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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Somaen posted:

he admits that the current order lets putin and his cronies loot the country and uses the anti-corruption theme as a major point of his campaigns

the oligarchs and cronies currently stealing from the country can't be removed since there are no elections in the country, this is why there is no alternative, the existing communist party is a puppet

the guy wants russia to have free elections, during those leftists and social-democrats can be elected and actually implement policies that would be socialist or progressive instead of everything going to putin's billionaire friends

they must love you cause you’re dumb enough to believe em

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THS
Sep 15, 2017

Somaen posted:

the guy wants russia to have free elections, during those leftists and social-democrats can be elected and actually implement policies that would be socialist or progressive instead of everything going to putin's billionaire friends

i genuinely hope that's what happens. something about a cursory glance at the last 100 years of political economy tells me that won't be what happens

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Somaen posted:

he admits that the current order lets putin and his cronies loot the country and uses the anti-corruption theme as a major point of his campaigns

the oligarchs and cronies currently stealing from the country can't be removed since there are no elections in the country, this is why there is no alternative, the existing communist party is a puppet

the guy wants russia to have free elections, during those leftists and social-democrats can be elected and actually implement policies that would be socialist or progressive instead of everything going to putin's billionaire friends

So you are going to trust a guy who openly wants to loot the country to support elections to would allow people to come in and stop him from looting the country? what?

I mean things are bad but come on man.

If you want what I think the alternative is: organize an actual independent leftist movement to radicalize KPRF supporters and those sympatric to left-wing policy. The government would be as hostile to that movement as any other that challenges its legitimacy but everything is about leverage.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:36 on Jan 23, 2021

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
the guy who wants to privatize and deregulate everything actually just wants to give the communists a fair chance at nationalizing and regulating everything. honest

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin
you can ahnd-wave away stuff in the "everything gets ruined by capitalism and liberalism" sense but lol pretending like Navalny is a scheming evil little gnome hell-bent on destroying russia and wishing for people begging in the streets is some galaxy-brained disingenious poo poo and putin shilling

the guy is a twerpy nationalist democrat that loves his country and wants it to be strong and successful, and constantly points out the travesty of mismanagement of previously successful areas of the russian economy like the space industry or the military or science, which have been ruined by corrupt oligarchs which are directed friends of putin, who is a right-wing capitalist and liberal bringing austerity and capitalism to russians and the ownership of the state gas and oil industries to his friends

the 2 ways to change this are 1) unite in a broad pro-democratic coalition for incremental changes 2) wait for Lenin to come back to life to bring back communism

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Somaen posted:

you can ahnd-wave away stuff in the "everything gets ruined by capitalism and liberalism" sense but lol pretending like Navalny is a scheming evil little gnome hell-bent on destroying russia and wishing for people begging in the streets is some galaxy-brained disingenious poo poo and putin shilling

nobody is pretending. it’s his explicitly stated, documented policy. you just happen to be a rube who buys it

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Somaen posted:

you can ahnd-wave away stuff in the "everything gets ruined by capitalism and liberalism" sense but lol pretending like Navalny is a scheming evil little gnome hell-bent on destroying russia and wishing for people begging in the streets is some galaxy-brained disingenious poo poo and putin shilling

the guy is a twerpy nationalist democrat that loves his country and wants it to be strong and successful, and constantly points out the travesty of mismanagement of previously successful areas of the russian economy like the space industry or the military or science, which have been ruined by corrupt oligarchs which are directed friends of putin, who is a right-wing capitalist and liberal bringing austerity and capitalism to russians and the ownership of the state gas and oil industries to his friends

the 2 ways to change this are 1) unite in a broad pro-democratic coalition for incremental changes 2) wait for Lenin to come back to life to bring back communism

there is no combination of words or historical context that can knock your mind out of this line of thought. i genuinely hope that putin is overthrown and replaced with popular leadership to bring Russia into a better future and on better, equitable terms with their neighbors. i think that ignoring everything else except the stated aims of the opposition and sort of just closing your eyes and jumping into a pit of coals is foolish. if you have to believe this, so be it

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

THS posted:

there is no combination of words or historical context that can knock your mind out of this line of thought. i genuinely hope that putin is overthrown and replaced with popular leadership to bring Russia into a better future and on better, equitable terms with their neighbors. i think that ignoring everything else except the stated aims of the opposition and sort of just closing your eyes and jumping into a pit of coals is foolish. if you have to believe this, so be it

i follow the russian oppositional figures on twitter and they are genuine, organic human beings that discuss and debate policies and ideas with their followers. recently (before the poisoning) i remember navalny was attacked by feminists and he debated them and reconsidered his positions and conceded that he was wrong

this is in stark contrast to the current rulers of russia, who are a cabal of the new-rich and secret service academy graduates that are pretending to be super religious and other lies

the one single change towards freedom for political discussion and debate instead of fear of being imprisoned or silenced would change a lot since currently leftists are being silenced, when covid broke out a doctor's union tried to make the problems known and published in the media, the government tried to silence it while the opposition tried to help

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

THS posted:

the united states imprisons more people per capita than anyone in the world and regularly murders or ruins domestic political opposition. you loving moron

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

runaway pancake
Dec 13, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Gravy Boat 2k
if you don't vote for biden you're supporting trump

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

void_serfer posted:

France totally didn't get their wealth from imperialism and colonial power. That'd just be ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/FRANCE24/status/1351878533165957125?s=19

Just lol at Somaen trying to make a case that "The West" isn't all as bad as the US and then using loving France as the case study.

gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 00:08 on Jan 24, 2021

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Somaen you've probably already explained this, but if you could again, where are you from? you said you're from a nation in eastern europe, and it'd be dumb to not get your honest take on what's happening.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

listening to the latest trueanon where norm finkelstein talked about being a maoist in the 60s and there being US revolutionary movements influenced heavily by the USSR/China, it's interesting to see how the pro-China views of the contemporary left are limited to hoping China pushes in the US's poo poo. the Twitter slapfights about China feel like an aesthetic

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Somaen posted:

you are a loving american mouthbreather ignorant about the world i see

"the west" also includes europe and other civilized countries, which are closer and more influential to eastern europe, hth

You are the definition of a.colonized mind. A spineless, sniveling moron who believes that the west = civilized while everything created locally was inferior.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Communist ideology is constantly associated with bad/evil foreign countries. That rhetoric will always be used to suppress leftist movements.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

France owns because they're the bellweather to determine whether a foreign policy move is bad. If they do it, it's bad. They're worse than the US, and yes, that's possible.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
https://twitter.com/officialrus1/status/1353074225569910789?s=19

https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1353027879584587776?s=19

Russian protest seem to be more hardcore than Belarus protest.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/1353045815615393799

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Somaen posted:

i follow the russian oppositional figures on twitter

absolutely brutal self own

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Alexei Navalny appears to be increasingly popular. Witness the fact that tens of thousands of people turned out at these protests, more than 2,000 of them arrested in dozens of Russian cities right across the expanse of the country.



When Navalny arrived from Germany a little over a week ago, his team released a video in which he alleged that President Putin has a palace that is valued at a billion dollars that was built on bribes. Now, the Kremlin has denied this allegation, but this video has been watched by more than 71 million people. That suggests that Mr. Navalny is getting increasingly popular.



I profiled him twice first in 2011 when he was basically an activist investor investigating corruption in-state companies and then again in 2017, when he was trying to run for president, he was actually barred from being on the ballot then. And 2011, he was almost unknown. In 2017, popular, but mostly among the youth and that appears to be changing.



Now, where does this go? Well, Mr. Navalny is well known, but perhaps not universally loved. And in fact, one pollster says his approval rating is around 15 to 17 percent. Nevertheless,

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



is navalny some 90s shock therapy guy who was frozen in an iceberg for 20 years

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Somaen posted:

navalny, the anti-corruption guy,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtVJdPfm0F8

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Shear Modulus posted:

is navalny some 90s shock therapy guy who was frozen in an iceberg for 20 years

I forget when the last opposition guy was murdered, but basically Navalny has been the dude that the West has favored for a number of years now, and he's also been on the receiving-end of attacks allegedly by the Putin government to try and silence him.

I mean yeah he's a shock therapy guy but anyone who's been paying any attention at all to Russia for the last half-decade at least knows Navalny has been in the news for a while.

If the media is trying to make more of a big deal out of him right now that probably has to do with the change in leadership in the White House.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019
what boggles me more is how ineffective the "novichok" poison seems

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Mar 23, 2021

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
gonna wait and see if they do anything beyond symbolic stuff, like easing up on the trade war and huawei

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



what ol blinkie needs to do is make graphics cards less goddamn expensive

Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 07:43 on Jan 24, 2021

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Shear Modulus posted:

what ol blinken needs to do is make graphics cards less goddamn expensive

Make AMD/Ampere Great Again

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Vasukhani posted:

what boggles me more is how ineffective the "novichok" poison seems

It doesn't matter who poisoned him. Navalny could have stage it himself. The beauty is Putin can't use KGB stuff on him anymore. Putin would have to find a legal way to keep him off the ballot, and it's going to cost Putin political capital.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Somaen posted:

i follow the russian oppositional figures on twitter and they are genuine, organic human beings that discuss and debate policies and ideas with their followers. recently (before the poisoning) i remember navalny was attacked by feminists and he debated them and reconsidered his positions and conceded that he was wrong

lmao of course he conceded he was wrong, it costs him nothing! look around you, idiot - raytheon, northrop grumman, and numerous other psycho companies celebrate black history month and gay pride, does that make them any less rapacious and capitalist? no! they just get to parade diversity as a point in their favor!
he's doing the same thing capitalists do all the time, bending on idpol to mask the shitshow he'll make of people's lives.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

have u considered navalny supports gay marriage unlike the type uncultured slav

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i still find it surreal seeing videos from china where cops and SWAT team members storm a shopping mall food court with guns and then arrange themselves in neat little rows and begin singing.

they've also got that new flag. mod team assemble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFhRrCPYdI

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

https://twitter.com/yanzhonghuang/status/1353391231951384576?s=21

Now it may seem like containing COVID-19 is good, but consider this: what if it’s bad?

DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.

Chomskyan posted:

https://twitter.com/yanzhonghuang/status/1353391231951384576?s=21

Now it may seem like containing COVID-19 is good, but consider this: what if it’s bad?

The Falun Gong people are funny because there was a period where they wrote how the virus is not bad in the US and then went fullspeed ahead into screaming ‘CCP Virus’ once Trump hosed up.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

sincx posted:

I think this guy from Bloomberg has the right read on this:

https://twitter.com/hancocktom/status/1353185336080228352

Despite the bellicose headline, I think the text of the press release is actually a significant de-escalation. Explicit statement that the "United States maintains its longstanding commitments as outlined in the Three Communiqués" i.e. diplomatic recognition of Taiwan is not on the table. The statement was also careful in other ways, e.g. referring to "Taiwan’s democratically elected representatives" instead of "the Taiwanese government."

I think for the sake of all of us on this hellhole planet, it would be nice if the PRC recognized this for the olive branch that it is, and reciprocated.

lol if Biden really does want to do a reset with China to focus on regime change in Russia.

Hedenius
Aug 23, 2007
https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1353416040273776642?s=21

When you’re not a dying empire.

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i still find it surreal seeing videos from china where cops and SWAT team members storm a shopping mall food court with guns and then arrange themselves in neat little rows and begin singing.

they've also got that new flag. mod team assemble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFhRrCPYdI

ACAB bro

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

stephenthinkpad posted:

The beauty is Putin can't use KGB stuff on him anymore.

why not

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


Skills on cooldown, those are the rules.

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