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i don't think the US intervenes anywhere altruistically, which is why they didn't give a poo poo about rwanda. they always take from wherever they bomb. i'm also very skeptical of talk about "denying agency" and demands to "listen to [people from country X who happen to agree with me that america has the right to intervene in their affairs]" as lines of argument. particularly when a good deal of the time america has worked to exacerbate or cause whatever conflict i'm now being told i must support a US intervention in. "oh but this one time we might actually do some good" in the face of 90 years of history is born of an american supremacist worldview. i also don't know what an american civilian is supposed to do about "the imperialism of china and russia".
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Jan 20, 2021 11:02
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I mean Rwanda was exacerbated by France selling weapons to the genociders.
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Jan 20, 2021 15:17
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I think cspam is probably a better place to talk about how US interventionism loving sucks. Please do it there instead.
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Jan 20, 2021 17:34
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Junpei Hyde posted:I think cspam is probably a better place to talk about how US interventionism loving sucks. Please do it there instead. i was asked a direct question by the person for whom this thread was created, and we had ourselves a respectful discussion to better understand where the other is coming from. go bellyache elsewhere.
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Jan 20, 2021 18:33
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gh0stpinballa posted:i was asked a direct question by the person for whom this thread was created, and we had ourselves a respectful discussion to better understand where the other is coming from. go bellyache elsewhere. Some of the folks involved were very respectful and thoughtful Some folks were shitposting and belittling people for daring to either not know things or think differently
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Jan 20, 2021 18:46
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gh0stpinballa posted:i was asked a direct question by the person for whom this thread was created, and we had ourselves a respectful discussion to better understand where the other is coming from. go bellyache elsewhere. If you had a respectful discussion yourself, then fine, I'm mostly referring to the people who posted in here for seemingly no reason other than being mad.
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Jan 20, 2021 19:33
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Junpei Hyde posted:If you had a respectful discussion yourself, then fine, I'm mostly referring to the people who posted in here for seemingly no reason other than being mad. I listen to and mostly enjoy Robert’s podcasts, but he’s also a rising star in left journalism and (at least here in Portland especially due to his very dedicated coverage of the events of this summer) picking up a lot of influence. I find his casual dismissal of anti-intervention positions as tankies troubling because there’s compelling good faith reasons to be deeply skeptical of western intervention and the media narratives that sell it. If I’d realized this thread was about his content (in retrospect machetes is kind of obvious but there’s a billion podcasts out there) I probably would have posted in here sooner, if nothing else than to rib the guy for mispronouncing Portland landmarks (I’ve caught ‘Laurelwood’ Park and Willa-metty, hopefully he finds reason to talk about the street between burnside and Davis sometime soon). I think it’s fair when you have a chance to even briefly interact with people of relative influence to challenge them on weaker points 
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Jan 20, 2021 19:58
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Junpei Hyde posted:I think cspam is probably a better place to talk about how US interventionism loving sucks. Please do it there instead. Bob makes podcasts about war. Is war off limits because this isn't the politics forum?
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Jan 20, 2021 20:07
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Glad that dumb derail is over. I just wanted to say that I love your work. My worldview has been a long journey from a Conservative upbringing, and your stuff has been part of my moving beyond the Democrats to fully embrace socialism. Also met a pretty cool girl over a shared interest in your output. I look forward to whatever you do next (also please more Billy Wayne guest spots)
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Jan 20, 2021 20:09
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Protip: it's pronounced two ways. Kind of like "worster" or "wurster" sauce(the chestershire part is silent), or the way that will not trip you up, "Lee and Perrins". Best way to eat it is a little dash in the top of a bag of salt and vinegar crisps/chips, roll the top, shake it up, and you're set.
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Jan 21, 2021 09:13
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Just think Jeeves and Wooster.
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Jan 21, 2021 09:40
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HashtagGirlboss posted:if nothing else than to rib the guy for mispronouncing Portland landmarks It’s also every American’s thing when pronouncing foreign names. mrfart fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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Jan 21, 2021 10:08
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Robert refuses to recognize Australia by pronouncing our dumb poo poo correctly
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Jan 21, 2021 11:24
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big putsch energy Now that the big go to two insurrections are done...what others? Hoping to see some self-coups or Quisling’s clusterfuck
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Jan 21, 2021 21:45
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teen witch posted:big putsch energy maybe hungary because they had like 2 or 3 right wing coups during the war and than the nazis stepped in directly when they didnt kill jews fast enough. plus tons of CIA backed poo poo in the cold war. maybe july 20th against hitler because that was mostly military conservatives blaming hitler for losing the war and poo poo. also i agree with sophie. young Goering isnt attractive. dudes pointy as gently caress and his eyes give me the creeps.
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Jan 21, 2021 23:06
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teen witch posted:big putsch energy Maybe the Reichstag Fire and def some fascist Spain stuff
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Jan 22, 2021 08:18
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teen witch posted:big putsch energy Do military coups count (i.e. all the CIA backed fuckery)? If so, then Pinochet should definitely be there.
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More like “Worcestershire-year-ever”, am I right? 
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Well at least now we know how Bernie killed JFK although I don't approve of the time travelling shenanigans.
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UncleButts posted:Glad that dumb derail is over. Reading poo poo like that always reminds me why I stay a normie centrist Democrat. Pure spite. Anyway. Big fan, Robert. Love BtB and every miniseries. First chapter of your novel was very inspired and right up my alley, sci-fi wise. Ever read anything by Richard K. Morgan? Have you ever considered doing a BtB series on paranormal hucksters like David Paulides? Missing 411 is some straight up bastard exploiting personal tragedy poo poo.
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Jan 24, 2021 23:41
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speaking of the dumbass derail and weird black and white tankie poo poo. i know Robert already covered the Japanese red army. but there is a great story about a smaller group that basicaly killed the left in japan called the united red army. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Red_Army they legit killed most of their memeber in "self criticism" sessions in the moutains and than the survovors took hostages in a lodge and it turned into a violent blood bath. basicaly the leaders had been embarased in a bigger lefty group and they split off and got ultra stupid about it, there is a fantastic movie from japan about it that i recommend to everyone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Red_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asama-Sans%C5%8D_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Red_Army_(film) it would be an interesting episode, i am sure you could tie some deep lesson in with it. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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Jan 25, 2021 03:24
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Dapper_Swindler posted:speaking of the dumbass derail and weird black and white tankie poo poo. While he hasn't done a deep dive on them, he did cover them in the Golden Age of Hijacking episode.
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Jan 25, 2021 09:54
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Testekill posted:While he hasn't done a deep dive on them, he did cover them in the Golden Age of Hijacking episode. oh gently caress. sorry. would love a deep dive someday though. not that i have thing against leftism or anything. its just really sad because they start out cool and good and than it just implodes because of a bunch of the leaders insecurities.
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Jan 26, 2021 00:15
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We got Spanish Fascism!!! I feel weird being excited about it but it’s fascinating as hell how long reaching it really was!
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I haven’t listened to a BtB in about 4 months, couldn’t take any more sad history facts about insane fake doctors cracking baby spines, no matter how informative or eloquent it was, but Rob’s Twitter was sayin’ how rough this script was to write, so my morbid curiosity is peaked.
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Bust Rodd posted:I haven’t listened to a BtB in about 4 months, couldn’t take any more sad history facts about insane fake doctors cracking baby spines, no matter how informative or eloquent it was, but Rob’s Twitter was sayin’ how rough this script was to write, so my morbid curiosity is peaked. Oh yeah I expect this one to be a soul crusher. it’s criminal how little I learned about it in school but on the other hand I almost understand why
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teen witch posted:Oh yeah I expect this one to be a soul crusher. it’s criminal how little I learned about it in school but on the other hand I almost understand why same, i know nothing about Spanish civil war and franco outside that movie with the clowns, that rear end in a top hat who got air juggled in his car to the top of a building and Guernica vaguely. i love history and know lots of time period.
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Sounds like it wasn't quite fashy enough to make the cut, but i'd be curious on a multiparter on the Government By Assassination and February 26 Incident in Japan. Not sure if there's a central bastard there or great sources in any language, tho.
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Mr. Fix It posted:Sounds like it wasn't quite fashy enough to make the cut, but i'd be curious on a multiparter on the Government By Assassination and February 26 Incident in Japan. Not sure if there's a central bastard there or great sources in any language, tho. we are still early in the series probably. we might still get that kinda stuff. the whole japanese goverment in the 30s and 40s is loving fascinating. its like the invasion of iraq in the W years but but the cabinanet and presidency were constantly getting assonated because junior officer or official got mad that the president didnt say something correctly in one speech in private about the invasion.
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HashtagGirlboss posted:I listen to and mostly enjoy Robert’s podcasts, but he’s also a rising star in left journalism and (at least here in Portland especially due to his very dedicated coverage of the events of this summer) picking up a lot of influence. I find his casual dismissal of anti-intervention positions as tankies troubling because there’s compelling good faith reasons to be deeply skeptical of western intervention and the media narratives that sell it. If I’d realized this thread was about his content (in retrospect machetes is kind of obvious but there’s a billion podcasts out there) I probably would have posted in here sooner, if nothing else than to rib the guy for mispronouncing Portland landmarks (I’ve caught ‘Laurelwood’ Park and Willa-metty, hopefully he finds reason to talk about the street between burnside and Davis sometime soon). I think it’s fair when you have a chance to even briefly interact with people of relative influence to challenge them on weaker points oh hey, i got no issue discussing this and doing a back and forth, I had a perfectly civil and evidence based discussion with someone else in this thread who disagrees with me. it's the dude who keeps saying i'm pro regime change in venezuela and never actually does anything but shitpost that i don't particularly respect, but I'm just gonna ignore him from here on out i don't think anyone who is against intervention is a tankie. thinking any intervention in the syrian civil war is a bad idea is a logically and morally defensible position. when people start making conspiracy theories to argue that Assad didn't gas anyone is when it crosses the Tankie bridge to me.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:we are still early in the series probably. we might still get that kinda stuff. the whole japanese goverment in the 30s and 40s is loving fascinating. its like the invasion of iraq in the W years but but the cabinanet and presidency were constantly getting assonated because junior officer or official got mad that the president didnt say something correctly in one speech in private about the invasion. next two episodes are on "the fascists that failed", so we're talking Feb 6 1934 in Paris and then the Business Plot. there are a bunch more i could've done but the series has to end at some point so we can talk about grifters again and give people a break. and also give me a break. the spanish civil war episodes were hard.
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GunFondler42069 posted:next two episodes are on "the fascists that failed", so we're talking Feb 6 1934 in Paris and then the Business Plot. It's been a while since I last commented, but I just wanted to say thanks for this series and, even though I may not agree with your politics 100% of the time, I still find your insights of benefit and appreciate the labour that you and your colleagues put into this project.
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Jan 28, 2021 10:11
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Sophie fought fascists at the gates of Madrid. This is canon now.
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Froghammer posted:Anderson fought fascists at the gates of Madrid.
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Jan 28, 2021 17:03
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¡Anderson, presente!
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The other day I was thinking about how great it would be to have an LBJ episode, but ONLY if it focuses on his weird fixation on his own genitals, and ONLY if the guest has never heard him ordering pants so that we can hear Robert inflict that on them in real time.
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Jan 28, 2021 17:56
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teen witch posted:¡Anderson, presente! Anderson and Sophie, when the walls fell.
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Everett False posted:The other day I was thinking about how great it would be to have an LBJ episode, but ONLY if it focuses on his weird fixation on his own genitals, and ONLY if the guest has never heard him ordering pants so that we can hear Robert inflict that on them in real time. you're right about this. i think the only reason i've avoided doing more president episodes (we've done two on Reagan, and referenced bastardry from a few others) is that my old boss Dan wrote a whole book about them and I always feel a little like I'd be stomping on his territory, which is dumb of me
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