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TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Applebees Appetizer posted:

I'd be surprised if that applies to the sport tbh.

Either way they hosed up, so own it. Don't try to intimidate the customer into bringing it back.

it's in their nature

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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Dave Inc. posted:

Tesla knows their customers aren't normal car buyers. They don't know luxury, they don't know quality, they just know that owning a Tesla makes them a tech god. If a customer base doesn't care about a thing why should the manufacturer?

I've seen some articles that say they've fixed some of their, eg, paint issues. I get the feeling this isn't so much a matter of not caring as it is the guy up top being incompetent and the organization being structured in a way that anyone trying to fix problems from the bottom is pissing in the wind. After all, it's not like they just elected not to spend an extra $5 on panel alignment goo; there are systemic problems with their entire process.

TotalLossBrain posted:

it's in their nature

Sometimes I wonder if there are, like, psychological journals out there with a typology of bad management, and studies into what makes them do dumb poo poo. Not enough to expend effort looking for them, but enough that I'd read them.

Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Jan 21, 2021

NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice

Applebees Appetizer posted:


Either way they hosed up, so own it. Don't try to intimidate the customer into bringing it back.

I can see Ford's corporate's reasoning, a showpiece in the showroom is useful to generate new Bronco orders to the factory.

But wouldn't you want them out and driving around, so the public can see them?

Also, incredibly dense that they're demanding they bring the display Bronco back, because if it were so crucial to their bottom line, could have bought it back & set them up with a free loaner for a while until their very own Bronco came in.

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

VideoGameVet posted:

Tasteful color coordination:



Poor Gritty, hunted for sport and turned into seat covers.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Do they have demo cars out for the "regular" Bronco at this point? We've been thinking of test-driving one, since my wife's car is, well, perfectly fine, but about a decade old and I wouldn't mind getting something more fun w/ 4wd capability.

On the one hand, pandemic, but on the other hand, probably means you don't have the drat salesman trying to ride along... I guess give me a box of disinfectant wipes and I'd give it a shot.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

Pham Nuwen posted:

On the one hand, pandemic, but on the other hand, probably means you don’t have the drat salesman trying to ride along... I guess give me a box of disinfectant wipes and I'd give it a shot.

This seems like wishful thinking

kimcicle
Feb 23, 2003

david_a posted:

This seems like wishful thinking

On my last test drive, the salesperson took my ID and said be back within 30 minutes.

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

kimcicle posted:

On my last test drive, the salesperson took my ID and said be back within 30 minutes.

Without a doubt the best way to treat a customer. A small used car lot I bought from did this too, I spent a few hours taking a few cars out and bought that day.

Carmax doesn't allow that. I had to make small talk with some goon who scraped one of the cars getting out of the lot.

No. 6
Jun 30, 2002

Lol

PeterWeller
Apr 21, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

david_a posted:

This seems like wishful thinking

That was my friends' experience when they were buying a new car.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
I present for your consideration two excellent tweets:

https://twitter.com/TURBO_VIRGIN_01/status/1352394061039214599

This one is a thread:
https://twitter.com/TURBO_VIRGIN_01/status/1348696898790686722

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

Pham Nuwen posted:

Do they have demo cars out for the "regular" Bronco at this point? We've been thinking of test-driving one, since my wife's car is, well, perfectly fine, but about a decade old and I wouldn't mind getting something more fun w/ 4wd capability.

On the one hand, pandemic, but on the other hand, probably means you don't have the drat salesman trying to ride along... I guess give me a box of disinfectant wipes and I'd give it a shot.

Demos will be in dealerships closer to May or June. But if you haven't reserved one yet the current estimate is the end of 2022 before all reservations are filled.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Can't wait to see what markup they toss on them.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


So smol.

https://twitter.com/handsameshin/status/1352494422844268544?s=20

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?

Pham Nuwen posted:

Do they have demo cars out for the "regular" Bronco at this point? We've been thinking of test-driving one, since my wife's car is, well, perfectly fine, but about a decade old and I wouldn't mind getting something more fun w/ 4wd capability.

On the one hand, pandemic, but on the other hand, probably means you don't have the drat salesman trying to ride along... I guess give me a box of disinfectant wipes and I'd give it a shot.

The "salespeople rides along" thing in the US and maybe parts of Europe seems damned annoying. I wouldn't even do the test drive. Thankfully, here in Sweden they just check our license and give us the keys. I ususally spend 5 minutes just in the lot checking all the functions anyway and don't want any dumb sales chatter.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


MrOnBicycle posted:

The "salespeople rides along" thing in the US and maybe parts of Europe seems damned annoying. I wouldn't even do the test drive. Thankfully, here in Sweden they just check our license and give us the keys. I ususally spend 5 minutes just in the lot checking all the functions anyway and don't want any dumb sales chatter.

I've had both here in Australia. When testing an86 the salesman was really excited about it and egging me on to drive it really fast and get on certain roads that were actually well suited to testing it. He was more excited than I was to be honest. Strangely its always been private selelrs keen on me going for a hoon without them. I coulda taken off with so many cars over the years.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
In my experience in the US, luxury car dealers are way more likely to let you take the car by yourself.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Not Wolverine posted:

Who remembers the reddit or GBS saga with a girl complaining that her boyfriend never wiped his butt because he thought it was gay? The only thing Google could find is apparently it's pretty common. Terrible people stuff ITT.

*Edit* well this was a crappy page snipe.

There was one dude who never used toilet seats and presumed they were only for women.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin


Garbage bin outside an Autozone on Los Angeles' first rainy day of the year.

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


Lol, far from unique. It happens even here in florida where it rains most of the year.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72mvm0tx_28

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
I can only assume the "rain" they're experiencing is a mild drizzle on and off for a few hours, and that a) the type of wiper blades you want are sold out everywhere and b) everyone on the roads has lost their loving minds.

tuna
Jul 17, 2003

I don't know why wiper blades being replaced is terrible exactly (The old blades were sitting in very harsh sun in an ultra hot climate for the past year or several so they do dry out and turn poo poo - replacing them is good?). But driving in LA during rain is very terrible. The first rain was actually back in December and we went to go get something from Ikea and saw about 6 crashed cars along the way, and many, many more reckless driving examples despite it all.

Memento posted:

I can only assume the "rain" they're experiencing is a mild drizzle on and off for a few hours.

No need to gatekeep rain lol, back in Dec they were proper, very low visibility thunderstorms and today it varied based on area but it rained constantly for hours and we had hail. I'm glad I wasn't on the road dodging LA drivers.

Gomi Day
Nov 15, 2007

Trust me, Bill. Large spectacles lend distinction to any countenance, as I have reason to know.
Plaster Town Cop

Memento posted:



Garbage bin outside an Autozone on Los Angeles' first rainy day of the year.

as someone who works at a carquest.
yeah... yeah. :smith:
most often just dumped on the ground in the parking lot, though.

PirateDentist
Mar 28, 2006

Sailing The Seven Seas Searching For Scurvy

tuna posted:

I don't know why wiper blades being replaced is terrible exactly (The old blades were sitting in very harsh sun in an ultra hot climate for the past year or several so they do dry out and turn poo poo - replacing them is good?). But driving in LA during rain is very terrible. The first rain was actually back in December and we went to go get something from Ikea and saw about 6 crashed cars along the way, and many, many more reckless driving examples despite it all.

The terrible is no one properly maintains their wipers until it rains. Then they didn't work at loving all and they're driving and go "Oh poo poo" and have to buy them because they can't see. I continually praise the glory of PIAA 'Super Silicone' blades that last YEARS in the Phoenix sun. Are they perfect with a light mist? Not after a few years, gotta give them a little squirt to help. But if a downpour happens, they work just fine. 6+ years on one set. Way better than the cheap sets that barely make it out of one summer. Worth the extra cost IMO, refill rubber is available too if you want to be more proactive.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
I've been putting a new set of Rain X or Bosch on whatever my primary vehicle is every winter for like 9 years.

tuna
Jul 17, 2003

PirateDentist posted:

The terrible is no one properly maintains their wipers until it rains.

Hey these are fully licensed car operators you're talking about here, I'm sure they know what they're doing!

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


Gomi Day posted:

as someone who works at a carquest.
yeah... yeah. :smith:
most often just dumped on the ground in the parking lot, though.

Lol, then someone isn't giving proper customer service by offering to install them. (Mostly so you can make sure they're actually thrown away):v:

I do not miss replacing wipers and batteries in the rain at O'Reilly's, gently caress that happy bullshit. Especially the "Uh, can we hurry this up I have to be at work in 5 minutes" ones right as we opened. No, gently caress you its loving literally raining sideways right now and you can't see to the other side of the loving parking lot its raining so hard.

The tops was still the dickhead who rocked up as a hurricane was passing along off shore close enough we had tropical storm force winds going on and expected me to send someone out to do a battery replacement in some rear end in a top hat of a car that would take an exorbitant amount of time. Its one of the few times I've ever has to use the "Its a free service, we can refuse it at our discretion." line on someone. Dude had the stones to ask if I thought autozone would do it before leaving. Dunno buddy, go ask them, see how few fucks they give.

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017

Glass polish + rainX or any other silicon dioxide coating > using the wipers

Also keeps your windscreen scratch free
Also makes cleaning super easy

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
"First rainy day" lol.

Combat Theory posted:

Glass polish + rainX or any other silicon dioxide coating > using the wipers

Also keeps your windscreen scratch free
Also makes cleaning super easy
Do you have any suggestions for polishing glass? I asked around it before in detailing shops and they look at me like I'm crazy. I just want my old glass to look smooth again.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

I don't think rain-X actually contains silicon dioxide. That would be very bad for your windshield.

You probably mean silicone.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
Yeah rubbing quartz sand on your windscreen doesn't sound advisable.

Rain-x' main ingredients are hydrophobic siloxane polymers.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I hand washed and polished my car this morning for first time in weeks. Needed it after the roadtrip. Then it promptly pissed down rain while I was out. Standard.

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017

Sagebrush posted:

I don't think rain-X actually contains silicon dioxide. That would be very bad for your windshield.

You probably mean silicone.

English is a mean language. We say "Silizium" for whatever Sand is made of and "Silikon" for whatever you seal your bathtub with.

The first one goes onto the windshield, the second one on your paint if you are a cheapskate.

Running through Google translate, yes it's Silicon dioxide. It's also the hottest new stuff in paint and trim sealant, LIKE CarPro Cquartz UK etc.

Silicone paint sealants have been a thing for a long time but they are generally cheap products you get at home improvement stores. Detailer avoid silicone on paint like the plague because it makes repainting a giant pain in the rear end. Paint shops will hate your guts if you show up with a car that has silicone based paint protection.

Also the silicon dioxide based products don't Contain solid, macroscopic silicon dioxide particles obviously. The reason they are so expensive, especially for paint protection, is the chemistry behind bonding the silicon dioxide to your paint or trim. It's much easier with glass hence why such coatings have been available as glass sealants for much longer.

Combat Theory fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jan 24, 2021

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017

mobby_6kl posted:

"First rainy day" lol.

Do you have any suggestions for polishing glass? I asked around it before in detailing shops and they look at me like I'm crazy. I just want my old glass to look smooth again.

Glas is polished with cer-oxide. The white 3m glass polish is what I use but you can mix it yourself from cer powder and water if you are in for a giant mess.



You can use it with an old foam pad and a rotary polisher. Polish until every bit of residue is completely gone. You can't scratch the glass by dry polishing with the foam pad but the residue is almost impossible to remove by hand and will result in a completely lovely sealant application.


Don't think you'll be removing scratches with a polish though, it's really more about getting rid of contaminants before you apply a SiO2 sealant.

You can remove scratches by sanding the glass and then polishing it, but the process is extremely work intensive and it's less of a hassle to just get a new windshield, protect it from the beginning and just avoid using the wipers. Also makes your sealant last forever.

Apply the sealant with a throwaway lint free wipe. Wipe until the entire sealant is evaporated. Do not stop while there are still streaks. Wipe half a windscreen with a few drops for at least a minute or 2. If you think you are wiping dry, do another minute. Do not leave any residue. It will also be impossible to buff out and it will leave weird water streaks in the beading. You do not have to buff the windscreen afterwards. Just make sure you absolutely work the sealant until fully evaporated.

I use the old würth window sealant that comes in a 250 ml or so bottle. The Koch chemie stuff is essentially the same. Never used rainX but it'll likely be similar.

For the wipes I use würth tex-rein



Don't bother with the pre cleaner that you get with the sealant. It's just a cer oxide polish too. Don't bother with hand polishing. Use the rotary with a pad, wipe with dry throwaway wipe to remove any dust, apply the sealant with a fresh wipe and leave be for a day or 2.

Combat Theory fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jan 24, 2021

Saukkis
May 16, 2003

Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.

Memento posted:

Garbage bin outside an Autozone on Los Angeles' first rainy day of the year.

All the parts store trash bins should be designed with the wiper packages in mind.

My car uses three different types of blades, but luckily they are all close enough that I can just use the driver side blades. So I buy a single new blade few times a year for the driver side, then recycle the old blade to passenger side and back window.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Elmnt80 posted:

The tops was still the dickhead who rocked up as a hurricane was passing along off shore close enough we had tropical storm force winds going on and expected me to send someone out to do a battery replacement in some rear end in a top hat of a car that would take an exorbitant amount of time. Its one of the few times I've ever has to use the "Its a free service, we can refuse it at our discretion." line on someone. Dude had the stones to ask if I thought autozone would do it before leaving. Dunno buddy, go ask them, see how few fucks they give.

When I was a security guard I got to tell people no all the time, and if they had a problem with it I told them to leave the property, and if they refused to leave I had the cops come physically remove them and have them trespassed. It was fun putting assholes in their place, especially when you can tell they weren't used to being told no and made all the people around them visibly miserable.

Combat Theory posted:

Silicone paint sealants have been a thing for a long time but they are generally cheap products you get at home improvement stores. Detailer avoid silicone on paint like the plague because it makes repainting a giant pain in the rear end. Paint shops will hate your guts if you show up with a car that has silicone based paint protection.

Who cares what the paint shops think tho, I'm not getting my car re painted so silicone based it is because it's ten times easier to apply than carnauba wax and lasts a lot longer. :shrug:

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017

You should try out Soft99 Fusso Coat for long lasting, easy to use PTFE based paint protection. It requires minimal preparation and is pleasant to apply and remove. Also inexpensive compared to a more exquisit carnauba wax.

There's also finish kare 1000p but that really should go in 2 layers with 20 min cure times.

Combat Theory fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jan 24, 2021

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Combat Theory posted:

You should try out Soft99 Fusso Coat for long lasting, easy to use PTFE based paint protection. It requires minimal preparation and is pleasant to apply and remove. Also inexpensive compared to a more exquisit carnauba wax.

Very interesting, thanks for that. However, I don't see anything mentioning that it offers UV protection and that's pretty important here in Florida.

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Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017

UV protection in LSPs is a gimmick. The layer of cured wax or non quartz based sealants is so thin it offers no significant UV protection on its own, even if you pump it full of titanium particles (which you can't for optical reasons) or UV absorbers (which you can't for longevity reasons) . It's much more important that the LSP itself is UV stable which is a given with every quality product available.

Your clear coat is UV stabilized. The main goal of LSPs is to protect the clear coat from chemical and to an extend mechanical damage in order to sustain its UV protective properties.

Here's Mike Phillips big post on it

https://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?4340-17-Do-car-waxes-provide-real-UV-protection

Combat Theory fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jan 24, 2021

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