Nuns with Guns posted:

I don't know what Babysitter Super Sleuth is specifically referring to, but with Cyberpunk 20XX (and also Shadowrun in a similar vein) both "balance" the installation of cyber augments by baking into the mechanics certain ways it dissociates you from your humanity or otherwise removes you from being "natural". In the Cyberpunk RPGs you usually have an Empathy score that goes down as you get more augments, and if your Empathy score hits 0, you enter a cyber-psychosis killing state and the character reverts to a GM-controlled NPC. This is kind of lovely, given plenty of people who do have modern day "augments" or artificial limbs manage not to do this.

Terrible Opinions posted:

Not really. It's a super obvious case of "you are not allowed to be as cool as the guys in the illustrations" that afflicted all 90s rpgs. Hence turning you into an NPC on a random dice roll.

Nuebot posted:

40k in its various flavours always had a problem with this too. The lore, and books, were full of cool mutants, demons, and weird monster men and you're like "Wow cool I can't wait to be a psyker!" and then three sessions in you kill your whole team by accident and the DM's just like "Yeah I guess you're a crazy monster now, everyone gets to roll up new sheets."

Nuebot posted:

40k in its various flavours always had a problem with this too. The lore, and books, were full of cool mutants, demons, and weird monster men and you're like "Wow cool I can't wait to be a psyker!" and then three sessions in you kill your whole team by accident and the DM's just like "Yeah I guess you're a crazy monster now, everyone gets to roll up new sheets."

Nuebot posted:

40k in its various flavours always had a problem with this too. The lore, and books, were full of cool mutants, demons, and weird monster men and you're like "Wow cool I can't wait to be a psyker!" and then three sessions in you kill your whole team by accident and the DM's just like "Yeah I guess you're a crazy monster now, everyone gets to roll up new sheets."

Terrible Opinions posted:

That's why we play Black Crusade in this household, where you start as a crazy monster.

Grondoth posted:

You also killed everyone while trying to make someone drop their gun, too. It's not like you were doing anything cool.

Nuebot posted:

Every time. I've sworn off of ever disarming people again since the last time I tried, my character's gun exploded in his hand and blew his entire arm off.

Ghostlight posted:

killing your entire team and permanently chaosfrying yourself in the process sounds like you get to be exactly as cool as the illustrations though.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

How is this not deemed a successful effort to disarm someone? It's 40K, after all

Michael Caine posted:

You were only supposed to blow their bloody arms off!

stillvisions posted:

I mean, you're part of the illustration, you're just in that pile of inevitable pile of body parts ever 40K cover character is standing on.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

The way I read it was they're probably replacing/augmenting parts of the player's brain as well in order to control those limbs with cannons/blades/claws/etc, and when their Empathy score ticks down to 0 that means there's nothing of the player's brain left so they become an automated killing machine.

nurmie posted:

so this video popped up in my recommended and apparently selling literally radioactive poo poo online under the guise of it being good for you because "negative ions" is... a thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BA5bw1EV5I

Nuns with Guns posted:

You could take something like that literally, just like you could take HP in a game as literal pints of blood or chunks of flesh, but I think it's meant to be at least partially abstracted in the same way. And like, it's not far off from the reality that yeah if you were installing cyber-eyes in your head that constantly gave you targeting reticles and a feed of personal and physiological data on every person you looked at, then it would alter how you experience mundane things like being in the checkout at the supermarket, compatibility chips in your brain or not.

But the execution is the issue here. Having those things installed immediately deducts from your Empathy score, with buildup leading to random "gently caress you" rolls until you lose control of the character. Disassociation may happen as you alter more of your body to be a more efficient murder machine, in an effort to stay alive feeding on the scraps of bloated corporations, but there is also something inherently problematic about saying advanced technological limbs or other body parts will inevitably make you inhuman and go crazy. I don't think this is something that was really considered when it was baked into games like the Cyberpunk RPGs or Shadowrun.

It's a simplistic attempt at balance that (as other people have mentioned) still failed to even do that often because of inherent flaws in the system math. Also maybe a "roleplaying" hook for angst, which failed at that because a lot of this was all unwillingly foisted on you from random die rolls. Other games of the time like Vampire would have similar attempts to juggle humanity scores with self-destructive actions and tended to lapse into similar "consequences", so I don't think this was all "comically, insanely, over the top ableist", unless there's something else people keep bringing up on twitter about the old games that I missed. It's dated and aged exceptionally poorly, and the race stuff even moreso, but tabletop RPGs also live in the shadow of D&D and I think a lot of distorted notions of what are appropriate ways to portray other cultures, people of differing abilities, or generally how to approach roleplaying and player/game master interactions. Even when a game is going "Oh, yeah, well I'm making a game that's not D&D. Here's all the ways it's not D&D! Look how distinct from D&D we are!" like a huge glut of 80s and 90s tabletop games were obsessed with doing.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

agreed but it think its less the "cyberlimbs" and more "targeting computers in your brains + weapon implants" gently caress with your perception and damage your empathy because eventually everything looks like a target. etc. anyway, i believe 2077 has kind of walked away from that and made it an excuse corpos/cops make when someone has a violent breakdown so they don't have to invest in mental health, all the cyberpsychos in the game are either legit sociopaths or people who had legit giant breakdowns etc. the sociopaths get picked up by the cops and turned into elite police units because ACAB while the others will be gunned down or disappeared.

Kaiser Mazoku posted:

James Rolfe plays his 3 year old's Mario Maker levels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxAp6aFUbiI

nurmie posted:

so this video popped up in my recommended and apparently selling literally radioactive poo poo online under the guise of it being good for you because "negative ions" is... a thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BA5bw1EV5I

Ghostlight posted:

also, DaThings crushing it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLBB9zaOD4U

Nuns with Guns posted:

Oh yeah this is a situation that is super easily fixed by pointing out that the things that degrade your mental or emotional well-being are the probably-illegal augments whose sole purpose is making you a more optimal criminal cyber-killer, or the byproduct of other trauma compounded on top of defective or dangerous cybeware. The problem lies in the older versions of the game where there was no delineation, or any similar games that still don't do that.

It reminds me of how cyberware is handled in a much smaller, more compact cyberpunk pen and paper RPG called Technoir, where characters can get cyberware installed, the problem is it's absurdly expensive and bound to drag them down into a cycle of debt with loan sharks and dubious dealers, or they're badass reminders of near-death experiences. It's a much smaller game though and doesn't waste page space drooling over gear and granular combat to the degree the Cyberpunk and Shadowrun do.

Ghostlight posted:

Grapplejack posted:

e: he's beaten rdr2 three times

Grapplejack posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llrebUD0pk0

drat dunkey has bad taste

e: he's beaten rdr2 three times

Grapplejack posted:

drat dunkey has bad taste

muscles like this! posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfdls1fqJE
Video almost nobody has watched but is about my pet peeve from the Now You See Me series, they like to claim that the characters are just stage magicians but they frequently are just straight up wizards.

Dias posted:

This is actually a pretty fun video, I'm gonna check out more stuff by this dude. Also he kinda reminds me of Chris Pratt.

muscles like this! posted:

I'm not sure why the Youtube algorithm served it up to me but I did like it. Although he does need to invest in either a lav or something so he isn't just holding his microphone all the time.