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https://twitter.com/PeachesNplum/status/1352965120306126851 I'm sure this will go over well with Govan's Asian community.
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Lest we not also forget that you are vastly in the minority in being willing to do that, and the people who care far more about nationalism than anything to do with a left wing government is the group of people you will be escaping to, and the people who will be actively looking to sabotage any left wing government to get another referendum. You don't matter to them, I don't matter to them, they will use us all to take what they want and we will get nothing from it, because that's how power works, and the power rests with the pricks at the top and that's not going to change if you make the country smaller, not in scotland, not in the north, not in europe, not anywhere. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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i thought that was katy price, then
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OwlFancier posted:Lest we not also forget that you are vastly in the minority in being willing to do that, and the people who care far more about nationalism than anything to do with a left wing government is the group of people you will be escaping to, and the people who will be actively looking to sabotage any left wing government to get another referendum. Given that's also been the group in power in the UK since time immemorial it doesn't seem like there's much to lose, and at least with Scottish independence you get to see red-faced men crying in the street as the union flags are ceremonially burned and people are thrown in jail just for saying they're English.
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What you're more likely to get is the SNP campaigning against any potential left UK government and subsequently just a lot more dead rUKers which is basically as good.
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OwlFancier posted:Yes and I do too but what we think makes absolutely no difference because there is no popular support for that position and certainly no institutional support for it even if there was. Worst case is that the UKIPs glom onto you as proof that "we're not racist, because the EU is racist, they're saying so, so we must be Not Racist" but even that gets a platform (possible, but it depends whether they're more scared of legitimizing left voices than they are of the europs). Best case is that it causes a shift in the actual dealings of the Conservatives wrt the EU (very unlikely). Most hopeful realistic case is that it means that Corbyn's Labour isn't completely hamstrung on the Brexit issue in 2019.
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When you think about it a lot of countries around the world would probably have been a lot better off if they had just immediately thrown in jail everyone who said they were English. England not least. Britain for the Britons, Angles out.
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The 2019 problem is because the liberals and tories spent the last however loving long turning both sides of the brexit argument into id-void-screaming stupidity so the actual material results were irrelevant, the remainers just want to remain for its own sake, the leavers just want to leave and start hanging people with incandescent light bulbs and fish. I don't think there even is a platform for "leave but for good reasons" at that point because the tories were still extremely explicit about campaigning for the right wing leavers (who are the majority) and the libs are working hard to manufacture the ideological remain position, which I think would have done far better than it did if labour had not adopted the second referendum. Ultimately what you were dealing with was that there were just a great many people who wanted to leave and wanted the tories to be the ones doing it. And I think the lexit argument is a far more niche one than the second referendum position. The reason it didn't cause as much of a problem in 2017 was because may was absolutely loving poo poo and not running on a rah rah brexit hard now platform which was what the tories really wanted. On a brexit election labour were always going to lose to both the libs and the tories because both of them were appealing to the drooling flag eating idiot vote.
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i really think they could just have made the passports blue and changed back to using imperial measures and old newspapers for wrapping fish and chips and the leave people would have been happy enough
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crispix posted:i really think they could just have made the passports blue and changed back to using imperial measures and old newspapers for wrapping fish and chips and the leave people would have been happy enough I'd be loving fuming though. Imperial measures make absolutely no loving sense to me.
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah you'd think she'd at least be able to get to 14 words.  The Question IRL posted:Everytime I see the thread decide to push away Scotland issues (particularly when it relates to Independence) I get the feeling that if these forums had been around in the 1910's, they'd be saying the same thing around Ireland. big scary monsters posted:Britain for the Britons, Angles out.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It is odd to see people decry nationalism and then demand English posts for English people in the same post. A thing I am definitely doing, yes.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:
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forkboy84 posted:Not what I said you plank. I said you don't see them criticised for their British nationalism specifically. Which they absolutely, indisputably are, BritNats. er no we criticise the Tory party for their nationalism all the time, whenever we mock them for wanting to go back to the days of the empire or talking about "Britane stronk" or how the craven EU were going to give us everything we asked for or etc etc etc etc and Keith and his crew were roundly mocked for their attempts to reclaim patriotism as a Labour value really we criticise nationalist politicians from every party and/or country, but for some reason the Scottish posters tend to take this as a personal attack in the way that no-one else does
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It would have been nice if the incredible political engagement during the Indyref had led to any real examination of the massive and mendacious lies the SNP told during that campaign, and had punished the. In any way afterwards instead of handing them huge electoral success. I do think that they heavily inspired the brexit campaign. They proved that lying in a referendum is win-win.
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forkboy84 posted:I'd be loving fuming though. Imperial measures make absolutely no loving sense to me. Agreed. (Except for personal body measurements - seeing your bust size in cm is quite scary. Inches are much better.) I've quite a few American friends and I'm forever having to convert F to C and if I make temperature related posts I have to put the F in brackets after the F. And estate agents - I thought they were supposed to have moved over to m years ago but some still only post in feet & inches so my calculator is going clickety clack to be able to get a handle on what the size is. FFS we went metric while I was a young teen and I'm old enough to be ma or grandma to some ITT! Should have gone full on in 1975 like we were supposed to.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Agreed. (Except for personal body measurements - seeing your bust size in cm is quite scary. Inches are much better.) Couldn't agree more. Incidentally, my favourite band is 22.86cm Nails.
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Funnily enough F works better for temperatures in northern coastal Europe, where they're normally between 0 at lowest and 100 at most and 50 is mild, than they do for the US where it goes from -20 to 120 or more and the one advantage of being able to use it like a percentage scale goes out the window.
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I'm going to be Mrs Unpopular now - tories have made and continue to make a dreadful hash of covid-19 but the public must share some of the blame. I just went for a walk round the fields which involved a 7 min walk up through the town high st (and back again). Almost no masks outside of the shops (compulsory in shops in Wales), people hanging around in groups (and overhearing conversations such as 'hi how are you not seen you for ages, getting a bit bored of all this now' so they're not a 'single household' which as there are 4 or 5 adults and a bunch of kids makes that unlikely anyway!)
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I'm going to be Mrs Unpopular now - tories have made and continue to make a dreadful hash of covid-19 but the public must share some of the blame. Well sort of, but most of us are powerless in an overall sense so blame is super super minimal. Compliance with the rules is still high, but the rules mean nearly all socialising and recreation is banned except what can be done online or in household groups and that's extremely difficult for many people when at the same time they're required to attend their work or face poverty. Being banned from seeing your friends but required to see your boss and coworkers is a special kind of hell, and that's because the current lockdown (a comrade of mine is calling it a 'mockdown') is still very poor in terms of doing the right things and minimising the costs of doing the right things. When 99% of the blame lies with the structures we live under I really cannot get excited about the 1% of blame lying with actual individual choice and behaviour.
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The public are doing a lot wrong, but *desmond tutu voice* if your public health guidelines aren't working, you change your guidelines, because you can't change your public. Tories still to blame for this fuckup. Also you only need to drop transmission by 60% or so to stop an epidemic, so it doesn't require people to act perfectly, but it does require guidelines to get people acting to 60% reduction in transmission.
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Guavanaut posted:Funnily enough F works better for temperatures in northern coastal Europe, where they're normally between 0 at lowest and 100 at most and 50 is mild, than they do for the US where it goes from -20 to 120 or more and the one advantage of being able to use it like a percentage scale goes out the window. It's simple: 278.15°K and below is time for woolly jumpers, 288.15°K is t-shirt weather and 293.15°K is taps aff. Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out above 308.15°K.
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The public are only to blame in as much as they are following absolutely poo poo guidance that's riddled with loopholes, themselves only in place because Boris refused to push Gove and Cummings under the bus when they blatantly ignored the WHO's guidance. That and the fact that the government and social media sites absolutely refuse to crack down on anti mask cranks because that particular avenue of right wing insanity is incredibly useful to them.
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forkboy84 posted:I'd be loving fuming though. Imperial measures make absolutely no loving sense to me. Now calm yourself down and we'll have a chat about it over a half a hogshead of ale or a demiard of tea if you prefer
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OwlFancier posted:Some people apparently do seem to have a material need for socialization, I don't understand it but given I had someone almost die through lack of it earlier in the year it seems to be just as real as the need for food and air. My neighbour whose granddaughter is a nurse was telling me a couple of days ago about a little old lady I used to see about the town - in her 90s, she's very bent up - almost double, used to trundle around in her town with a shopping trolley. Apparently she was in hospital for weeks and is now alone at home (not a care home, a house) and has had no visitors, no letters, no cards, no phone calls for weeks now and can't go out (for whatever - non covid - reason she was in hospital). Now I can imagine living like this would be extremely difficult. I have no problem being on my own but then I have the internet and yackity yack with folk online all day and half the night (to the extent that I had to take 24 hours offline yesterday to give myself some space.) The neighbour's daughter who is similar age to me also said if it hadn't been for the internet, this lockdown would have been considerably more difficult. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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crispix posted:Now calm yourself down and we'll have a chat about it over a half a hogshead of ale When I was at school, we still had exercise books that had rods poles and perches conversion tables on the back. A rod = a perch = 5.5 yards 1 chain = 4 perches. 80 chains = 1 mile. They still use chains on the railways and tracks are marked out in miles and chains. But they're supposed to be doing away with that 'in the next couple of decades'. https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2013/10/01-end-of-the-line-for.html
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sebzilla posted:Couldn't agree more. It took me far too long to figure out why the colour frame in a PAR64 (stage light) was exactly 254mm square. It took me even longer to learn that the PAR64 is so called because the lamp is 64 eighths of an inch across. A totally normal unit to measure things in. OwlFancier posted:The 2019 problem is because the liberals and tories spent the last however loving long turning both sides of the brexit argument into id-void-screaming stupidity so the actual material results were irrelevant, the remainers just want to remain for its own sake, the leavers just want to leave and start hanging people with incandescent light bulbs and fish. I must agree with the washing machine prince here. Also you have to look at it not just from 2016 onwards, but the the decades-long very slow build up that got us to the point where PF Cameron decided that he should, nay must, call a referendum. This momentum, through a drip-feed of Boris' Barmy Brussels articles, the rise of UKIP, from Robert Kilroy-Silk (remember him?) to Nigel Farage, noisier eurosceptic backbench Tories and the mainstreaming of the concept that later became Brexit, was always a right-wing project that wanted to get away from the "good" bits of the EU so they could be nastier. By the time the referendum hit, I think turning it around into anything resembling Lexit would have been like trying to do a handbrake turn in the ship from Speed 2 - This Time It's A Boat. As you say, there's definitely high double figures who want precisely the kind of Brexit we're now getting.
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Bobstar posted:definitely high double figures who want precisely the kind of Brexit we're now getting. There's high doubel figures who THOUGHT they did, but didn't understand what it meant. I'd be stunned if there's double figures at all who both understood what it meant and still wanted it regardless.
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ThomasPaine posted:I don't bother wearing a mask outside tbh, unless you're milling around in huge crowds and keeping your distance as much as possible you'd have to be very unlucky to pick it up. Enforcing mask wearing outside feels more than a little performative. Next time you're out in frosty weather, see how far the clouds of condensing breathe (carrying lung gunk) are around non-mask wearers compared with mask wearers. My niece was going to film it with her bubble-partner to show the difference. I read an article in Institute of Physics mag a few months ago saying 8m would be a better social distance rather than the measly 2m. I try to stick to that as much as possible. Research from American IoP https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-12/aiop-mne122120.php quote:NEWS RELEASE 22-DEC-2020 Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Next time you're out in frosty weather, see how far the clouds of condensing breathe (carrying lung gunk) are around non-mask wearers compared with mask wearers. That's true, assuming perfectly still conditions, but any wind etc and the droplets are going to be dispersed very quickly. I agree it's still important to keep your distance though (and I personally hold my breath when people have to pass closer than I'm comfortable with lol, for what good it might do). I still think you'd have to be astronomically unlucky to catch it from someone you've passed for a couple of seconds in the park.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Next time you're out in frosty weather, see how far the clouds of condensing breathe (carrying lung gunk) are around non-mask wearers compared with mask wearers. https://twitter.com/TheFirstFlavian/status/1288421466359377921?s=20 Vs:  (Also lol that the guy vaping with the mask and saying "look masks don't do anything!" is actually perfectly demonstrating just how much masks do.) E: Also there's a youtube vid which shows it well here (in the first minute): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P27HRClMf2U WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Next time you're out in frosty weather, see how far the clouds of condensing breathe (carrying lung gunk) are around non-mask wearers compared with mask wearers. /\ /\ /\ What Thomas Paine said, also, being warmer than the air around you, it'll rise as well.
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The enormous amount of water in the mask and on my beard is actually spontaneously generated and not what would normally have been going everywhere.
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thespaceinvader posted:There's high doubel figures who THOUGHT they did, but didn't understand what it meant. Interesting. I think it depends exactly what permutation you feed into the stats machine. If you travelled back to 24 June 2016 and described how it turned out in bullet points - no CU, SM, FoM, Boris is PM, no ECJ, a trade deal that gets us out of all things that start with "Euro-", and the metropolitan elites paying customs fees for their fancy EU online shopping, I think you'd get high numbers saying "yes, that's what I voted for yesterday". If you detailed the downsides we're already seeing in the news, you'd lose a few people but still retain a core who think it doesn't/won't affect them. And I think a good proportion of those people will carry over to the present, just because it seems like the "real" Brexit they were after. Fully understanding the implications and still being happy with this? I agree that will be very few.
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kingturnip posted:/\ /\ /\ Have a look though. It goes in a sort of globe round a non-mask wearers head. With masks it goes more or less straight up in a column. (I'm talking about a normal sort of walk and breath, not running or vaping or whatever).
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