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I'm currently at a large tech company (FAANG+) with a great manager and career trajectory, but the work and slowness of the company drives me bonkers. Should I suck it up, or is it worth taking a pay cut and jumping to a startup or elsewhere? I feel like I almost have it too good here and should just suck it up.
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Jan 11, 2021 00:54
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Money is everything
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Jan 11, 2021 01:04
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rt4 posted:Money is everything I disagree here. I used to work in high frequency trading where pay was 7 figures or approaching it and I would never go back 😞. Happiness and work life balance are super important.
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Jan 11, 2021 01:11
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sailormoon posted:I'm currently at a large tech company (FAANG+) with a great manager and career trajectory, but the work and slowness of the company drives me bonkers. Should I suck it up, or is it worth taking a pay cut and jumping to a startup or elsewhere? I feel like I almost have it too good here and should just suck it up. Internal transfer an option?
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Jan 11, 2021 01:22
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You aren't going to get work life balance in a startup. Startup is also going to be much closer to the finance job without the pay.
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Jan 11, 2021 01:58
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Man I’m here making 40k a year doing freelance stuff and happy, I couldn’t imagine making 6 piggies wow
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Jan 11, 2021 02:01
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I'm looking for my next programming job. I want to work writing javascript. Ideally working with react. I want to work from home or in the Seattle area. My current position is a contract position and has me using some esoteric tools that won't really be widely transferrable. Also the work does not involve as much actual programming as I was led to believe. So I feel like at work at least my skillset is stagnating. Besides just finding everything that is labeled Javascript and WFH and firing a resume at it, what approach should I take?
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Jan 13, 2021 19:07
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Sous Videodrome posted:I'm looking for my next programming job. I want to work writing javascript. Ideally working with react. I want to work from home or in the Seattle area. Do you have some good JS projects you can share on github or on a webpage? If you want to work with React I'd probably like to see some good live examples with some UI pop. How much experience do you have in general? If it's less than maybe 2 years you should still look but the market is still pretty bad right now. If you are a little more experienced its a lot better.
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Jan 13, 2021 21:59
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sailormoon posted:: this conflicts with your first statement then. Take your FAANG money and enjoy home life with the extra time from the slowness. Maybe pick up a new hobby.
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Jan 15, 2021 15:34
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Guildenstern Mother posted:Well good news, she opened with a number, said everyone in the training thing starts at the same and while she doesn't have the number yet its between 60-70, which is perfectly acceptable especially with the benefits. Charmed the recruiter, now to cram for the technical interview. I think that since they're essentially putting me into an 8 week bootcamp I don't have to have every answer perfect, but I'd like to not come across as a complete idiot. They're putting together a list of 40 people to interview and then narrowing it down to about 20, so I like my odds. So I got the study guide for the assessment, and its JS, which I don't know but its just the core stuff, no react etc, so it'll be fine. Probably. Should I mention at some point that I had no JS background after I've crushed the assessment? Or just keep my mouth shut?
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Jan 16, 2021 03:09
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JS has more footguns than most languages, so do a bit of reading before diving in
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Jan 16, 2021 03:31
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rt4 posted:JS has more footguns than most languages, so do a bit of reading before diving in Douglas Crockford has some good books and videos on JavaScript you can check out to get a general overview.
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Jan 16, 2021 03:45
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rt4 posted:JS has more footguns than most languages, Not to be snarky, but this would imply there are worse, and now I'm honestly curious is there's something worse
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Jan 16, 2021 04:35
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I'd be scared to write a web app in C but I'm not sure if it's worse than plain JS
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Jan 16, 2021 04:40
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Guildenstern Mother posted:So I got the study guide for the assessment, and its JS, which I don't know but its just the core stuff, no react etc, so it'll be fine. Probably. Should I mention at some point that I had no JS background after I've crushed the assessment? Or just keep my mouth shut? https://eloquentjavascript.net/ Good luck.
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Jan 16, 2021 12:34
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asur posted:Unless you have a personal connection in the company then the best you can do is try your best and hope that good performance in the other interviews will be enough to put you over the finish line. If you interview with the hiring manager you can try to spin the conversation around what you've done, but I probably wouldn't directly say that you don't have experience with algorithms. Thanks man. They actually called me up the next day and offered me the job. 
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Jan 16, 2021 20:58
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Hadlock posted:Not to be snarky, but this would imply there are worse, and now I'm honestly curious is there's something worse Perl6 
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Jan 16, 2021 21:02
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barkbell posted:https://eloquentjavascript.net/ I'm also a fan of this community project: https://javascript.info/ Good luck with the assessment.
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Jan 16, 2021 23:06
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Thanks! I'd been doing w3schools and codeacademy stuff, I'll check the rest of these out tonight edit: what is a footgun? Guildenstern Mother fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jan 17, 2021 |
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Jan 17, 2021 00:23
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Guildenstern Mother posted:Thanks! I'd been doing w3schools and codeacademy stuff, I'll check the rest of these out tonight
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Jan 17, 2021 01:07
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Guildenstern Mother posted:Thanks! I'd been doing w3schools and codeacademy stuff, I'll check the rest of these out tonight A gun that shoots you in the foot.
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Jan 17, 2021 01:08
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Ah, I can see why that would be a standard coding term.
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Jan 17, 2021 01:26
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I'm debating whether jumping into a bootcamp would be worth it for my situation. I have a degree in mechanical engineering and I've spend the last 9ish years working in the aerospace world. During that time I've done quite a bit of Matlab/Python programming (developed apps that either run analyses or automate the execution/deployment of large analyses run via commercial software on compute clusters). I started out as a Matlab junkie but over the last 5 years Python has become my weapon of choice. I've also done a fair bit of work with C, C++ and Fortran codes (but never from scratch). My work has also been exclusively in a linux environment so I'm very familiar with command line/scripting/version control etc. As much as I enjoy the programming aspects of my job I'm completely fatigued with the mechanical engineering aspects and dealing with physical hardware/manufacturing/aerospace red tape etc. I'd like to leverage my Python and Linux experience into a new software focused position. I'm pretty much open to anything but frontend (I've never really enjoyed working with html/css) and I'm ok with taking a pay/seniority cut to make this happen. When I look at job postings I feel like my biggest disadvantage (besides being a mechanical engineer) is alot of postings expect knowledge of web/networking/cloud related technologies, which frankly I have limited exposure to. Would a Python bootcamp push me over this hurdle? Any recommendations on a specific camp or resource/strategy to fill in these gaps?
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Jan 19, 2021 05:58
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Nohearum posted:I'm debating whether jumping into a bootcamp would be worth it for my situation. I have a degree in mechanical engineering and I've spend the last 9ish years working in the aerospace world. During that time I've done quite a bit of Matlab/Python programming (developed apps that either run analyses or automate the execution/deployment of large analyses run via commercial software on compute clusters). I started out as a Matlab junkie but over the last 5 years Python has become my weapon of choice. I've also done a fair bit of work with C, C++ and Fortran codes (but never from scratch). My work has also been exclusively in a linux environment so I'm very familiar with command line/scripting/version control etc. As much as I enjoy the programming aspects of my job I'm completely fatigued with the mechanical engineering aspects and dealing with physical hardware/manufacturing/aerospace red tape etc. It would, but it also sounds like you've got a lot of skills you don't need to pay someone to teach you, unless you thrive on structured learning environments. And as far as credentials go, an engineering degree and experience doing real-world Python development will probably put your resume ahead of most bootcamp grads. You'll still need to overcome some hurdles and send out a lot of resumes, but you're starting from a good position. I'd start out running through either the Flask tutorial or Django tutorial - they're both popular, well-documented, and reasonably beginner-friendly Python web frameworks. Play around with what comes out of the tutorials and implement some simple extensions to them. Then, sign up for AWS; you get twelve months of free services that are pretty generous at the hobbyist level, and as long as you remember to shut things down once you're done with them, you can play with all kinds of high-end toys for reasonable per-hour money*. Run through the AWS tutorials and learn to deploy what you built into ~the cloud~. Then, script the whole process up using Python and boto3 (the Python SDK that Amazon uses to build all their AWS CLI tooling) to have one command go from source from git and a set of AWS credentials to a deployed application your non-technical friends can pull up on their phone or laptop. If you can do that, you're more than qualified for all kinds of backend and devops jobs. *an example: Jeff Bezos will rent you a server with 48 cores, half a terabyte of RAM, and a 20 Gbps network interface for about five bucks an hour. It'll cost more once you factor in infrastructure, bandwidth, and storage for anything interesting that you're doing with it, but it's still something you can experiment with for beer money. Of course, if you don't turn it off, that reasonable hourly rate adds up and comes to $3300/month. When you're just learning how to do things in AWS and still eligible for the time-limited free tier services on modest instances, your costs will probably be in the single digit dollars per month if they break out of the free tier at all.
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Jan 19, 2021 07:14
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^^This is great advice and would be a good first step even if you decide you want to do a bootcamp later anyway. Also check your job postings by you. You may find Python isn't the best language to land an entry level job and the right path might be following the above advice then branching into something else. Also, this is a quibble, but frontend is not just lining up HTML or CSS. That's more UI/UX stuff. There's lots of frontend jobs where you don't need to worry about making things pretty. Don't get scared off by jobs listing as front-end.
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Jan 19, 2021 16:46
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Hadlock posted:Not to be snarky, but this would imply there are worse, and now I'm honestly curious is there's something worse PHP, C
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Jan 19, 2021 16:46
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Ooof. Did the take home assessment and couldn't get one part working because JS syntax is shaitan and it was a thing not mentioned on the study guide. I left what I had with a comment that I was getting a syntax error I couldn't place and did the rest writing functions based on the non working part that I couldn't test because the thing wasn't working. Hopefully that's enough. There's an optional one hour assessment that I think I might try and do after a break. Or should I not? Optional seems like it means trickier and I don't want to fall on my face again.
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Jan 21, 2021 01:32
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Not getting your program to run then skipping the optional sounds like basically giving up. I'd definitely do the optional assessment if you still want a fighting chance.
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Jan 21, 2021 15:45
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I bet doing the "optional" assessment correlates very strongly with being hired.
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Jan 21, 2021 19:01
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I hope you did the optional thing and at least got more experience with thoese types of assessments. Sadly, optional things suck and are more like hard requirements.
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Jan 22, 2021 19:35
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I did do the optional thing, and did better on it. Not fabulous but better. Had a friend go over both of them with me the next day, not solving anything for me but helpful things like "ok for no reason you need a comma here" etc. And I flew through them in no time once the time pressure was off. So if they do call me for an interview at least I'm ready to pull up my new code and say "here's what I should have done"
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Jan 22, 2021 19:52
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Should I (a fresh boot camp grad) do a job interview (working for my State) that is asking for 8 years of experience? I applied just because the boot camp employment assistant folks kept hammering home to ignore job requirements and apply for everything. Well, now the chickens have come home to roost and I think I'm in for an embarrassing video chat. Do it anyway just for practice?
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Jan 22, 2021 22:14
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the answer is always yes. interview practice is never bad
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Jan 22, 2021 22:14
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if 8 years were actually a requirement you would not have been called in for an interview. do it
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Jan 23, 2021 08:52
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It's always important to think of job requirements as more of a wish list than actual requirements. Getting a callback when they wanted 8 years is kind of wild but hey, they did call.
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Jan 23, 2021 12:38
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The HR people that write the job descriptions sometimes are not even talking to the engineering managers who are trying to fill out their team. Go wild applying and interviewing - the worst possible outcome is you bomb but get some insight into a problem or area you can learn more about for the next time.
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Jan 23, 2021 18:15
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dantheman650 posted:The HR people that write the job descriptions sometimes are not even talking to the engineering managers who are trying to fill out their team. Go wild applying and interviewing - the worst possible outcome is you bomb but get some insight into a problem or area you can learn more about for the next time. If you're going wild to apply, definitely do not waste time on cover letters.
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Jan 23, 2021 20:13
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huhu posted:If you're going wild to apply, definitely do not waste time on cover letters. Do cover letters for the handful of jobs a week that look especially gettable/ideal/whatever. For those 4-6 jobs you find every week that look special, take extra time to tailor your resume, write a custom cover letter specific to that job, and make sure you take every edge. I know its not realistic to do that for every application, but its worth the time for those that stick out. Fender posted:Should I (a fresh boot camp grad) do a job interview (working for my State) that is asking for 8 years of experience? I applied just because the boot camp employment assistant folks kept hammering home to ignore job requirements and apply for everything. Well, now the chickens have come home to roost and I think I'm in for an embarrassing video chat. Do it anyway just for practice? Should you play a game if you're given house money to play it with? Yes. Yes you should. Congrats on the interview and at absolute worst it's good practice, at best you just found a potentially great job.
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Jan 23, 2021 21:58
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What's the general consensus of bootcamps and job placement? Was thinking of signing up for Hack Reactor. Already have a technical background with 4-5 years of IT engineering experience. Admissable 4 year university classes aren't available to me until this time next year due to missed deadlines.
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Jan 24, 2021 02:04
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False Toaster posted:What's the general consensus of bootcamps and job placement? Was thinking of signing up for Hack Reactor. Already have a technical background with 4-5 years of IT engineering experience. Hack Reactor essentially filters for people who already have the necessary skills/background to get a mid-level dev job and should probably just apply already. It's not surprising Hack Reactor graduates generally get jobs - it's debatable whether they needed the program to do so.
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