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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
How would you balance a 3e healing monk? Dropping to 1/2 BAB would be the obvious genre-appropriate exchange for healing their unarmed damage die 3/day. That's 6d10 at level 20, which is insane, especially if you grant a few more uses as their level up! At 6/day they could heal 120 HP for free!

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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках
Is there a reason not to just give a cleric unarmed strike as their deity's preferred weapon?

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


90s Cringe Rock posted:

How would you balance a 3e healing monk? Dropping to 1/2 BAB would be the obvious genre-appropriate exchange for healing their unarmed damage die 3/day. That's 6d10 at level 20, which is insane, especially if you grant a few more uses as their level up! At 6/day they could heal 120 HP for free!

Please tell me this is a jokepost. Somebody else lie if you have to.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

More to the point, what does rebalancing a class in an old edition of D&D have to do with TG as an industry?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Playing a Wizard and forcing everyone else to play Monks and Fighters (and maybe a dedicated healbot) would be a pretty straightforward replication of the isekai genre
Just doing my part to make bad D&D conversions real.

So uh that industry.

Baron Snow
Feb 8, 2007


Haystack posted:

Reborn as the The Weakest Class "Monk," but I'll Prove it the Strongest... Wait, No, Nevermind it's Terrible

This reminds me. Does anyone have the full text of the SKR parody of The Tyger?

LaSquida
Nov 1, 2012

Just keep on walkin'.

Baron Snow posted:

This reminds me. Does anyone have the full text of the SKR parody of The Tyger?

...the whatnow

Baron Snow
Feb 8, 2007


It's old forums poo poo. I honestly don't remember how long ago it was, but someone was using it in their avatar for a while. The Tyger is the William Blake poem that goes

Tyger Tyger, burning bright,
In the forests of the night;
What immortal hand or eye,
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

and someone here in the sub-forum made a parody making fun of SKR, with the punchline

Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Monk make thee?

also in responding to this thread this time I realize this is the industry thread, but well, that's where we're at now.

LaSquida
Nov 1, 2012

Just keep on walkin'.

Baron Snow posted:

It's old forums poo poo. I honestly don't remember how long ago it was, but someone was using it in their avatar for a while. The Tyger is the William Blake poem that goes

Tyger Tyger, burning bright,
In the forests of the night;
What immortal hand or eye,
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

and someone here in the sub-forum made a parody making fun of SKR, with the punchline

Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Monk make thee?

also in responding to this thread this time I realize this is the industry thread, but well, that's where we're at now.

Ah, thank you! I'm very familiar with the Blake, and for a moment was concerned that SKR had somehow fancied himself or his work somehow Blakeian.

UrbanLabyrinth
Jan 28, 2009

When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence


College Slice
So Phil Eklund has been saying some stuff recently that's got some attention

I wonder what it would be? Oh.

Can't wait for Pax Pandemic in 2022 with Coronavirus, Authoritarian Overreach, Free-market healthcare, Socialised healthcare factions.

admanb
Jun 18, 2014

UrbanLabyrinth posted:

So Phil Eklund has been saying some stuff recently that's got some attention

I wonder what it would be? Oh.

Can't wait for Pax Pandemic in 2022 with Coronavirus, Authoritarian Overreach, Free-market healthcare, Socialised healthcare factions.

If it follows the pattern of his other games it'll have a bunch of essays about how socialized healthcare and lockdowns are bad, and then in game the most viable victory condition will be with lockdowns and socialized healthcare.

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

admanb posted:

If it follows the pattern of his other games it'll have a bunch of essays about how socialized healthcare and lockdowns are bad, and then in game the most viable victory condition will be with lockdowns and socialized healthcare.

Thatll make it the most realistic board game yet

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
"Some have called COVID-19 a blessing because it's saved lives actually thanks to people staying inside and not getting into traffic accidents" is the exact same energy as that dril tweet about whether drunk driving is bad or not.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Kai Tave posted:

"Some have called COVID-19 a blessing because it's saved lives actually thanks to people staying inside and not getting into traffic accidents" is the exact same energy as that dril tweet about whether drunk driving is bad or not.

I think my favourite one of those, in terms of examples of people just not understanding statistics at all, was people saying COVID's good because it's meant we've had fewer flu deaths. The fewer deaths are because so many people vulnerable to pneumonia have already died of covid

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





It's a good thing covid prevented all traffic fatalities in 2020, thus saving ~36,000 lives in the US alone!

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

spectralent posted:

I think my favourite one of those, in terms of examples of people just not understanding statistics at all, was people saying COVID's good because it's meant we've had fewer flu deaths. The fewer deaths are because so many people vulnerable to pneumonia have already died of covid

In Thailand it's because everyone was wearing masks and flu infections were just way, way down. It's almost like we could have been preventing illness this whole time but have just been choosing not to.

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack
"Really we should be thankful all these people died of COVID because it meant they weren't killed by something way worse, like axe murderers!"

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
Uhm

I missed whatever led to this.

https://twitter.com/funagaingames/status/1352329830197456896?s=19

dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jan 21, 2021

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

It was this:

https://imgur.com/a/GEzCBNm

That statement also doesn't sound like he's actually divesting from FunAgain, so it sounds like he'll still get money from its business? He'll just be less front facing, which, y'know, good, but still.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

GrandpaPants posted:

It was this:

https://imgur.com/a/GEzCBNm

That statement also doesn't sound like he's actually divesting from FunAgain, so it sounds like he'll still get money from its business? He'll just be less front facing, which, y'know, good, but still.
Ooooooh part of the Eklund stuff. Got it.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out


Screenshot here cover it. Heavy Cardboard criticised Eklund for his dumb pandemic game, DeBoer got real misogynist trying to leap to Eklund's defense

https://twitter.com/WatchItPlayed/status/1351262562495684610

e;fb

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack
Can I just say that, in addition to his statements and overall tone being terrible, DeBoer's statements read like they were written by a weird robot programmed to be chauvinistic? Like, the actual construction of his comments feel really off in the way you usually see from chatbots.

"Hey, how about you tell me more about [TOPIC] while you get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich?"

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Tarnop posted:

Screenshot here cover it. Heavy Cardboard criticised Eklund for his dumb pandemic game, DeBoer got real misogynist trying to leap to Eklund's defense

https://twitter.com/WatchItPlayed/status/1351262562495684610

e;fb

oh im not in the nhl thread

potatocubed
Jul 26, 2012

*rathian noises*
Who's Phil Eklund? The name rings a bell but I can't place it.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
Walls of Text
#1 Builder
2014-2018

GrandpaPants posted:

It was this:

https://imgur.com/a/GEzCBNm

That statement also doesn't sound like he's actually divesting from FunAgain, so it sounds like he'll still get money from its business? He'll just be less front facing, which, y'know, good, but still.

Yeah, considering he owns the company there's not a lot of ways to force him to divest.

homullus
Mar 27, 2009

potatocubed posted:

Who's Phil Eklund? The name rings a bell but I can't place it.

Libertarian rocket surgeon who fills his simulationist games (Neanderthal, Pax Pamir and many other Pax games) with halfway researched footnotes about the game's design and his world view. Also apparently thinks COVID didn't kill anyone who wasn't going to die already in 2020, which . . . I find really disappointing. I like his games because an effort to model human phenomena with the incentive structure of a game is interesting commentary worth examining and interrogating; there aren't many people who make tabletop games like that. But he's so full of poo poo. :(

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

I don’t think Eklund was involved in Pax Pamir

Moonwolf
Jun 29, 2004

Flee from th' terrifyin' evil of "NHS"!


Rockman Reserve posted:

I don’t think Eklund was involved in Pax Pamir

He was with Pax Pamir 1, not the rerelease that was on Kickstarter, that was Cole redoing some of the rules and completely rebuilding the rulebook to remove all of Eklund's racism.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Ah, that explains it. I was reading all this with a vague sense of horror and thinking “well, honestly I don’t think I have any Eklund games so that’s nice at least.” You had me worried!

I hope Cole is good people.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Not directly RPG related, but related enough to likely have an effect on things, an article about massively ramping shipping costs from China post-covid. The article is focused on imports to the UK, but even then there are issues that will be affecting goods being shipped elsewhere as well.

potatocubed
Jul 26, 2012

*rathian noises*
Related to that, got an email from DrivethruRPG the other day about how Brexit has hosed them up. You see, Lightning Source (the POD printer DTRPG works with) prints their stuff for Europe in the UK then ships it out -- but now someone has to pay a hefty whack of tax on top of shipping fees if you want to export things from the UK to the EU. Right now Lightning Source is absorbing those costs but they can't do that for long because they're so high -- soon they're going to need to dump them on the buyers.

It's beginning to look like any sort of international fulfilment of e.g. Kickstarters is going to have to be done via a bunch of local printers and distributors, which I don't think is a simple thing to negotiate.

Although I've also noticed that in the OSR zine scene they've already started doing this, with a number of smaller creators opening their web stores to other people -- or starting brand new web stores -- to allow for sales of physical books in distant territories. You ship a bunch of books to them, they sell them for you. I don't know the exact workings of this since I'm not cool enough to get into any of them, but it's a system with some potential.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

potatocubed posted:

Related to that, got an email from DrivethruRPG the other day about how Brexit has hosed them up. You see, Lightning Source (the POD printer DTRPG works with) prints their stuff for Europe in the UK then ships it out -- but now someone has to pay a hefty whack of tax on top of shipping fees if you want to export things from the UK to the EU. Right now Lightning Source is absorbing those costs but they can't do that for long because they're so high -- soon they're going to need to dump them on the buyers.

It's beginning to look like any sort of international fulfilment of e.g. Kickstarters is going to have to be done via a bunch of local printers and distributors, which I don't think is a simple thing to negotiate.

When Lancer was was planning their print run, they decided to check out printers in the US to see if there were any that could suit their needs before looking at international printing (this was before covid was a thing) and universally every local printer they checked out was more expensive for less quality than going with someone like China. Maybe there are better local printers and they just weren't looking in the right place, but they gave it a try and in the end it wasn't even really a decision.

Nowadays I don't know what the calculus is like, maybe if you take shipping costs into account printing local might be on a more level playing field, but as I've said here and elsewhere I think people are going to have to start getting used to the idea of indie RPG kickstarters that do print runs becoming much less common. It's just no longer economically feasible for someone with a $20-30k kickstarter to casually ship a batch of glossy hardcovers across the globe. Maybe the small batch zine thing with individuals acting as fulfillment services for friends might become a thing but that's still a far cry from the default expectation a lot of people are stuck in where RPG kickstarter = a 300-400 page hardback shipped to your doorstep for something resembling a reasonable cost.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



I suspect most crowdfunding will go PDF with printed versions being reserved for insane multiple hundred dollar backer tiers that come with pillowcases, keychains, and Funko Pops too.

Farming production out to different areas will result in highly variable costs and quality across regions and for anything that needs tooling like die cut cardboard or injection molds, you now have to make a new set of tooling in every region.

Ultiville
Jan 14, 2005

The law protects no one unless it binds everyone, binds no one unless it protects everyone.

Of course who knows what that will do to the board game side of the TG industry, where the physical product isn't negotiable.

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

Ultiville posted:

Of course who knows what that will do to the board game side of the TG industry, where the physical product isn't negotiable.

Get hype for unreasonably elaborate print and play!

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

Ultiville posted:

Of course who knows what that will do to the board game side of the TG industry, where the physical product isn't negotiable.

Hasn't there been some progress with printable materials?

Elector_Nerdlingen
Sep 27, 2004



DalaranJ posted:

Get hype for unreasonably elaborate print and play!

My partner absolutely loves unrealistically elaborate print & make stuff, and I've only just now connected the dots and realised that she'd probably be super stoked to assemble a boardgame from a series of files and raw materials.

Now I'm wondering if there's a market for playable scrapbooks or papercraft stuff. As in, reverse the focus and end up with "you will have a lot of fun making this thing, and when it's finished it's also a game". Like a map-making game for craft people.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



It’s hard to find a team that will do both well. The more likely outcome is neat papercraft that plays like checkers except somehow worse, or a good game and papercraft that’s crayon on a shopping bag.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Does anyone know if BOLT is cancelled? Jay Dragon in a comment for the latest update for Wanderhome, remarks on Ajey Pandey's "decision to remove himself from the TTRPG scene" as why she's pulling him as a contributing author, which is a pretty hosed way to hear about it. I found this thread after a poster there mentioned that SA was like, the only place talking about it.

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Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran

Kai Tave posted:

When Lancer was was planning their print run, they decided to check out printers in the US to see if there were any that could suit their needs before looking at international printing (this was before covid was a thing) and universally every local printer they checked out was more expensive for less quality than going with someone like China. Maybe there are better local printers and they just weren't looking in the right place, but they gave it a try and in the end it wasn't even really a decision.

These stories always make me wonder how Burning Wheel Gold was able to exist. That is hands-down one of the most beautiful hardcover RPG books ever printed, with gorgeous cover, high-quality paper, excellent binding, a page count of 599, and it's sold for $30 to $35. I get the impression that BWHQ doesn't do more than break even on each copy, so they could charge the market rate of $50-60 that you often see for hardcovers on Kickstarter, and provide a product that is light years ahead of what everyone else is doing for the same price. And it's all done in the US through Cushing-Malloy, a specialist small- and medium-run printer. Luke Crane might be a bookbinding nerd, but that alone can't account for this difference in outcomes.

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