleship at the ring is going to turn out to be Duarte's ship, maybe? Yeah they keep making a point of talking about/showing on a background computer display the 3 BB's at the Ring, the Martian one is probably Duarte's and when it's time to make a break for it it's gonna suddenly turn its guns on the 2 UN BB's or whatever and give us the actual villain reveal instead of the fakeout war college lecturer.
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Horizon Burning posted:gonna laugh so hard if they end the last season of the expanse with "phew, luckily the ring ate marco's fleet!" Have they even mentioned ships disappearing as they go through the gate? I’m almost wondering if maybe they’ve got something else up their sleeve for the series finale. I say that because by now the audience should be aware that the ring eats ships. Its a real problem by this point in the books, people are looking into it, and no one understands it. If they wait too long to bring it up in the show it’s going to feel shoehorned in.
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I would guess that at some point in the finale of this season we see the ship with Lt. Babbage go dutchman.
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I'm not sure that's going to happen and the reason I'm not sure it's going to happen is because I don't see how you can do the thing where people see something coming at them in the spaces between molecules.
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Nail Rat posted:I'm not sure that's going to happen and the reason I'm not sure it's going to happen is because I don't see how you can do the thing where people see something coming at them in the spaces between molecules. The same way they already did it with Elvi in season four, I assume. 
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That reminds me, I never understood the “the horny doctor” stuff until after Season 4 reading all the books. Now I giggle every time it comes up.
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Sammus posted:Have they even mentioned ships disappearing as they go through the gate? I’m almost wondering if maybe they’ve got something else up their sleeve for the series finale. Crazycryodude posted:Yeah they keep making a point of talking about/showing on a background computer display the 3 BB's at the Ring, the Martian one is probably Duarte's and when it's time to make a break for it it's gonna suddenly turn its guns on the 2 UN BB's or whatever and give us the actual villain reveal instead of the fakeout war college lecturer. sauveterre is the dude on the barkeith who gets eaten in the novels, but the barkeith is also a donnager-class and not a supply ship. i feel reasonably certain that the big ending scene will be the barkeith getting eaten, along with babbage. my guess at this point is that marco's guys fired the stolen protomolecule towards the ring, where it will be collected by the martian battleship, and make a run through the gate. the barkeith will attempt to follow and will not come out the other side. it will also not surprise me if babbage is the new duarte.
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Horizon Burning posted:sauveterre is the dude on the barkeith who gets eaten in the novels, but the barkeith is also a donnager-class and not a supply ship. i feel reasonably certain that the big ending scene will be the barkeith getting eaten, along with babbage. my guess at this point is that marco's guys fired the stolen protomolecule towards the ring, where it will be collected by the martian battleship, and make a run through the gate. the barkeith will attempt to follow and will not come out the other side. it will also not surprise me if babbage is the new duarte. Would be tremendously earned, Lara Jean Chorostecki is great
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