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I mean you're right that big companies won't care, but it amuses me that you think "create a dummy linkedin account, be petty enough to use it" is somehow out of reach of your average 200-employee tinpot dictatorship
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Achmed Jones posted:I mean you're right that big companies won't care, but it amuses me that you think "create a dummy linkedin account, be petty enough to use it" is somehow out of reach of your average 200-employee tinpot dictatorship I believe you'd need to pay for the recruiter platform as well. It's not the highest bar, but I don't think a lot of people are going to jump through it. Also I assume a lot of people leave that setting on by default.
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asur posted:I believe you'd need to pay for the recruiter platform as well. It's not the highest bar, but I don't think a lot of people are going to jump through it. Also I assume a lot of people leave that setting on by default. Have you never met a small-medium business owner?
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Is it normal to ace a first interview, establish a great rapport with the hiring manager, and then get rejected before the second interview stage? This has happened to me more than a few times now. I've been working professionally for about 6 years and am desperate to get out of my current situation.
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Jan 14, 2021 23:43
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graveportents posted:Is it normal to ace a first interview, establish a great rapport with the hiring manager, and then get rejected before the second interview stage? This has happened to me more than a few times now. I've been working professionally for about 6 years and am desperate to get out of my current situation. Yeah, tons of times. Work sucks. And the only thing that dwarfs it is looking for work. The worst experience of all.
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graveportents posted:Is it normal to ace a first interview, establish a great rapport with the hiring manager, and then get rejected before the second interview stage? This has happened to me more than a few times now. I've been working professionally for about 6 years and am desperate to get out of my current situation. I can't even count the number of times I was just absolutely sure I was going to get a job even in super late stages and been unceremoniously rejected. It happens for a lot of reasons -- can't let it get to you.
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Jan 15, 2021 01:16
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a lot of time that means they went with the internal hire or a really strong vouch. sometimes that person really is the better hire (proven to work well with the team so lower risk, a lot of times internal people will already know the domain and stack so ceteris paribus...), sometimes it's nepotism, and you can't do anything about it either way
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Jan 15, 2021 02:16
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Just happened to me, twice in a row. The third company gave me an offer that is not even matching my current situation (looks like they don't have a clue about the local market conditions). So, yeah. Interviewing sucks.
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Jan 15, 2021 12:11
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I've gotten rejected after getting and agreeing to a verbal offer. Also gotten extremely positive feedback then told an internal transfer took the spot. Job hunting is the worst. Best to do it when you don't need to.
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Jan 15, 2021 12:19
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I’m dreading finding a new place if I ever move on from my current place. I hate job hunting. That’s partly why I save up so much.
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Jan 15, 2021 16:33
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100% of the interviews I felt great about resulted in rejection, and 100% of the jobs I've been accepted for involved at least one interview I did not have any confidence in. On the micro level the whiplash sucks rear end, but it has helped me deal with the rejections.
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Jan 15, 2021 20:08
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Pollyanna posted:I’m dreading finding a new place if I ever move on from my current place. I hate job hunting. That’s partly why I save up so much. I've saved up enough money that I don't think I would ever job search while working again, unless I had kids but no plans for that now. The mental toll it takes on top of working at a job in a field with the propensity to get stressful in itself isn't worth it to me personally. Of course this might be a drastically different tune when I find a job that isn't unnecessarily demanding and lovely!
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Pollyanna posted:I’m dreading finding a new place if I ever move on from my current place. I hate job hunting. That’s partly why I save up so much. That's one of the reasons why this year will be my 10 year anniversary with my current employer. And why I've only changed jobs 3 times in ~17 years.
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Jan 16, 2021 00:06
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its sales no more no less if you go and learn how to do sales its straightforward w a couple of stupid hoops but then you went and learned how to do sales, which most programmers would rather eat their own livers
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Jan 16, 2021 01:17
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For hiring, my company operates under the assumption that the top candidate for a position is not a sure bet (they might take a job elsewhere or reject our offer) and will keep other candidates in the pipeline right up until the first pick is officially hired. That’s not to say we are teasing offers to multiple candidates at once because that’s monstrous - only one candidate at a time gets talked to about an offer. This sometimes results in having to reject far-along excellent candidates, but we try really hard to not lead them on/offer false hope or give any indication of a decision before we actually make a decision. On the flip side, we once had an applicant who revealed in the first five minutes of the technical interview that he was waaay out of his depth. My colleague and I made the snap decision to complete the interview because it seemed less soul crushing than wrapping up and thanking him for his time ten minutes into an hourlong thing. Still not sure if it was the right move, but I personally find the idea of having an interview cut short (which is a strong and obvious signal that you suck) far more devastating than going through the whole thing like everyone else and receiving a normal rejection over the phone later. As for bad job hunt stories, I got straight up ghosted one time. I’d landed an interview for a local web dev contract gig and the guy seemed super excited about my portfolio and experience, but then the day of the interview he called and said he was sick and would have to reschedule and then never called back. It was just a crappy one-off gig but it still stung. I hope I can avoid the job hunt and interview process for as long as possible. I’m really bad at it, and being an imposter syndrome haver, feel that I wouldn’t have been able to land my current job if I’d gone through the standard interview process (I was poached from my previous job).
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Jan 16, 2021 01:27
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Queen Victorian posted:On the flip side, we once had an applicant who revealed in the first five minutes of the technical interview that he was waaay out of his depth. My colleague and I made the snap decision to complete the interview because it seemed less soul crushing than wrapping up and thanking him for his time ten minutes into an hourlong thing. Still not sure if it was the right move, but I personally find the idea of having an interview cut short (which is a strong and obvious signal that you suck) far more devastating than going through the whole thing like everyone else and receiving a normal rejection over the phone later. I don't think there is a right answer there. Personally, I would much rather be immediately walked out. I've planned the time off from work already so if you tell me it's not going to work then I get an hour or two of surprise vacation and that's a nice bonus. Plus, I might be able to learn something about what I did wrong. Like, was it the coding interview that burned me? Was it the behavioral interview? And usually if I blow an interview I know (I think I know) that I've blown it so if you keep the interview going I'm just lowering my opinion of you because apparently you don't reject bad candidates. But I explained this to some coworkers and they were adamant that they'd want to get a two hour faux interview and that they'd be really upset at getting shown out early. 
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Jan 23, 2021 02:23
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Mniot posted:I don't think there is a right answer there. See, I’m the type of person who’d take those couple hours of surprise vacation and be consumed to the point of a nervous breakdown trying to figure out what it was I said or did that triggered them to pull out early and that maybe I really am an imposter who sucks and don’t deserve to be the field or maybe I unknowingly said something that gravely offended them or or or... so yeah, I’d rather just finish the interview. In our case, the technical interview is the next stop after the initial phone screen, so we’ve not sunk much time into candidates at this point. And it’s set up in two general parts (analyze a thing we provide and then answer some questions about it) so we can abort the followup questions if performance on the first part is not satisfactory and not give away that we’re cutting you off. If a rejected candidate comes to us and asks for feedback, we will provide it. Vast majority of the time the answer is simply lack of relevant experience/domain knowledge. The guy in my story didn’t ask, but if he had I’d have told him it was lack of relevant experience (the truth), and also hint at working on being confident (he was so nervous it was off-putting).
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Jan 23, 2021 19:23
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Anyone done the work to get FedRAMP certification? We have a reasonably large SaaS platform and my product's leadership has been tasked to figure out what it'll take to implement the required controls within the product. My back of the napkin was 9-10 new hires if we want to keep up the current velocity of feature work with an aggressive timeline for FedRAMP prep but I have no idea if that's accurate at all.
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Jan 23, 2021 19:44
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Stopping the interview process midday is going to play badly with most people. It's essentially saying you failed so drastically that someone is able to make the on the spot decision to stop the process. Very few people are going to take that well and there is some value in conducting the remaining interviews to let the person practice. Companies should have an interest in making the candidate feel like the process was worthwhile even if they don't get hired. Another thing that I think a lot of interviewers fail at is switching to helping the interviewee if they've already determined that they won't pass the interview. There's no point in letting the person struggle for the remaining time and not learn anything.
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The only time I can conceive of ending an interview early is if the interviewee demonstrates racist, sexist, etc. behavior. Something where not only is it clear we're not going to hire you, but also you're sufficiently toxic that I see no reason why any more of our employees should have to be exposed to you. For everyone else, my philosophy has been to try to make their interview feel challenging but rewarding. No matter what I want them to leave thinking they were able to give it their best shot. To some extent this is because I don't like making people upset, but I also don't want word getting spread around that my company treats prospective hires badly.
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Jan 23, 2021 22:24
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Ideally candidates leave with an impression that you'd be a good place to work. A bad fit may end up having a friend that you'd like to hire. Even if they don't, the world is surprisingly small and bad experiences are hard to forget. I'd be a wreck if I had an interview ended early on me. I'd probably worry that I'd inadvertently said or done something really offensive.
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Jan 23, 2021 22:52
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One time a place, that was honestly pretty toxic and terrible, canceled my final 30 minutes of the day which was supposed to be CTO meeting, but I didn't care because the lunch they provided me wasn't discussed beforehand. All the sandwiches had Mayo which is a disgusting thing, so I was happy to get the gently caress out and get some real food.
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Jan 24, 2021 00:46
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if you had an allergy or were vegetarian that'd be one thing but being mad because you don't like mayo is the funniest thing i've read in a while
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Achmed Jones posted:if you had an allergy or were vegetarian that'd be one thing but being mad because you don't like mayo is the funniest thing i've read in a while The sight and smell of mayo makes me physically ill. I had to gag that sucker down, but at least they gave me a Mountain Dew. In all seriousness it's insanely rude to not ask your candidate about their lunch preferences in my opinion. It was a popular sandwich place, I could have just as easily picked my own thing from the menu!
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Jan 24, 2021 08:07
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that wouldve gone like 50x worse if you ate veg kosher halal or whatever then
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Jan 24, 2021 08:27
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What kind of place doesn't either have options because its a cafeteria/catering for everyone or takes interviewers out to a restaurant where you can make your own choice? If they treat prospective candidates like that I can't imagine how they treat employees.
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I tried to cancel an interview shortly after it started because I was fumbling so badly. It was a live coding exercise with a couple of engineers, using one of those online coding tools. My laptop wasn't able to cope with that and zoom at the same time, so my anxiety kicked in. They didn't let me stop, and we powered through. After doing a one more round a week later they sent me an offer. I had to pass because it would have been a significant pay cut, but also because I wouldn't have hired myself if I was on the other end.
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Jan 24, 2021 09:36
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i didnt even kick the dude who called me a chink while i was interviewing him out, altho i shouldve lol
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Jan 24, 2021 09:39
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Mayo is gross and so is aoli and all of those weird hipster variants of mayo Mayo seems to exist to fill the flavor vacuum in regions where people think tabasco sauce and/or pickled jalapenos are way too spicy
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Hadlock posted:Mayo is gross and so is aoli and all of those weird hipster variants of mayo 
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Hadlock posted:Mayo is gross and so is aoli and all of those weird hipster variants of mayo
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:The only time I can conceive of ending an interview early is if the interviewee demonstrates racist, sexist, etc. behavior. Something where not only is it clear we're not going to hire you, but also you're sufficiently toxic that I see no reason why any more of our employees should have to be exposed to you. Drawing this back to lunchchat, one bummer about the remote interview loops we’re all doing now is that the lunch was usually when I’d see a candidate show their rear end like this and you knew you dodged a bullet not hiring them. People are focused during the actual interviews, it’s lunchtime when they loosen up a bit and the toxicity is more apparent. And on awful interview lunches, I had a FAANG interview where they allotted 30 minutes for the lunch, 20 were spent waiting in line, and when I was shown where to sit it was with a table of other candidates. “So, how do you like interviewing here” wasn’t really my idea of interview lunch chat, as if I had time to talk in between choking down my food.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i didnt even kick the dude who called me a chink while i was interviewing him out, altho i shouldve lol There's no excusing it, but I'm curious what the story is there. I've heard some crazy anti-Semitic things on the job from people who A) didn't know I'm Jewish and B) are from cultures where Jews are considered to be nearly mythical horned, baby-eating goblins. I haven't had it come up during an interview (yet...) but I don't think I'd immediately end the interview. However, I'd definitely be a strong "no hire" and it would be a "why yes, this IS the hill I want to die on" style fight if anyone pushed back. Of course, if anyone pushed back on "I don't think we should hire this guy because he literally thinks I'm a baby-eating goblin", I'd probably be heading for the exit pretty quickly myself.
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Stop hating on mayo. Just ignore it and let the rest of us live. Exhibit 1: the "french salad" https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Francuska+salata&oq=Francuska+salata&aqs=mobile-gws-lite..0l5
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i didnt even kick the dude who called me a chink while i was interviewing him out, altho i shouldve lol This is the one of the few exceptions. If someone is obviously racists, sexist, etc I would have no issue immediately ending the interview and they'd probably be escorted out shortly after. There's no place for that in the workplace. Same with being anti-Semetic or any other variant as I missed that reply.
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:There's no excusing it, but I'm curious what the story is there. i asked him a bog standard interview not-too-hard not-too-easy question and he lost his cool real bad in the middle of flunking it, which was already a "whatever we wont hire you" but whatevs, it's happened more than once, interviewing is stochastic and terrible it was the starting to curse me out and the slur in the middle of cursing me out that caused it to stick in my memory forever and ever and ever
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Interview lunch chat reminds me of a story a good friend of mine told me about a guy who, on the way out of the restaurant at lunch, used the soda fountain's tap water to wash his hands. Everyone was just kind of too dumbfounded to really mention it or do anything with it at the time. They ended up hiring him anyway, got to love software devs
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I was on a panel interviewing a candidate who referred to himself, his code, a thing he said and then himself again as “retarded” in the span of 45 minutes. I thought about ending it but I was the last round and let it ride. I was surprised at first and thought I may have misheard him the first time, but subsequent uses confirmed it. The hiring manager ended our post interview round table and said “no way” after I shared this in addition to the rest of his performance. I did think about what I would do if I was the first round and if it wouldn’t be better to end it immediately and share why. Hopefully this isn’t an issue again and it remains hypothetical
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Guinness posted:They ended up hiring him anyway, got to love software devs What drove me insane at an old job (and one of the many reasons why I bailed) were the times the majority of the team said "no hire" and yet they'd get offers anyway. We had a good year or eighteen months where it was basically like a revolving door. We'd interview someone, they'd get hired despite the team consensus being the opposite, then they'd get canned for reasons that were plain as day during the interview. Lather, rinse, repeat. Meanwhile good people who'd been around for a while would quit out of frustration, creating more open headcount to fill with toxic jerks they'd probably fire later.
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gay_crimes posted:I was on a panel interviewing a candidate who referred to himself, his code, a thing he said and then himself again as “retarded” in the span of 45 minutes. I thought about ending it but I was the last round and let it ride. I was surprised at first and thought I may have misheard him the first time, but subsequent uses confirmed it. The hiring manager ended our post interview round table and said “no way” after I shared this in addition to the rest of his performance. I did think about what I would do if I was the first round and if it wouldn’t be better to end it immediately and share why. Hopefully this isn’t an issue again and it remains hypothetical It's always easier in retrospect, but I would have wanted to correct the person in the interview, to let them know we don't accept that kind of language on our team. If they wanted to continue the interview, I would. But man, it's amazing the kind of stupid poo poo that people get away with during an interview where you're supposed to be on your "best" behavior.
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